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Creators of Pentiment and Dragon Age criticize Neil Druckmann's recent comments on AI
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
For better or worse, nothing is stopping the AI train and the automation of everything.
Icymanipulator
Member
People scared of technology is sad. AI as a tool for game creation has nearly limitless potential.
No need for a staff of hundreds if 25 people + an AI can do the same job. Allowing smaller teams to compete with the big companies is a good thing.
Now let’s see if those potential savings find its way to the consumer. That should be a real worry. Either through cheaper games, or more quality choices of games, maybe a bit of both.
No need for a staff of hundreds if 25 people + an AI can do the same job. Allowing smaller teams to compete with the big companies is a good thing.
Now let’s see if those potential savings find its way to the consumer. That should be a real worry. Either through cheaper games, or more quality choices of games, maybe a bit of both.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
That is exactly what that is. Posted on the Sony Group website, not ps.blog, and on the same day that their "our vision" or whatever presentation was for the entire company.
Bring Back Scalebound
Banned
I didn't think Neil could get more hackable...
And it's weird coming from him, because you would think one of the most artsy fartsy people in the industry would understand the severe damage that AI can/will have on art, human expression and intent.
But... He is a hack.
Being an artist, and being artsy fartsy are two different things...
And it's weird coming from him, because you would think one of the most artsy fartsy people in the industry would understand the severe damage that AI can/will have on art, human expression and intent.
But... He is a hack.
Being an artist, and being artsy fartsy are two different things...
Cyberpunkd
Gold Member
It is right now, majority of which is thrash.
Portugeezer
Member
It sucks for people in the industry whos jobs will be affected, but it's the truth.
www.gamesradar.com
It's Sony stance, so he needs to go along with it. All the big companies want to make game development cheaper.
Sony CEO says although AI "has been used for creation," it's "not a substitute for human creativity"
Sony's CEO is the latest to speak on AI implementation in games
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Negotiator101
Member
Kokoloko85
Member
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Druckman's comments were addressing the impact of AI on wider game development.
These guys chose to interpret it as solely concerning writers.
That's a bizarre strawman.
These guys chose to interpret it as solely concerning writers.
That's a bizarre strawman.
IlGialloMondadori
Member
I have yet to see AI content that is actually good. We had an exponential growth of AI, but I’m not convinced further development will be exponential.
Its writing is bad, the art is bad, the code is bad.
So far it’s been mostly hype and bullshit grifters, and that’ll continue for a while until we know if this is the real deal.
Its writing is bad, the art is bad, the code is bad.
So far it’s been mostly hype and bullshit grifters, and that’ll continue for a while until we know if this is the real deal.
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Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
AI is great as long as you're far enough up the ladder that it's only going to come for people behind you's job.
Until it does.
Until it does.
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Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I suspect that for a while it'll be a bit shonky and people will curate it's output:
"make me 50 versions of someone saying in the style of a us infantry in battle in a war film similar to Saving Private Ryan, Dunkirk"
Great shot
Close one
You can make it"
Then you'll go through the list and delete the ones you don't like, put it through the voice synthesiser to create the audio (five versions of each line, delete the ones that are no good) and boom, low level writing task done and no need to hire a voice artist.
Those big name voice artists that play big characters will be fine, because they'll get hired based on their social media following, ability to make headlines, skill at self promotion and the keenness of news outlets being willing to interview them. Same with the writers, the people that are known for their work already will be headline names, just like the voice artists.
I think we're a way off the AI not getting checked or not having human input and or critique and filtering of the work, but as time goes by, it'll be able to do more and more unsupervised.
samoilaaa
Member
to create game assets , nature , buildings , filler objects etc. AI can definetly be very useful but when it comes to writting i dont think so
To create a good story it needs to be written by someone with feelings that has been through many things , that can think how his words might make the player feel
AI will create the same story but it will feel like it was written by a child , i dont think that it can simulate feelings/emphaty
To create a good story it needs to be written by someone with feelings that has been through many things , that can think how his words might make the player feel
AI will create the same story but it will feel like it was written by a child , i dont think that it can simulate feelings/emphaty
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
Pentiment has better (and more interesting) writing than most AAA games made in the last several years.
It must also have required research beyond watching a few zombie flicks and shows.
It must also have required research beyond watching a few zombie flicks and shows.
SirTerry-T
Member
Much like press photographers at red carpet events....no one gives a shit, Neil.
GHG
Gold Member
It has it's uses, but current AI systems are only trained on content that humans have already created. They aren't able to be inventive in the same way that the best human minds can be.
"AI" (as we call it today) only has the means to be derivative.
Jack Videogames
Member
Waiting for the first game where you get conversations like
"Did you see a mudcrab around here? I need to kill 10 of them"
"I'm sorry, but as an AI language model, I cannot help you harm animals..."
"Did you see a mudcrab around here? I need to kill 10 of them"
"I'm sorry, but as an AI language model, I cannot help you harm animals..."
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
I wish more devs would speak out against that overrated cuck
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
These guys, particularly Sawyer, aren't nobody's; they're exactly the type of industry "auteurs" that would've like their careers to reach the heights of where Druckmann's at. I think they've taken the seething hatred for him online as a pass to publicize their bitterness towards him. Indirectly, of course.
Tomeru
Member
And what would that achieve? The man is littered with receipts, snd those are known to filter out useless noise.
TehGoomba7s
Member
Druckmann has created more legendary games than both combined, so no.
DanielG165
Member
The fact that you called two of the best video game creators, “hacks”, says enough about your viewpoints.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
Yes im sure all his LOU remake trophies are quite heavy
Tomeru
Member
Deep wounds huh
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
An autistic paramecium could do that.
Kokoloko85
Member
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
Hes done nothing this gen but remakes. Not for me, you apparently have a thing for Neil. Maybe reach out to ND and see if he needs someone to fluff him in between remakes
Tomeru
Member
That a long winded way to say yes
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
That a long winded way to say yes
Quit being a passive aggressive prick. Its ok for people to criticize him and his non existent output. A gorilla can remake the same shit over and over.
I quit playing LOU after the first one which was damn near perfect IMO. After the bullshit he did with LOU2, no more for me and i wont touch anything he makes.
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Tomeru
Member
Again with the long explanation...Quit being a passive aggressive prick. Its ok for people to criticize him and his non existent output. A gorilla can remake the same shit over and over.
I quit playing LOU after the first one which was damn near perfect IMO. After the bullshit he did with LOU2, no more for me and i wont touch anything he makes.
But I'm putting my foot down. This is not reddit. And LoU2 is better than Lou1, even with the added agenda.
Also, he isn't saying anything ludicrous.
sachos
Member
AI haters are thinking small imo.
Its not just about writting the whole script by itself, even if it never gets good enough to do that (i doubt it will not given current trends), AI will be/is good enough as a great brainstorming partner, it also is helpful to draft some crazy ideas to see how they would turn out and then you can come in and refine based on that. You can use the ever increasing context length to give the AI the whole context of your story so far and ask it to search for possible plot holes, suggest ideas for more interesting plot twists that then you can go and write yourself, etc.
Its not just about writting the whole script by itself, even if it never gets good enough to do that (i doubt it will not given current trends), AI will be/is good enough as a great brainstorming partner, it also is helpful to draft some crazy ideas to see how they would turn out and then you can come in and refine based on that. You can use the ever increasing context length to give the AI the whole context of your story so far and ask it to search for possible plot holes, suggest ideas for more interesting plot twists that then you can go and write yourself, etc.
Current AI models are just theifs, they steal lines from others, they aren't creative by any stretch of imagination, he must be drunk or high.
Yoboman
Member
This is shit just being made by individuals using AI language and voices. This sort of thing is not possible with any sort of traditional development and could get way cooler if done by an actual developme team
Figuring out how this stuff is working is as important as using it, it has it's limitations, it's not perfect, if devs and engineers aren't aware of it's limitations, then, they don't know what they are doing.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
MrRenegade
Banned
Yep, this is the way to go. This will elevate game enjoyment to previously unknown heights. Thank you for showing me this, I think the future is already here.
OuterLimits
Member
I think AI could be extremely beneficial in many things such as the medical field or improving weather forecasting.(particularly short range.. AI won't be superior to long range computer models like European or GFS anytime soon)
No thanks on wanting AI replacing humans when it comes to art or literature. Boring.
No thanks on wanting AI replacing humans when it comes to art or literature. Boring.