Pamplemousse
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Yawn. You don't do something because it's hard. That's not a reason. I agree that finding out about life in the universe would be nice, but there are more pressing issues to attend to.
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Crew "returns to Earth" after a year on simulated Mars
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Tricky I Shadow
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LOL! Perfect. I came in here to post something similar to both of these posts. Cheers guys!
shira
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So you are theorizing a NASA reality show Mars simulation in 100-200 years.
Polioliolio
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I've seen a couple shitty scifi movies that started out like this.
GlassEmpires
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Did you not listen to him at all or did you just x out of the video after he listed his reasons? If you did you missed the whole point. Going to Mars is hard. But it is also incredibly exciting and young people would be inspired to do engineering, biology, medical sciences. They would want to figure out these hard problems that are presented, because people like challenges. We face difficult circumstances today on many fronts but that is no reason to not keep moving the ball forward.
The argument "there are better things to focus on" can be said about pretty much any activity in the world. I mean, should NASA divert all its funds to starving children?
....I don't even know how to answer something like that. We can attend "more pressing issues" and still explore space.
Should start with the US military funds first
I know that "yawn" is the herald of a troll looking for a fight and I should just ignore you, but I gotta say...
That is not only wrong, but actually kind of frightening as a sentiment. The list of technologies we gained from the moon mission that completely changed our world and the social/economic boon that came with them is insane.
We invented all that shit because it was hard. Really really hard. It was totally worth it.
Only thinking in the short term has never gotten us much of anything.
Ether_Snake
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There is still very little point in sending people to Mars. NASA should be focusing strongly on robotics, 3d printing, AI. Sending humans there will be much easier later on, and we'll be able to do in one mission what we could now in ten. No need to rush this through.
Stumpokapow
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It's true that "no duh" people get depressed/stressed/anxious/lonely when they are isolated like that for a year--the point of the study is to be able to quantify it, look for patterns of heterogeneity (what type of people adjust better or worse to the situation, what type of people experience what symptoms, what type of people turn to sex or anger or... to overcome the effects, do they share their feelings with other astronauts), as well as testing physical stressors -- how many of these people fucked up putting on their suits when they had to go outside, how many equipment failures occurred, how much mass are they going to have to dedicate to support supplies, how will teams be able to take over for each other during an injury situation, how much space will they need in a habitat. All of these are questions that impacts tens of billions of dollars of spending decisions when we get ready for the real thing.
The people running the experiments and participating are all people with PhDs in their respective fields. They are under the belief that this information is useful to them. "Why are you doing science the result is going to be obvious" is an incredibly shallow critique of research and there's a reason the people making the critique are never experts in their field. I'm not saying all experts are always right about everything, I'm saying before you confidently say No This Is Definitely Useless, you might at least exhibit some self-doubt and search for whether or not there's something you've missed.
The people running the experiments and participating are all people with PhDs in their respective fields. They are under the belief that this information is useful to them. "Why are you doing science the result is going to be obvious" is an incredibly shallow critique of research and there's a reason the people making the critique are never experts in their field. I'm not saying all experts are always right about everything, I'm saying before you confidently say No This Is Definitely Useless, you might at least exhibit some self-doubt and search for whether or not there's something you've missed.
Photo of when they emerged:
Should have been first.
Pamplemousse
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Yes? Our house is burning down, yet we have people daydreaming about space colonies. Let's make sure those Mars people have something good to come back to.
You're more likely to feed starving children by doing science to find better ways to grow more food more efficiently than you are to feed starving children by making your scientists go home and start a farm.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
From the mission bio of the mission leader:
She probably shouldn't have been paid to do this, though
And from another crew member:
Definitely no implications for terraforming Earth, making farming easier here, or sustainable agriculture here though. Fire this guy.
Why are some people criticizing them? If people try out these hardcore sims to test their psychological and physical responses or want to explore space/planets, it furthers their knowledge of how to proceed for future missions. Science wouldn't be what it is without people trying these things out. Maybe they should all stay home and call it a day? Watch some science docs and stop being so ignorant.
This thread was made pretty much exactly 24 hours after I completed VLR for the first time yesterday. Coincidence?
BronzeWolf
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Gemüsepizza;215253045 said:
Why do any experiment at all?
We already know what the result is supposed to be
Neuromancer
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http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/08/why-explore-space.html?m=1
By exploring the moon, Mars and the rest of our solar system, scientists can indirectly and directly help people and make Earth a better place to live.
Thanks for sharing this.
It wouldn't surprise me if they trained astronauts in Antarctica before going to Mars. The environments are surprisingly similar. These are baby steps, and are what is required to get us to Mars.
Edit: They are actually already doing this. So cool! http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120807-the-loneliest-job-in-the-world
9 months is the figure usually thrown out. The problem isn't the time, it's living on a spaceship and bringing the needed supplies for either colonization or a round trip, neither of which are easy.
Because there's no advantages to learning about botany and biology in limited environments like other planets.
IndoAssassin
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Yearly budget for welfare = ~1 trillion/year
War on Iraq = ~2 trillion could cost~6 trillion
NASA yearly budget = ~20 billion/year
Total spent on NASA since 1958 = ~4 trillion
Yah Nasa funding should be used for other more pressing matters.
War on Iraq = ~2 trillion could cost~6 trillion
NASA yearly budget = ~20 billion/year
Total spent on NASA since 1958 = ~4 trillion
Yah Nasa funding should be used for other more pressing matters.
WickedLaharl
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came in expecting zero escape references
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Absolutely beautiful letter. Anyone complaining about the space program should read this.
It worked for JFK and the Apollo program.
BlastProcessing
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Let's go with the burning house metaphor. You want everyone to join the bucket brigade. Wouldn't it make sense to dedicate some resources to inventing fire hoses, extinguishers, and non-flammable materials? Shouldn't we learn about the very nature of fire?
As a species, we aren't going to move forward without what you dismissively refer to as daydreamers.
Pretty sure we have the capability to create fuck tons of food considering large farm surplus subsidies.
Pretty sure we have tons of environmental scientists, and on-earth environmental engineers whose data and policy are being blocked by politics.
We have economists, police, military defense, social programs, all of which are lacking in their own ways due to politics.
How come any time this attitude comes up it is always people trying to learn, engineer and do hard things in space, the people who are expanding our ultra-long term horizons.
How come whenever some YouTube, TV star, painter is on here we don't say they should throw away whatever they're doing and uh... grow food or something? Become lobbyists?
It is fucking stupid. We have multitasking.
Pretty sure we have tons of environmental scientists, and on-earth environmental engineers whose data and policy are being blocked by politics.
We have economists, police, military defense, social programs, all of which are lacking in their own ways due to politics.
How come any time this attitude comes up it is always people trying to learn, engineer and do hard things in space, the people who are expanding our ultra-long term horizons.
How come whenever some YouTube, TV star, painter is on here we don't say they should throw away whatever they're doing and uh... grow food or something? Become lobbyists?
It is fucking stupid. We have multitasking.
....yes.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone managed to do it now. There are some real idiots in reality TV. Anyone who's seen Big Brother can back me up
hydragonwarrior
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Exactly. We can't armchair our way into assuming how things will go on a manned interplanetary mission.
There was a show like this recently but now I can't tell you cause I would spoil it for you
GamingOblivion
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why post on a game forum when they are people dying all over the world
why give a shit about trump when we're all going to die from climate change in less than 100 years
why fucking live when the earth will eventually perish from getting engulfed by an engorged Sun long after the human race has ceased to exist in this universe
it's almost like the human race can concentrate on more than one thing at a time
Fucking inane comments like this really grinds my gears and reduces my hope for humanity
PHOENIXZERO
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The response to finding verifiable life on another planet, especially still living, would be an interesting one.
I do wonder how much of that 4T over nearly 60 years NASA has actually paid back through the various innovations they've come up with. Especially compared to the military which itself has contributed greatly to technology we have now.
Except for Iraq that's just been a disaster.
I do wonder how much of that 4T over nearly 60 years NASA has actually paid back through the various innovations they've come up with. Especially compared to the military which itself has contributed greatly to technology we have now.
Except for Iraq that's just been a disaster.
Smartphones, their cameras, GPS, Velcro, MRI, the microchip and many other things came about thanks to the space program.
And right now Nasa only gets 0.4% of the budget, and back in the space race it only had 4% of it. There are people out there that think it gets like 10% or 20%, which would be fantastic.
PHOENIXZERO
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That's the thing that bugs me about people who complain about NASA being a waste of money. They've probably paid for themselves more than ten fold at this point from their contributions.
What a shallow and short sighted way of thinking. I supposed your completely ignorant of the fact that developing technologies for space exploration also helps people on earth? What an embarrassing level of ignorance.
How about you educate yourself a bit?
NASA has a technology transfer program.
Isn't this half the reason people play the Dark Soul series on this video game forum?
Oh sorry, but why aren't you helping the starving children and resolving poverty instead of writing on a video game forum?
Seriously, those types of answers serves no purpose since we can try yo thrive for exploration and fufill our curiosity while attending to those pressing matters.
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