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Cruise on MSNBC (aka he's a nutcase)

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Razoric

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We asked Cruise to explain his recent comments regarding Brooke Shields. Cruise created a firestorm when he criticized Shields for revealing that she went into therapy and took antidepressants to deal with her postpartum depression. Cruise has said that, as a Scientologist, he doesn't believe in psychiatric medicine.

Cruise: I've never agreed with psychiatry, ever. Before I was a Scientologist I never agreed with psychiatry. And when I started studying the history of psychiatry, I understood more and more why I didn't believe in psychology.

And as far as the Brooke Shields thing, look, you got to understand, I really care about Brooke Shields. I think, here's a wonderful and talented woman. And I want to see her do well. And I know that psychiatry is a pseudo science.

Lauer: But Tom, if she said that this particular thing helped her feel better, whether it was the antidepressants or going to a counselor or psychiatrist, isn't that enough?

Cruise: Matt, you have to understand this. Here we are today, where I talk out against drugs and psychiatric abuses of electric shocking people, okay, against their will, of drugging children with them not knowing the effects of these drugs. Do you know what Aderol is? Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? Do you understand that?

Lauer: The difference is —

Cruise: No, no, Matt.

Lauer: This wasn't against her will, though.

Cruise: Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt —

Lauer: But this wasn't against her will.

Cruise: Matt, I'm asking you a question.

Lauer: I understand there's abuse of all of these things.

Cruise: No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do.

Lauer: Aren't there examples, and might not Brooke Shields be an example, of someone who benefited from one of those drugs?

Cruise: All it does is mask the problem, Matt. And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem. That's what it does. That's all it does. You're not getting to the reason why. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.

Lauer: So, postpartum depression to you is kind of a little psychological gobbledygook —

Cruise: No. I did not say that.

Lauer: I'm just asking what you, what would you call it?

Cruise: No. No. Abso— Matt, now you're talking about two different things.

Lauer: But that's what she went on the antidepressant for.

Cruise: But what happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem. There's ways, [with] vitamins and through exercise and various things... I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm saying. That's an alteration of what I'm saying. I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous. They're mind-altering, antipsychotic drugs. And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world. The thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, okay. And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry. She doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it, Matt.

Lauer: But a little bit of what you're saying Tom is, you say you want people to do well. But you want them do to well by taking the road that you approve of, as opposed to a road that may work for them.

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Cruise: No, no, I'm not.

Lauer: Well, if antidepressants work for Brooke Shields, why isn't that okay?

Cruise: I disagree with it. And I think that there's a higher and better quality of life. And I think that, promoting — for me personally, see, you're saying what, I can't discuss what I wanna discuss?

Lauer: No. You absolutely can.

Cruise: I know. But Matt, you're going in and saying that, that I can't discuss this.

Lauer: I'm only asking, isn't there a possibility that — do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people? That yes, there are abuses. And yes, maybe they've gone too far in certain areas. Maybe there are too many kids on Ritalin. Maybe electric shock —

Cruise: Too many kids on Ritalin? Matt.

Lauer: I'm just saying. But aren't there examples where it works?

Cruise: Matt. Matt, Matt, you don't even — you're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is. If you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt, okay? That's what I've done. Then you go and you say where's the medical test? Where's the blood test that says how much Ritalin you're supposed to get?

Lauer: It's very impressive to listen to you. Because clearly, you've done the homework. And you know the subject.

Cruise: And you should. And you should do that also. Because just knowing people who are on Ritalin isn't enough. You should be a little bit more responsible in knowing really —

Lauer: I'm not prescribing Ritalin, Tom. And I'm not asking anyone else to do it. I'm simply saying, I know some people who seem to have been helped by it.

Cruise: But you're saying this is a very important issue.

Lauer: I couldn't agree more.

Cruise: It's very — and you know what? You're here on the "Today" show.

Lauer: Right.

Cruise: And to talk about it in a way of saying, "Well, isn't it okay," and being reasonable about it when you don't know and I do, I think that you should be a little bit more responsible in knowing what it is.

Lauer: But —

Cruise: Because you communicate to people.

Lauer: But you're now telling me that your experiences with the people I know, which are zero, are more important than my experiences.

Cruise: What do you mean by that?

Lauer: You're telling me what's worked for people I know or hasn't worked for people I know. I'm telling you, I’ve lived with these people and they're better.

Cruise: So, you're advocating it.

Lauer: I am not. I'm telling you in their case, in their individual case, it worked. I am not gonna go out and say, "Get your kids on Ritalin. It's the cure-all and the end-all."

Cruise: Matt, but here's the point. What is the ideal scene for life? Okay. The ideal scene is someone not having to take antipsychotic drugs.

Lauer: I would agree.

Cruise: Okay. So, now you look at a departure from that ideal scene, is someone taking drugs, okay. And then you go, okay. What is the theory and the science behind that, that justifies that?

Lauer: Let me take this more general, because I think you and I can go around in circles on this for awhile. And I respect your opinion. Do you want more people to understand Scientology? Would that be a goal of yours?

Cruise: You know what? Absolutely. Of course, you know.

Lauer: How do you go about that?

Cruise: You just communicate about it. And the important thing is, like you and I talk about it, whether it's okay, if I want to know something, I go and find out. Because I don't talk about things that I don't understand. I'll say, you know what? I'm not so sure about that. I'll go find more information about it so I can come to an opinion based on the information that I have.

Lauer: You're so passionate about it.

Cruise: I'm passionate about learning. I'm passionate about life, Matt.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8343367/

how pissed is spielburg right about now? :lol
 

vatstep

This poster pulses with an appeal so broad the typical restraints of our societies fall by the wayside.
I saw that this morning. He was SO serious; it was kind of creepy.
 
Tom Cruise said:
Because I don't talk about things that I don't understand.

:lol Lies.

I caught it on TV this morning, too. He's completely insane. It was also disturbing when they'd cut to Katie Holmes sitting in the corner smiling at them like a Stepford Wife. Scary stuff.
 

olimario

Banned
heavy liquid said:
:lol Lies.

I caught it on TV this morning, too. He's completely insane. It was also disturbing when they'd cut to Katie Holmes sitting in the corner smiling at them like a Stepford Wife. Scary stuff.


I wonder what happened to her. I would love to know exactly what is going on.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
He is lucky Lauer didn't kick his ass. It's pretty obvious that he was just trying to placate to him.
 
I've got a theory that people who repeat your name constantly when they are talking to you are douchebags.

Mermandala: Tom. Tom, Tom, I now have more evidence. Tom, I want to thank you. Tom.
 

human5892

Queen of Denmark
Cruise: No, no, Matt.

Lauer: This wasn't against her will, though.

Cruise: Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt —

Lauer: But this wasn't against her will.

Cruise: Matt, I'm asking you a question.

...

Cruise: Too many kids on Ritalin? Matt.
There needs to be a YTMND with a crazy Cruise pose and various "Matts" over and over again.
 

Meier

Member
Oh Tom, how did you become so insane? As long as he keeps doing a good job in his movies.. that's all I ask.
 

Razoric

Banned
Meier said:
Oh Tom, how did you become so insane? As long as he keeps doing a good job in his movies.. that's all I ask.

how long before he finally kills our suspension of disbelief and all we see on screen is a big fucking douche. thats what im scared of for wotw. ive lost all respect for that guy.
 

vatstep

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heavy liquid said:
I caught it on TV this morning, too. He's completely insane. It was also disturbing when they'd cut to Katie Holmes sitting in the corner smiling at them like a Stepford Wife. Scary stuff.
Do they even have independent lives anymore? It's like they can't be anywhere without each other. I bet Tom had her body chemical structure altered so she can't survive without him. You know, part of the five-year deal.

"If you know of a better way to exchange long protein strands, I'd like to hear it."
 

White Man

Member
Lauer: It's very impressive to listen to you. Because clearly, you've done the homework. And you know the subject.

Please tell me that Lauer meant this line to be ironic? Tom Cruise thinks Jung was a sieg heil-shouting Nazi and claims that methadone used to be called Adolphium or something. He's done his homework, but he was huffing a fucking sharpie while doing it.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
It's going to be really hard going forward to separate this stuff from the fact that I tend to like movies he's in... I'm trying not to let it predispose me towards not liking his movies because I think he's off his rocker.. but...
 
For someone that studied so much, Tom sure did get owned in Time magazine (and if Tom was a real journalist, he would have called Tom out on that.)
 
I don't think he's totally insane.

Drugs should be a last resort imo. In the case of Ritalin, there are quite simply entire countries that find other courses of action to take. Some children WILL have ADHD and perhaps could be helped, you never know... but some parents would do well to cut out letting them eat shit full of E numbers, and improve their general lifestyle. That can help with a variety of problems: a healthy diet and exercise can help people... and I think we are too eager to just go the easy road and send out invites to superbugs by pumping people full of crappy drugs too early...

but denying people are mentally and chemically imbalanced sometimes, or that every case is different... I mean what if someone can't be motivated into healhtier living in the time needed to make them better? What if that wouldn't help anyway? There's a limited course of options there.

He seems to want empirical proof that these things work... that doesn't happen all the time. Sometimes it's randomly discovered that something will help alleviate a problem without knowing the full whys or wherefores. But even then, what they usually have in terms of evidence is more than enough to convince any of us.

Tom Cruise - he's read some papers. He's famous. He's into scientology. He preaches it on TV. To the inevitable detriment of his career.
 

NinSoX

Banned
ok tom is batshit insane but on antidepressive medicine i agree with him!

is not the right way to go, it maskes the problem!

if you can come out of a depression without any pills taken you will be a stronger and better person!
 

SteveMeister

Hang out with Steve.
Of course, Lauer could have just talked about the movie and Cruise's engagement. But Matt Lauer is the one who brought up the Brooke Shields stuff and Scientology, not Cruise. It's not like Cruise steered the interview in that direction -- Matt Lauer did.
 
Yeah he never talks about this shit unless people bring it up. And the only reason they do is they want a story imo. Sure he had a tent on the WotW set I know that. But I haven't personally seen him holding promotional scientology events on TV, or actively trying to persuade the public of it...

At movie premieres he doesn't walk around handing out leaflets praising our lord Xenu.. he talks with his fans and signs autographs for many hours longer than many other actors.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
White Man said:
Please tell me that Lauer meant this line to be ironic? Tom Cruise thinks Jung was a sieg heil-shouting Nazi and claims that methadone used to be called Adolphium or something. He's done his homework, but he was huffing a fucking sharpie while doing it.

It sounds like he was just trying to placate him, as he knew there was going to be no change in dialogue and didn't want to implode on TV. Kind of like arguing with that guy who goes to EB and tells the sales clerk that Xbox 2 will play all videogames. Nothing you can possibly say will make him change his mind.
 

White Man

Member
NinSoX said:
ok tom is batshit insane but on antidepressive medicine i agree with him!

is not the right way to go, it maskes the problem!

if you can come out of a depression without any pills taken you will be a stronger and better person!

Coming out of a depression without professional help isn't an option for all people. What may start as a reoccurring case of the blues becomes an addictive pattern in brain activity. After a while, your head may not be able to break that pattern by itself via extreme environmental and personal changes themselves. And keep in mind we live in a society that mostly votes to ignore things until they either go away or become out of control. Maybe if you address depression in its early stages, it could be tackled easily, but once the rolling snowball has started gettin' huge, you're going to need help.

I'm anti-psychiatry in many regards; depression is not one of them.
 

Justin Bailey

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SteveMeister said:
Of course, Lauer could have just talked about the movie and Cruise's engagement. But Matt Lauer is the one who brought up the Brooke Shields stuff and Scientology, not Cruise. It's not like Cruise steered the interview in that direction -- Matt Lauer did.
I'd do the same thing in Lauer's case. No one gives a shit about War of the Worlds now, when they see a Tom Cruise interview they expect some insane Scientology blabber.
 

Razoric

Banned
Some of you sound just as bad as Tom Cruise. :lol

Do some research and use common sense. Yes drugs like this can be abused but they also have helped a SHIT LOAD of people. This drug issue should be taken on an individual basis, not some blanket statement. And no, Cruise has no idea wtf he is talking about. It's really sad.
 
SteveMeister said:
Of course, Lauer could have just talked about the movie and Cruise's engagement. But Matt Lauer is the one who brought up the Brooke Shields stuff and Scientology, not Cruise. It's not like Cruise steered the interview in that direction -- Matt Lauer did.

The first half of the interview was about the movie and Katie. Both parts were on the Today Show this morning.

And dont think for a second Tom didnt know what was going to be asked when he went into this interview.
 

Minotauro

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Tom Cruise said:
And I know that psychiatry is a pseudo science.

Eh, at least it's isn't a complete fabrication that some mediocre science fiction writer pulled out of his ass in order to bilk deluded movie stars out of their fortunes.
 

Razoric

Banned
Bacon said:
And dont think for a second Tom didnt know what was going to be asked when he went into this interview.

Yeah it's not like this was sprung on him. Hell they probably even did a mock interview before hand.

Tom wanted to talk about this, don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

Cruise: I disagree with it. And I think that there's a higher and better quality of life. And I think that, promoting — for me personally, see, you're saying what, I can't discuss what I wanna discuss?

Lauer: No. You absolutely can.

Cruise: I know. But Matt, you're going in and saying that, that I can't discuss this.
 

Shig

Strap on your hooker ...
If I were in Lauer's position, I would have done a little something like this:

Lauer: Okay. You don't think medicine can be conclusively proven to have positive effects when used correctly, and that some people do in fact need medicine sometimes. Fine, new subject, then; for those who don't know, please tell us Scientology's theory of creation.

Cruise: [all that Xenu crap]

Lauer: Okay, you fucking moron, you have absolutely no grounds to debate with anyone about anything's veracity if you believe that bullshit. Get the fuck off my set.
 

Archaix

Drunky McMurder
I don't know whether this has been posted, but I think it fits here.

What Tom Cruise doesn't know might hurt you.

The belief that vitamins can cure radiation sickness, cancer and postpartum depression is a well-established psychological condition that is known widely in the medical community as CFH, short for "completely fucked in the head." L. Ron Hubbard was CFH. Tom Cruise is also CFH. If Tom Cruise wants to give advice on what makes Katie Holmes hot or what Nicole Kidman likes for breakfast, that's fine. Write a book about it. However, on behalf of all sane people everywhere, I respectfully request that Tom Cruise and any other megastars with absolutely no knowledge or training in medicine or whatever other subject may be bothering their puny little minds, shut their mouths and keep their stupid, backwards, malformed, mystical, bullshit ideas to themselves.
 

OmniGamer

Member
There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.

Oh, the irony. He's fast disproving that with every appearance he makes :lol...I think decades of screaming women have adversely affected several regions of his brain.

Anyway, I highly suspect that after this movie comes out, all TC news will come to a screeching halt...he and Katie won't marry(I hate when he calls her Kate...just like when he used to call Nicole "Nic"...does he have a problem with polysyllabic proper names? He's like the reverse of that weird guy from The Last Boyscout who would only call Jimmy "James" and Joe "Joseph"), or if they do, it'll be over just as soon as she's devirginated...he'll then set his eyes on an Olsen twin...or a zygote, y'know, whatever's in season.
 

ToxicAdam

Member
Nuclear science is all bunk because a few people abused it!! It's all a lie!


His righteousness in his anti-drug crusade makes me believe that he has some bad experiences with meds in the past. He apparantly has "cured" himself through an out of control ego and delusion ... not everyone has a lifestyle that can make this work.
 

dskillzhtown

keep your strippers out of my American football
This crap is like watching a trainwreck. It is like Eddie Murphy in 'Bowfinger'. I swear it is just like that,
 

Jill Sandwich

the turds of Optimus Prime
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"KNEEL BEFORE ME!"
 

Minotauro

Finds Purchase on Dog Nutz
Spike Spiegel said:
Man, I'm really starting to hope against hope that WotW is the biggest bomb since Pluto Nash.

I really think it has a decent chance of bombing. Cruise is just so over-exposed right now in the media. There's a real backlash brewing. I mean, look what happened to Affleck and Jennifer Lopez. I'd be mighty surprised if either one of them is in a big (as in monetary success) movie ever again.
 

Baron Aloha

A Shining Example
I worked around people who were psychotic and/or depressed for a number of years and I've got news for you. Mr. Cruise isn't as crazy as many of you think. A lot of his "facts" are wrong but the basic gist of what he is saying (and the point I think he was ultimately trying to make...unsuccessfully I might add) is unfortunately very, very true.

Nowadays whenever someone has a problem (especially kids) the doctors and parents just don't want to deal with it so they throw pills at the kids to make the problems go away. He is absolutely correct when he says that all it does it mask the problem. I used to see it all the time. People would stop taking the pills and the same old patterns would pop up again. Sometimes it was because of a genuine chemical imbalance (and in those cases the people should be one medication) but just as often it was because the people never really received the proper psychiatric treatment, conseling, or in some cases... a swift kick in butt (a swift kick in the butt does wonders sometimes...I speak from personal experience as someone who has received said kick).

Don't get me wrong...there are many people out there who need to be on medication but if I had to guess I would say that at least 50% or more of the kids that I've dealt with who take ritalin, adderall, etc. don't really need it. That's because the parents (I wish I could introduce some of them to you guys) are just lazy and they just throw their hands up in the air and refuse to really discipline their children or confront any of their problems. They would rather pretend that they don't exist.

That's one of the problems with our society nowadays IMO. Got a problem? Here take this pill. Kid misbehaving? Have him take one of these pills twice a day. He'll be like a zombie all day but hey...you won't have to deal with phone calls from the principal anymore or, heaven forbid, actually be a parent.

I could talk for days or weeks about this topic, believe me, but I'll leave it at that.
 

Sapiens

Member
Willco said:
. Kind of like arguing with that guy who goes to EB and tells the sales clerk that Xbox 2 will play all videogames. Nothing you can possibly say will make him change his mind.

I think I know that guy. Is he the same person who said that Spirits Within was so realistic and detailed that they had to tone it down, so as not to freak people out?
 
The sad thing is that I agree with him, in part, on the use of psychiatric drugs. but his stance is some absolute and simplistic that he loses all credibility with me.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
JC10001 said:
A lot of his facts are wrong but the basic gist of what he is saying (and the point I think he was ultimately trying to make...unsuccessfully I might add) is unfortunately very, very true.

YOU HAD ME AT FACTS ARE WRONG.

:lol

Wow, watching the video is even scarier. I like it when Cruise laughs at Lauer like, "HAHA LOOK AT THIS GUY!"
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
JC10001 said:
well "facts" as he sees them anyway

If your argument is illogical and made up of facts based on a crazy science fiction writer, why am I going to listen to it, regardless if some aspects have merit?

That's like saying, "Y'know, apart from the genocide and oppressive authoritarian rule, Hitler had some good ideas on genetics!"
 

White Man

Member
JC10001 said:
I worked around people who were psychotic and/or depressed for a number of years and I've got news for you. Mr. Cruise isn't as crazy as many of you think. A lot of his "facts" are wrong but the basic gist of what he is saying (and the point I think he was ultimately trying to make...unsuccessfully I might add) is unfortunately very, very true.

Nowadays whenever someone has a problem (especially kids) the doctors and parents just don't want to deal with it so they throw pills at the kids to make the problems go away. He is absolutely correct when he says that all it does it mask the problem. I used to see it all the time. People would stop taking the pills and the same old patterns would pop up again. Sometimes it was because of a genuine chemical imbalance (and in those cases the people should be one medication) but just as often it was because the people never really received the proper psychiatric treatment, conseling, or in some cases... a swift kick in butt (a swift kick in the butt does wonders sometimes...I speak from personal experience as someone who has received said kick).

Don't get me wrong...there are many people out there who need to be on medication but if I had to guess I would say that at least 50% or more of the kids that I've dealt with who take ritalin, adderall, etc. don't really need it. That's because the parents (I wish I could introduce some of them to you guys) are just lazy and they just throw their hands up in the air and refuse to really discipline their children or confront any of their problems. They would rather pretend that they don't exist.

That's one of the problems with our society nowadays IMO. Got a problem? Here take this pill. Kid misbehaving? Have him take one of these pills twice a day. He'll be like a zombie all day but hey...you won't have to deal with phone calls from the principal anymore or, heaven forbid, actually be a parent.

I could talk for days or weeks about this topic, believe me, but I'll leave it at that.

This is the Foucaultian version of anti-psychiatry. It's the one I largely agree with it. He wrote a number of books on this subject. One of them was just on that Christian Conservative list of TEH EVIL BOOKS.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
I don't think any medical science is without is negative aspects, psychiatry being one of them. Surely, there is a problem with how certain drugs are prescribed. But is it enough to say that anyone who uses prescription drugs is wrong (or in Cruise language, not "ideal")? That psychiatry is psuedo science babble that has no merit? To say that there's no such thing as a chemical imbalance?

Probably not.

Justin Bailey said:
Thread has now been GODWIN'D

Haha, I was about to post that right underneath my last post, but I was waiting to see who would say that first. I am disappointed it wasn't White Man!
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
Funny, the word "scientology" originally meant "pseudo-science".
 

White Man

Member
Willco said:
Haha, I was about to post that right underneath my last post, but I was waiting to see who would say that first. I am disappointed it wasn't White Man!

I Godwined it. I mentioned Cruise saying that Jung was a Nazi. My fault.

PS. Cruise is a Nazi.
 
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