Cruz soars past Trump in Iowa

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Trump will probably go on the offensive soon because Iowa is absolutely crucial, but he has to be very careful about it.

Eh, Santorum & Huckabee won the last two Iowa caucuses in the Republican race. The crazies in Iowa don't have too much of an affect on the national race.
 
Trump is beginning to go harder on Cruz. I can see that definitely pick up now.

Iowa isn't crucial lol. Santorum won in 2012. Huckabee won in 2008. If anything Iowa is irrelevant.

Trumps strategy seems largely about momentum and being ahead in the polls. If he begins losing the illusion breaks and his entire campaign would probably collapse. Furthermore, he has to win the majority if he doesn't want to get into a brokered fight.

“So it’s very important for me to win Iowa,” Trump said during a campaign event in the Varied Industries Building on the Iowa State Fairgrounds. “Now, I could put less pressure on myself and say, ‘Oh, I don’t care about Iowa,’ but I do care. I do care so much about it. That’s why I’m here all the time.”

And Trump said if he wins Iowa’s Caucuses, he’ll be able to “run the table” in the following contests and secure enough delegates to avoid a nomination fight at the Republican National Convention.

http://www.radioiowa.com/2015/12/11...-majority-may-help-him-run-the-table-in-2016/
 
Cruz has the most unelectable face and voice of any candidate in history. A rare moment when American shallowness will save us.

He has less chance than trump in the general.
 
Iowa has picked the religious nut job of the group in '08 and in '12

Cruz will win Iowa but that is pretty much it.

New Hampshire is a weird combination of Rinos + Libertarians. Cruz will fall flat in NH
 
Eh, Santorum & Huckabee won the last two Iowa caucuses in the Republican race. The crazies in Iowa don't have too much of an affect on the national race.

South Carolina is the big prize out of the early primaries. You get two weeks to ride the win into super tuesday and can take a win there to peel off supporters of the low-performers in Iowa and NH.
 
They're not going to butt heads until the absolute last possible minute. Both know their fanbases overlap almost 100% - only one can survive. Either they team up at the last minute for a united front, or they kill each other. Trump has the money and cult of personality, but Cruz has favor among Trump's audience + establishment respect.

I could see the party swarming to Cruz as the way out of the Trump hole. Then Cruz promising some level of access to Trump in the WH if he doesn't run independent.

The GOP establishment hates Cruz. He only looks good to them in comparison to Trump.
 
I don't know what everyone dislike about Cruz. I see a lot of "Cruz is worse than everyone else " but I don't know what that means

Like, I know nothing about him because he's been so quiet. Carson and Trump are way but all I know about Cruz was he was the one who said that net neutrality is Obama care for the internet" which is really God damn stupid, but I don't know anything else about him.

Oh also that he's a Fucking idiot about abortion and contraceptives as well
 
I don't know what everyone dislike about Cruz. I see a lot of "Cruz is worse than everyone else " but I don't know what that means

Like, I know nothing about him because he's been so quiet. Carson and Trump are way but all I know about Cruz was he was the one who said that net neutrality is Obama care for the internet" which is really God damn stupid, but I don't know anything else about him.

Oh also that he's a Fucking idiot about abortion and contraceptives as well
Jeb and Rubio are the worst because they are a continuation of Neoncon Oil n Gas War War War to enrich Chenney and Wolfofofofowitz
 
The Santorum and Huckster comparisons aren't that apt imo. The reason why Cruz is winning Iowa might be similar, but he has two things they didn't have to take advantage of the win.

Boatloads of money and real infrastructure.
 
There were plenty of Trump based threads on the first page:
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This got me good.
 
Jeb and Rubio are the worst because they are a continuation of Neoncon Oil n Gas War War War to enrich Chenney and Wolfofofofowitz

I also think they're pretty bad because they've fooled so many people - folks who don't pay close attention, and/or folks who are easily duped
(yes, I'm side-eyeing a lot of gullible folks at GAF and elsewhere)
- into thinking that they're somehow "moderate."
 
First sentence of this thread is a lie! The Home Alone 2 thread has consistently been on the front page. And guess who was the huge breakout star of Home Alone 2?

Carson falling apart left room for Cruz. Heck, I wouldn't be shocked if the status quo in Iowa changed one more time before the primary. We still got time. Haha
 
lol. Cruz 31 is trending on Twitter. Trump is probably sweating. I hope we see a repeat "best speech ever" like he did to take down Carson.
 
Cruz scares me almost as much as Trump. But it's probably better that he takes a turn up front so he can be destroyed now rather than later.

I don't think a looney tunes GOP presidential candidate is good for anyone. Even if he loses.
 
I don't know what everyone dislike about Cruz. I see a lot of "Cruz is worse than everyone else " but I don't know what that means
He was part of the audience listening to a preacher talk about how homosexuals were going to/supposed to (I don't remember the exact wording) be executed because God said so.

Guilt by association when it's that bad. I think the preacher also worked on the bill in Uganda dubbed "kill the gays".
 
Iowa isn't crucial lol. Santorum won in 2012. Huckabee won in 2008. If anything Iowa is the most irrelevant of the early states.
On the contrary, in this cycle it matters a lot and is the linchpin in the entire strategy to stop Trumps momentum.

The reason Iowa usually is ignored is because of evangelical candidates winning who do poorly in New Hampshire. The issue this cycle is that Trump does well everywhere, not just the early states and his support is stable. If he wins Iowa, he will certainly win NH too and he has never trailed in South Carolina. He could go into Super Tuesday with no loses and an air of inevitability. The GOP is terrified of this so they want Cruz to win Iowa in order for an establishment frontrunner to materialize in Iowa.
 
I don't know what everyone dislike about Cruz. I see a lot of "Cruz is worse than everyone else " but I don't know what that means

Like, I know nothing about him because he's been so quiet. Carson and Trump are way but all I know about Cruz was he was the one who said that net neutrality is Obama care for the internet" which is really God damn stupid, but I don't know anything else about him.

Oh also that he's a Fucking idiot about abortion and contraceptives as well

Cruz led the way in the last couple government shut downs, refusing to acquiesce as the country burns down around him. He's an uncontrollable demagogue.
 
I hate Ted Cruz's guts and I'll say right now that he might be the smartest person running for president in either party.

The way he's able to manipulate and take advantage of his base is unparalleled.

It's crazy how he's also got the support of the very same birthers who still don't believe Obama was born on US soil, but they have no issues with Cruz being born in Canada.

The GOP, the electorate are basically handing the Democrats the presidency on a silver platter at this point. And yet they're so delusional that they think there is a shot at winning.
 
Cruz is way worse than Trump because he actually believe the shit he say and has already proved he don't give a shit if the country goes down because he is not a enterpreneur or a working man, he's a fucking madman. Trump would do like nothing of the things he said because he's a showman and a businessman first, he would pass horrible shit for the economy to help corps hog money even more and help his business but i don't think he'd do any different than say, the Bushes or at worst a new Reagan. He's a clown that know how to play his audience, Cruz is a deranged human being.

My proof? Trump act and say the same shit of Berlusconi, and in the end what did Berlusconi do after all the populist racist sexist shit he said? He made laws that helped him and his businessmen friends avoid taxes and basically nothing else because that's what people with money enter politics to do.

Both are idiots that won't go anywhere in the general. If Trump were in an ethnical homogenous country like Berlusconi was he could easily win riding on anti-estabilishment, enterpreneur "make the country great like my business", stop taxes gain money etc... but in America? He ain't going anywhere.
 
It's crazy how he's also got the support of the very same birthers who still don't believe Obama was born on US soil, but they have no issues with Cruz being born in Canada.

The GOP, the electorate are basically handing the Democrats the presidency on a silver platter at this point. And yet they're so delusional that they think there is a shot at winning.
For the record, Cruz's acceptability to the birther crowd is in large part because birtherism is dog whistle politics. Obama is an "other." Cruz is one of them and looks like one of them, so his place of birth isn't an issue, even though he was actually born in Canada, just as it wasn't for McCain.

(TL;DR: it's at least in part [I would say mostly] due to Obama's race. That's why Cruz's nationality is okay.)
 
someone told me this week that Cruz is an extremely smart guy. Is that a prevailing belief amongst his fans?

Out of all the politicians in Washington, Cruz is the one closest to being a real life Frank Underwood. But the GOP establishment knows that and they can't stand him because of it.
 
If you had told us one year ago that we were going to come in third in Iowa, we would've given anything for that. And you know something? You know something? Not only are we going to New Hampshire, Tom Harkin, we're going to South Carolina and Oklahoma and Arizona and New Mexico. And we're going to California and Texas and New York. And then we're going to Oregon and Washington and Michigan. And then we're going to Washington, DC to take back the White House. YEAAAHAHAHGH
 
I think Cruz is worse than Trump.

Yeah, Cruz is probably the single most evil active politician in America right now as far as I'm concerned. I still think Trump is just putting on a show, Cruz actually wants to get in there and destroy everything.
 
I don't know what everyone dislike about Cruz. I see a lot of "Cruz is worse than everyone else " but I don't know what that means

Like, I know nothing about him because he's been so quiet. Carson and Trump are way but all I know about Cruz was he was the one who said that net neutrality is Obama care for the internet" which is really God damn stupid, but I don't know anything else about him.

Oh also that he's a Fucking idiot about abortion and contraceptives as well

If only there was some way to look up things about Cruz.

Seriously, though, there are tons of things to hate about Cruz. He is a fundie Christian asshole who thinks bombing the ME until its sand glows is a serious foreign policy proposal.
 
Cruz has the most unelectable face and voice of any candidate in history. A rare moment when American shallowness will save us.

He has less chance than trump in the general.

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"Come and insult me to my face."

I still can't get over a sitting US senator saying that schoolyard tough guy crap to the POTUS.
 
It's crazy how he's also got the support of the very same birthers who still don't believe Obama was born on US soil, but they have no issues with Cruz being born in Canada.

The GOP, the electorate are basically handing the Democrats the presidency on a silver platter at this point. And yet they're so delusional that they think there is a shot at winning.

There have been polls that show more republicans think Cruz was born in America than Obama.
 
But Cruz isn't an idiot. He's brilliant at appealing to idiots.

Well he is that too but I don't know that he's not an idiot. His comments about religion and government, climate change, abortion, foreign policy and the economy suggest to me he's an idiot.

Unlike Trump I think he believes 100% of what he's saying.
 
Well he is that too but I don't know that he's not an idiot. His comments about religion and government, climate change, abortion, foreign policy and the economy suggest to me he's an idiot.

Unlike Trump I think he believes 100% of what he's saying.

I don't. I think he's a perfect mix of Bond villain and used car salesman.
 
I don't. I think he's a perfect mix of Bond villain and used car salesman.

haha good description.

The way I look at it is this: if I believe he is a right-wing, religious zealot, then I think he believes the shit he says. Otherwise, the alternative is that he is actually a moderate or maybe even a secret left winger saying shit for potential votes, and that doesn't strike me as likely.
 
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