Cyberpunk: How hard is it to be honest I'm the gaming industry? No other industry would get justification. Fool me once...

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Image buying your favorite music album day 1. Sure, maybe 3 out of 12 tracks might be the only good songs. But what if none were good, in fact, what if the songs were off beat, static, and background voices were plagued throughout.

You go to see the film Avenger Infinity Wars the day of release only to witness, actors not remembering their lines, costumes falling off, and CGI looking like it was from 2002.

So why when it comes to gaming we justify anything less? Both CDPR and Cyberpunk did not deserve this, but their in an industy where both investor , and more sadly us the players, enable this.

EDIT: Forgive the typo in the title, hate that.
 
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I mean...

your on a forum with at least 3 threads of people constantly denying that there is anything seriously wrong with the game. I responded to one but just stopped after the OP went step by step how my opinion was factually wrong (as his opinion is fact not opinion) but since he was a mentally retarded cripple, I didn't want to respond with anything logical as it was apparent it would go in one ear, find nothing and then glitch through the floor and explode, before police spawn 2 feet directly behind them.

So sorry but the fact that this is the first game on open critic to come with a warning, or the fact that platform holders are allowing refunds is not an indication of something wrong, not in the slightest. Because once you have bent over backwards so far all you can see is the damp musty walls of your own arse, Cyberpunk somehow becomes the greatest game ever created.
 
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While I agree with a quality assured game product you have to allow some understanding due to the fact there's a massive difference between real time simulations that are games vs static content targets of movies or music.

A better analogy would be say building cars; moving parts, interactive, under consumer control etc. There's a safety element and standards at play for cars, are you suggesting there's a minimal operational quality game developers should have to adhere to?
 
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STARSBarry said:
I mean...

your on a forum with at least 3 threads of people constantly denying that there is anything seriously wrong with the game. I responded to one but just stopped after the OP went step by step how my opinion was factually wrong (as his opinion is fact not opinion) but since he was a mentally retarded cripple, I didn't want to respond with anything logical as it was apparent it would go in one ear, find nothing and then glitch through the floor and explode, before police spawn 2 feet directly behind them.

So sorry but the fact that this is the first game on open critic to come with a warning, or the fact that platform holders are allowing refunds is not an indication of something wrong, not in the slightest. Because once you have bent over backwards so far all you can see is the damp musty walls of your own arse, Cyberpunk somehow becomes the greatest game ever created.
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My problem with your take: anyone who likes the game is bent over backwards.

It's a stupid take. You are not happy with the product, go fight for a refund, by all means. Game has problems, they should have been more transparent about the base consoles, i agree too.

But don't come around saying that if someone else likes the game and is enjoying it, is a sheep or "enabling" something.
 
John Day said:
My problem with your take: anyone who likes the game is bent over backwards.

It's a stupid take. You are not happy with the product, go fight for a refund, by all means. Game has problems, they should have been more transparent about the base consoles, i agree too.

But don't come around saying that if someone else likes the game and is enjoying it, is a sheep or "enabling" something.
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You can enjoy the game despite the bugs and still be critical about it. Imagine that.

But some people here can't look further than their own ass. "I havent experienced bugs, my game looks great, so now I should be sorry about enjoying the game?". Maybe some empathy would be good, dickhead.

Nobody wins by enabling a company to do that. Because maybe tomorrow, they could be fucking PC gamers with their latest game. Then lets see if they wouldnt cry just as loud in that situation.

People on PC and next gen arent even playing a polished game, despite running/looking better.

So yeah, everyone, even people enjoying the game, should demand for more.
 
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Hugare said:
You can enjoy the game despite the bugs and still be critical about it. Imagine that.

But some people here can't look further than their own ass. "I havent experienced bugs, my game looks great, so now I should be sorry about enjoying the game?". Maybe some empathy would be good, dickhead.

Nobody wins by enabling a company to do that. Because maybe tomorrow, they could be fucking PC gamers with their latest game. Then lets see if they wouldnt cry just as loud in that situation.

People on PC and next gen arent even playing a polished game, despite running/looking better.

So yeah, everyone, even people enjoying the game, should demand for more.
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So what should we do about it? Keep making threads in these forums about it for weeks?

The developers already acknowledge their fault, game is being worked on at the moment. We can either wait, or look for ways to get a refund and not support them next time if you feel inclined to.

What will my empathy do to help you, realistically speaking, at this moment? I got lost there for a moment.

There are as many people using hyperbole in these threads on either side. But that is par for the course when it comes to the internet.
 
MegaZoneEX said:
You go to see the film Avenger Infinity Wars the day of release only to witness, actors not remembering their lines, costumes falling off, and CGI looking like it was from 2002.
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There have been some pretty bad CGI effects in the Marvel franchise (Banner in the Hulkbuster armor, for instance, in the previously mentioned Infinity War movie.)
 
Hugare said:
You can enjoy the game despite the bugs and still be critical about it. Imagine that.

But some people here can't look further than their own ass. "I havent experienced bugs, my game looks great, so now I should be sorry about enjoying the game?". Maybe some empathy would be good, dickhead.

Nobody wins by enabling a company to do that. Because maybe tomorrow, they could be fucking PC gamers with their latest game. Then lets see if they wouldnt cry just as loud in that situation.

People on PC and next gen arent even playing a polished game, despite running/looking better.

So yeah, everyone, even people enjoying the game, should demand for more.
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Why the fuck would people need to show empathy?
It's a game, a piece of entertainment. I haven't had any issues with bugs. I've had a great experience. And sorry to say it, but the only experience that matters to me, is mine.
If you have problems with your experience, then take it up with CDPR, not the people actually enjoying the game. And people have already taken it up with CDPR, which is why they are offering refunds. What more do you want exactly?
 
John Day said:
So what should we do about it? Keep making threads in these forums about it for weeks?

The developers already acknowledge their fault, game is being worked on at the moment. We can either wait, or look for ways to get a refund and not support them next time if you feel inclined to.

What will my empathy do to help you, realistically speaking, at this moment? I got lost there for a moment.

There are as many people using hyperbole in these threads on either side. But that is par for the course when it comes to the internet.
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One of the most hyped games of all time has disapointed millions of people not even a week ago.

CDPR released a statement today talking about it

So what do you expect? People will talk about it. Especially in a gaming forum.

If you dont want to see Cyberpunk threads where people will vent about being disapointed, I suggest you stay away from Gaf for some weeks

Sakura said:
Why the fuck would people need to show empathy?

It's a game, a piece of entertainment. I haven't had any issues with bugs. I've had a great experience. And sorry to say it, but the only experience that matters to me, is mine.

If you have problems with your experience, then take it up with CDPR, not the people actually enjoying the game. And people have already taken it up with CDPR, which is why they are offering refunds. What more do you want exactly?
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Same goes for you, dude

"If you have problems with your experience, then take it up with CDPR, not the people actually enjoying the game."

Is someone knocking at your door to talk about it?

People are discussing about it in a gaming forum. They are in their right to do so.

Deal with it. Or dont.

There's a "Ignore Thread" button
 
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Hugare said:
One of the most hyped games of all time has disapointed millions of people not even a week ago.

CDPR released a statement today talking about it

So what do you expect? People will talk about it. Especially in a gaming forum.

If you dont want to see Cyberpunk threads where people will vent about being disapointed, I suggest you stay away from Gaf for some weeks
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Or, and just try to smell what I am cooking here, people could utilize one of the 500 existing threads to engage in such discussion.

Today's statement has dedicated threads already.

There are dedicated threads related to bugs, performance, refunds, hating the game, loving the game, etc. Not to mention the actual OT.

Forum Flooding doesn't make anything better. (edit, IMO, anyway)

*shrugs*

Call me crazy.
 
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wired_controllers said:
Or, and try to stay with me here, people could utilize one of the 500 existing threads to engage in such discussion.

Today's statement has dedicated threads already.

There are dedicated threads related to bugs, performance, refunds, hating the game, loving the game, etc.

Forum Flooding doesn't make anything better.

*shrugs*

Call me crazy.
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That's why we have mods.

If they think that there are too many threads, they can close them

Bitching about it will also do no good
 
MegaZoneEX said:
Image buying your favorite music album day 1. Sure, maybe 3 out of 12 tracks might be the only good songs. But what if none were good, in fact, what if the songs were off beat, static, and background voices were plagued throughout.

You go to see the film Avenger Infinity Wars the day of release only to witness, actors not remembering their lines, costumes falling off, and CGI looking like it was from 2002.

So why when it comes to gaming we justify anything less? Both CDPR and Cyberpunk did not deserve this, but their in an industy where both investor , and more sadly us the players, enable this.

EDIT: Forgive the typo in the title, hate that.
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Why change?

Gamers seem to lap up bullshot preview videos 3 years out.

Probably the only industry where people do pre-orders in the millions for something they have no clue what the final product will be, and half the time there's isn't even a rock solid release date. And some gamers claim some stores will bill your credit card right away.

And with digital downloads being the rage, you don't even get 30% off E3 disc deals anymore. So the lure of getting the game on a promo deal is not even there either (I did my share of buy 2 get 1 free deals for predictably decent games like Forza, COD and NHL).

I was never a big music CD buyer. I got my big stash, but I'd just buy them randomly, including thumbing around for them at flea markets for $8 15 years ago. For you music enthusiasts when tapes or CDs were the rage, were people doing pre-orders????
 
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The game exceeded all my expectations

Ran near perfect on release day one on xsx, now truly flawless after 1.0.4

Easily GOTY
 
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Im a fan of CDPR, Witcher 3 is my favorite RPG but this with CP2077 is inexcusable as far as consoles go especially. Fine, they will fix it over time but games would get a lower score just because it has long loading times yet here with 20+ bigs mentioned in the review = 10/10.

Fuck off. And now look at all the mess with refunds. Really, that got all 10/10s? Make a review in progress like they do with COD titles if they said a patch will "fix everything" day one and then blindly believe it will so you ignore the glitches and bugs...

And anyone that says it was the same for Witcher 3, i played it day one. I dont even know if i remeber a glitch. This game is literally unplayable on base consoles, on the Pro a little better and then they said to reviewers you cant show footage unless its ours. Just really trash and they should of gotten 6/10, wake the fuck up, fix everything and then like No Mans Sky, re-release a normal version.
 
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Make a review in progress like they do with COD titles
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Yeah this is what they should have done. COD titles usually launch about 90% complete, and takes at least 2-3 major patches to correct...however those major patches usually hit before xmas or Jan at the latest.

This thing however doesn't feel like it'll be ready till mid to late next year, and I don't think that's an exaggeration.
 
Yeah I guess it depends really. Like I'm playing the ox version and I have only ran into one bug in 15 hours of play.

Then on the other side you have the last gen console versions that seem to have a lot of issues.
 
How can you compare movies and music to a medium that is transformative, though? There are albums released with bad production jobs that are remastered later, movies released with heavy censorship and you need to wait for unrated versions/director's cuts but yes, nothing compared to a transformative medium that is constantly being updated.
 
CDPR have a good reputation that is why I trusted them on this one myself but not anymore as that reputation is damaged and this is not me alone that will be careful from now on buying their products going forward.
 
Explosive Zombie said:
You guys act like the critic's only job is to judge how a game's technical performance is, which isn't even that bad on PC... you know... the platform most reviews were for when it hit 90+
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Well currently at 89 and should drop more, but thanks to the shills who gave it a flawless 100 it shouldn't drop below 80. 50 on PS4 and 51 on Xbone now.
 
Explosive Zombie said:
Why were they being shills? Why does the PC version deserve a lower score?
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Because like all other games like Andromeda. It's plagued with glitches, and the city is so dead with nothing really going on or interactive. It's a linear game with shit driving mechanics. GTA3 had much more interaction in the city than this.
 
Bo_Hazem said:
Because like all other games like Andromeda. It's plagued with glitches, and the city is so dead with nothing really going on or interactive. It's a linear game with shit driving mechanics. GTA3 had much more interaction in the city than this.
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Unlike Andromeda it has great characters, great writing and great mission design. The combat is also top-notch for an RPG. City doesn't feel dead on PC but the level of interaction IS fairly low, that said it's more alive and interactive than Witcher III and people praise that game to high heaven without being called shills. It's certainly not a linear game, but it could have had more options, I suppose, that said I feel like the full breadth of what can be done in the game can't be appreciated this early in and most people are early in, there's a good Reddit post from someone 60 hours in saying the idea it's linear is bogus, it was posted somewhere on here, great read if you find it, guy beat the story twice to see for himself how true these assumptions were. Driving mechanics are fine for me but it does depend on the vehicle sometimes. You bring up GTA 3, you're right, it had more emergent gameplay... but that's kindof all it has over this game? If you came to Cyberpunk for another GTA you were guaranteed disappointment, can't blame critics for judging it as an RPG first.
 
Explosive Zombie said:
Unlike Andromeda it has great characters, great writing and great mission design. The combat is also top-notch for an RPG. City doesn't feel dead on PC but the level of interaction IS fairly low, that said it's more alive and interactive than Witcher III and people praise that game to high heaven without being called shills. It's certainly not a linear game, but it could have had more options, I suppose, that said I feel like the full breadth of what can be done in the game can't be appreciated this early in and most people are early in, there's a good Reddit post from someone 60 hours in saying the idea it's linear is bogus, it was posted somewhere on here, great read if you find it, guy beat the story twice to see for himself how true these assumptions were. Driving mechanics are fine for me but it does depend on the vehicle sometimes. You bring up GTA 3, you're right, it had more emergent gameplay... but that's kindof all it has over this game? If you came to Cyberpunk for another GTA you were guaranteed disappointment, can't blame critics for judging it as an RPG first.
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Well, I'll wait for next gen patch, by then it should sort most of its glitches out in a year or so from now.
 
Bo_Hazem said:
Well, I'll wait for next gen patch, by then it should sort most of its glitches out in a year or so from now.
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I hope the game is everything you want eventually, man, I don't want people to be so upset with the game and I don't think it's GOOD ENOUGH now, I think the improvements have to be made, on ALL versions. I just am having such a blast with the elements that work right now I can't be mad, especially knowing CDPR's track record for post-launch support.
 
Relax , its Just games , there is a global pandemic, if you can breath in some outside air, sport a little and carry on.

or get a Series X, I just started playing last evening on 30 frames mode and it plays and looks splendid , the story also instantly grabbed me, and I don't like open world games that much. I do have a soft spot for Sience fiction.
 
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sinnergy said:
Relax , its Just games , there is a global pandemic, if you can breath in some outside air, sport a little and carry on.

or get a Series X, I just started playing last evening on 30 frames mode and it plays and looks splendid , the story also instantly grabbed me, and I do t Luke open world games .
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The real problem is with people who are open world game fans, it's clearly not hitting their expectations and it's hard to argue they're wrong, the argument I stick by is the open world is just there for immersion/atmosphere and this game is an RPG first and foremost. It's like Deus Ex went fully open world.
 
Explosive Zombie said:
I hope the game is everything you want eventually, man, I don't want people to be so upset with the game and I don't think it's GOOD ENOUGH now, I think the improvements have to be made, on ALL versions. I just am having such a blast with the elements that work right now I can't be mad, especially knowing CDPR's track record for post-launch support.
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The clear amazing things I felt watching videos are sounds (gun sounds and impact), graphics overall are very good, and the feel of a true city and the scale of the skyscrapers there.

Gamelpay looks stiff to me, but gameplay wasn't the thing that made The Witcher 3 one of my best games of all times.
 
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Bo_Hazem said:
The clear amazing things I felt watching videos are sounds (gun sounds and impact), graphics overall are very good, and the feel of a true city and a scale of the skyscrapers there.

Gamelpay looks stiff to me, but gameplay wasn't the thing that made The Witcher 3 one of my best games of all times.
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The gameplay is so much better than Witcher 3 for me, like even ignoring that I prefer FPS combat to hack and slash, this game is better than probably any other RPG that's a shooter hybrid, any Mass Effect, Fallout or even Deus Ex for pure shooting this game wins. Whereas there are few hack and slash games less enjoyable than Witcher III's combat.
 
Explosive Zombie said:
The gameplay is so much better than Witcher 3 for me, like even ignoring that I prefer FPS combat to hack and slash, this game is better than probably any other RPG that's a shooter hybrid, any Mass Effect, Fallout or even Deus Ex for pure shooting this game wins. Whereas there are few hack and slash games less enjoyable than Witcher III's combat.
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Get out of here. Mass Effect Andromeda combat and sounds are so satisfying. It's kinda the prowess of EA in general, gunfight gameplay and sounds.

Fallout is an ancient turd, Deus Ex is an outdated game so agree with you there.
 
Hugare said:
You can enjoy the game despite the bugs and still be critical about it. Imagine that.

But some people here can't look further than their own ass. "I havent experienced bugs, my game looks great, so now I should be sorry about enjoying the game?". Maybe some empathy would be good, dickhead.

Nobody wins by enabling a company to do that. Because maybe tomorrow, they could be fucking PC gamers with their latest game. Then lets see if they wouldnt cry just as loud in that situation.

People on PC and next gen arent even playing a polished game, despite running/looking better.

So yeah, everyone, even people enjoying the game, should demand for more.
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Fuck your need for empathy. If you want people to feel sorry for you, go peddle your shit elsewhere.

If you genuinely expect people to feel sorry for enjoying something because you aren't, you have more than a few screws loose.
 
Bo_Hazem said:
Get out of here. Mass Effect Andromeda combat and sounds are so satisfying. It's kinda the prowess of EA in general, gunfight gameplay and sounds.

Fallout is an ancient turd, Deus Ex is an outdated game so agree with you there.
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I guess I disagree ::shrugs:: but that's okay, you're still cool by me.
 
Games can be patched after they're released and consumers don't have to return their copies in exchange for new ones in order to experience the patches. Hence, a game that is released in a poor state should not be judged according to the standards that a movie is judged if it's released in a poor state.

Having said this, releasing a game in a poor state is still bad business and should be a valid reason for requesting a refund (if the person requesting a refund hasn't played it for a long period of time before returning it).
 
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