Cyberpunk vs Steampunk: Battle of the Underutilized Sub-genres

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Lazlo Woodbine said:
Yeah, watching the latest RedLetterMedia video was a bit of an eye opener. Never really knew goths gravitated to it though.

Sadly, yes. These sellout "old goths" who are getting on in years turn steampunk fans when they discover colors other than black.

Such sellouts. They deserve to be exiled from the goth community for changing like that, but unfortunately, the people that shape and guide goth culture are getting old and doing it as well.

There aren't many real goths left. :(
 
Both sub-genres are so awesome that it only takes one convincing, representative image to make me switch from one to the other as my favorite.

So far in this thread, however, cyberpunk seems to have the slight edge.
 
Steampunk is weird.

Cyberpunk is the philosophical questions we must face.

Cyberpunk is also badass.

Cyberpunk wins.
 
ChackanKun said:
They are both amazing AND under-used, but Steampunk movies are kind of rare right? :|

Wild Wild West was a summer blockbuster!
 
ChackanKun said:
They are both amazing AND under-used, but Steampunk movies are kind of rare right? :|
Yeah. I feel like Steampunk is more represented in graphic novels and literature than anything else.

Wild Wild West was an average-to-shitty movie, but at least they got the Western steampunk look right.
 
Guys, Steampunk has goggles. Everyone loves goggles.

But yeah, Cyberpunk is more enjoyable. Mostly because it always delves into variably-plausible programming/computer science concepts and I love that shit.
 
ScOULaris said:
Wild Wild West was an average-to-shitty movie, but at least they got the Western steampunk look right.

No no, it was shitty.
 
The newer Sherlock Holmes movie definitely had some steampunk elements to it, but I wouldn't say that the entire movie falls into that sub-genre. The setting was a traditional, albeit stylized, 19th-Century London.
 
Cyberpunk for me. Akira and Ghost in the Shell really captured me when I first saw them way back when. Now, I can't get enough cyberpunk. The Ghost in the Shell movies and tv shows, the Matrix, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Akira, and countless others are inspiring to me.

I'm not a fan of steampunk, but there is an anime called Last Exile and it seems to have the steampunk feel to it.
 
I enjoy both but I don't know how anyone can say that steampunk is somehow overplayed; maybe there's some ridiculous anime overload of the stuff in the last few years that I don't know about.

Realistically, cyberpunk is much more easily interpreted and it's often just generally overlapped with any futuristic themes. Steampunk's anachronisms on the other hand has a real awkward charm to it and I think it's a lot harder to create something in that theme without it becoming overly cheesy as people think.

I enjoy copious amounts of both, but I think every other futuristic story/game/movie will likely be heavily cyberpunk influenced just because of its ubiquity. Steampunk on the other hand, will always be a little rarer, despite some spikes in popularity here and there.
 
most steampunks are fantasy while cyberpunks always questions what constitute being human, which is very philosophical. Not saying Steampunks aren't philosophical, Bioshock was very good at it, but most were fantasy driven.
 
If you are trying to retrospectively fit Blade Runner into a somethingpunk genre then it fits better into Dieselpunk than Cyberpunk. But really this sort of thing is just a way to categorise things based on what sort of retro art and design they use with cyberpunk having a retro 70s/80s feel. Atompunk having a 50s/60s feel, Dieselpunk going back before that to the world wars and Steampunk going back to the industrial revolution.
 
I liked steampunk until I was exposed to its fans. It's the new furry or renfaire, in that it's another way for grown adults to play make-believe in costumes. The tropes and references outweigh the amount of good material being produced by far.

Cyberpunk lacks the same sort of hyper-focused and noisy fanbase. And as a section of general near-future speculative fiction, good cyberpunk allows for a lot of literary freedom and commentary without overreliance on tropes.


More Fun To Compute said:
If you are trying to retrospectively fit Blade Runner into a somethingpunk genre then it fits better into Dieselpunk than Cyberpunk. But really this sort of thing is just a way to categorise things based on what sort of retro art and design they use with cyberpunk having a retro 70s/80s feel. Atompunk having a 50s/60s feel, Dieselpunk going back before that to the world wars and Steampunk going back to the industrial revolution.
argh, see what I mean
 
ScOULaris said:
Most JRPG's toe the line between traditional fantasy and steampunk. They're hard to classify.

Well then we need a name for that ;) Medievalish stuff + semi-advanced technology.
 
More Fun To Compute said:
If you are trying to retrospectively fit Blade Runner into a somethingpunk genre then it fits better into Dieselpunk than Cyberpunk. But really this sort of thing is just a way to categorise things based on what sort of retro art and design they use with cyberpunk having a retro 70s/80s feel. Atompunk having a 50s/60s feel, Dieselpunk going back before that to the world wars and Steampunk going back to the industrial revolution.
Huh? Blade Runner is one of the definitive works of the cyberpunk genre. Definitive as in, the genre is at least partially defined through its influence. Dieselpunk? I don't see that at all.

Also, stuff like dieselpunk and steampunk are a subgenre of retro-futurism. Cyberpunk is just futurism. There's nothing retro about Blade Runner.
 
No mention of System Shock? That alone is enough to elevate cyberpunk over steampunk for me. No other game is as representative of the genre, in my opinion. The neon colors, the computer terminals chatting all around you, cyberspace, the evil artificial intelligence, the low quality music, etc.
 
Sqorgar said:
Huh? Blade Runner is one of the definitive works of the cyberpunk genre. Definitive as in, the genre is at least partially defined through its influence. Dieselpunk? I don't see that at all.

Also, stuff like dieselpunk and steampunk are a subgenre of retro-futurism. Cyberpunk is just futurism. There's nothing retro about Blade Runner.

Blade Runner is pre-cyberpunk. But it definitely goes for evoking what could be prototypical Dieselpunk influences like Cinema Noir and the film Metropolis. Blade Runner is a pretty retro film in terms of it's visual design but it does sort of deal with post modern themes like I think all "punk" genres are supposed to. That argument can be expanded though and you could say that Star Wars and Indiana Jones are also Dieselpunk. I don't know how useful it is to think of things as Dieselpunk or Cyberpunk but Cyberpunk definitely isn't simply futurism or maybe even futurism at all really.
 
I feel like whatever steampunk is, gets misconstrued. When people dress up they don't seem to take functionality into account. Google image search steampunk gun and all you come up with are guns with tons of ornate bronze/copper crap. People get the aesthetics... but they don't really think it through.

/old-man-yells-at-cloud
 
heliosRAzi said:
Cyberpunk for me. Akira and Ghost in the Shell really captured me when I first saw them way back when. Now, I can't get enough cyberpunk. The Ghost in the Shell movies and tv shows, the Matrix, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Akira, and countless others are inspiring to me.

I'm not a fan of steampunk, but there is an anime called Last Exile and it seems to have the steampunk feel to it.
Yeah Last Exile is pretty good steam punk. Also I guess you could count Howl's Moving Castle, Full Metal Alchemist, and Trigun as good steam punk too. Steam Boy. regardless of name, is bad steam punk. I really wanted to like it too. :(
 
ScOULaris said:
Most JRPG's toe the line between traditional fantasy and steampunk. They're hard to classify.
People needn't be putting things into boxes anyway. A work of art can have multiple genres.

Also, the Discworld series has some absolutely lovely steampunk elements.
 
fallengorn said:
I feel like whatever steampunk is, gets misconstrued. When people dress up they don't seem to take functionality into account. Google image search steampunk gun and all you come up with are guns with tons of ornate bronze/copper crap. People get the aesthetics... but they don't really think it through.

/old-man-yells-at-cloud

Which is imo the reason why it's hard to get steampunk right, in order for it to even remotely be believable you have to cram futuristic ideas with anachronistic elements and still make it believable that there's a reason for that to exist, even in a fictional world.

The_Technomancer said:
vadernooooooo

Fucking goggles...

Bitch you got problems with goggles?
 
Davidion said:
Bitch you got problems with goggles?
I haff a problem with what they represent. They are a symbol of the simplification of a genre of speculative fiction into a...a...fashion style!

*waves fist at cloud*
 
So cyberpunk is gritty futuristic sci-fi, and steampunk is fantasy with tech that runs on steam. Steampunk is much more specific in that regard, don't think it even deserve it's own genre, it's more of a style than anything.
 
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