Lactose_Intolerant
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Dallas Police Chief: "Were Asking Cops To Do Too Much In This Country"
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Welp, time to stop answering questions.
The quotes are taken a bit out of context, but he also mentioned gun regulations, mental health funding, and I almost want to say he mentions schools too. Essentially, his point is that the police can't fix all of society's problems and that cities are failing to do their job.
To recap: He's black and that's not what he was saying at all. The quote was taken out of context.
Thanks for this post. He's trying to make some interesting points, but kinda fumbled the delivery, unfortunately.
Read the post above, and actually look at a picture of the guy.
CrocMother
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I thought he did a great job. Some of the stuff he said was refreshing, like questioning open carry, calling out legislators and encouraging people who care about this stuff to sign up for the police force.
If you replace "deal with" it makes more sense. It's not that they have to fix it, it's that they have to factor it in and deal with it on top of policing.
Mental health and substance abuse are definitely there, and jail/prison researchers have been saying this for a long time. They are not trained or equipped to resolve those issues and the medical/welfare system is not doing it either so they go untreated and often re-offend for life.
This isn't nuance. This is a wordier way of phrasing blame blame black americans for the systemic issues they face at large aka "black on black crime, they're no saints anyway", etc. Same drivel, but from a self-hating black man this time. I don't fault him. To get to where he did in the system he has, he had to gulp some self-hating kool-aid. The psychological toll is real.
Nobody expects cops to do any of this shit he listed--this shit's no more than victim whining, just about god complex nonsense--which is the exact problems these trigger happy cops exhibit--fear tinged with ego. People just ask that cops do their job-- protect without bias. They have one job. Not the forty he just listed.
Pai Pai Master
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This. I get what he's saying. Society needs to fix these issues at the root cause through better understanding and legislation. But being overworked does not excuse what people are protesting about.
Like he literally says "get off the protest line and become a cop instead," that does nothing to solve their problem. There will still be other cops who unjustly kill black people and get away with it.
Cops are asked to "protect and serve." Yes, the problems society faces at large with race and other factors make this job harder. But it's still their job and we should expect them to do it while not randomly killing innocent people.
I know he's black. black people aren't removed from anti-blackness
Mammoth Jones
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Was he saying "Man, we gotta figure out a way to stop killing unarmed people and doing everything we can to ensure the officer stays on the force/doesn't go to jail?" cause I don't hear anything about that in his speech.
I really wish more people understood this.
"He's saying the same thing I'm thinking therefore I am not out of touch nor racist!"
Gordon Shumway
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Oh. In THAT case, he can sit on bladed dicks..
This is in response to the murder of his officers not to the BLM protests.
Those are two seperate issues.
Well that's a problem when you try to say too much, because unfortunately I think you lose the original point.
Corronchilejano
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The Police Chief has zero input into the legislative process.
CrocMother
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This was a press conference, not a speech.
It can be taken that way. I took it as single black mothers are consistently raising burdens to society.
He mentioned that being part of the community works by policing within the communities and trust with citizens is what will keep police safe. The part that OP mentioned was just a small portion of a rather lengthy QA.
Mammoth Jones
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Bullshit. He had plenty of other shit to rant about.
What part of "community policing" stops the fucking blue wall of silence? Or prosecutors that bend over backwards to make sure cops don't get indicted?
correct me if I'm wrong but I think what he's saying that kids are raised by single mothers and the police would then be expected to be / seen as the authoritarian figure (i.e. father).
could be way off base here. That's just how I read it.
Pai Pai Master
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Then why did he tell protesters to stop protesting and become a cop?
To be clear, he's not just passing the buck to avoid having to improve his police department. He's been making progress reforming since he took up the post.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertsamaha/dallas-police-numbers?utm_term=.wnV5zYEazB#.vxGREPNeEW
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ing-those-things-could-now-be-more-difficult/
Dallas PD still has work to do, but they trying. Progress is being made. It's never as quick as is wanted or needed, but it's still worth acknowledging. And if you look at the protest in Dallas vs the protest in Baton Rouge, it's night and day. Dallas had zero riot gear, no tear gas, etc -- they didn't bring in heavy equipment. They didn't surround protesters or drag anybody away. They didn't point guns at anybody or shout orders on a loud speaker. They blocked off streets for the protestors.
He's essentially saying "Be the change you want to see."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertsamaha/dallas-police-numbers?utm_term=.wnV5zYEazB#.vxGREPNeEW
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ing-those-things-could-now-be-more-difficult/
Dallas PD still has work to do, but they trying. Progress is being made. It's never as quick as is wanted or needed, but it's still worth acknowledging. And if you look at the protest in Dallas vs the protest in Baton Rouge, it's night and day. Dallas had zero riot gear, no tear gas, etc -- they didn't bring in heavy equipment. They didn't surround protesters or drag anybody away. They didn't point guns at anybody or shout orders on a loud speaker. They blocked off streets for the protestors.
He's essentially saying "Be the change you want to see."
Plinko
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We've had this discussion on GAF about the high percentage of black single-parent homes before, and statistics show that it is absolutely a legitimate issue that should be discussed. Not sure if the policeman chose the right venue, though.
The quote was taken out of context either way, so the point is moot regardless.
Yes, but if his response to protesters is "come join the police to fix this problem I just told you we can't fix" instead of "go protest the legislature since they have more control over the root causes of these issues", that doesn't make too much sense. Not to mention the fact that BLM protests are specifically about police interactions with their communities.
Yea i think his message is going to be lost when many actually agree with him. Police responsibilities and reach are too much. Police shouldn't be a part of our schools, handling mental health cases that aren't violent and really to his point even drug related cases. That should be handled by the DEA for major drug stings and your average cases of drug addiction and possession should be handled by some type of offshot from the DEA designed for help and rehabilitation instead of clogging up prisons and treating them like regular criminals and just churning them in the same system. Overall it would shrink the police presence in this country, allow them to refocus themselves and maybe, hopefully eliminate alot of the issues going on.
LegendofLex
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What do struggling schools, scores of broken families, and untreated or poorly treated mental health all have in common?
The answer: they produce people that end up running through the criminal justice system.
This guy's basically saying "we need to fix the things that end up putting all these people through the criminal justice system."
Mammoth Jones
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Wasn't this debunked as a myth?
Uh, yeah? If you give officers the resources needed to do their jobs well - hey, there's an increased chance of them doing their jobs well! That means safer officers and safer civilians.
CrocMother
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Because it's a good idea?
Not saying that protests should stop, but we clearly need progressive minded aware people in our police force.
I'm not making his point for him. No one expects cops to solve that problem. No one calls them to ask about that problem. People do not call the cops to babysit or ask for relationship advice.
Even if society is failing to help those people, no one is standing there and expecting cops to solve that situation. A lack of a solution doesn't makes them the solution by default. No one is asking them to help in that kind of situation, so he should act like people are. That's stupid.
Amory
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makes some good points.
nothing there to really disagree with. he's not saying he's in support of the policies that create the results cops need to deal with, just that they exist and make the policing job a lot harder and more stressful than it used to be.
no real way to argue with that.
but cops are in charge of training their own people on the appropriate use of force, and that needs to change regardless of how hard the job is.
nothing there to really disagree with. he's not saying he's in support of the policies that create the results cops need to deal with, just that they exist and make the policing job a lot harder and more stressful than it used to be.
no real way to argue with that.
but cops are in charge of training their own people on the appropriate use of force, and that needs to change regardless of how hard the job is.
Gordon Shumway
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Watch as that 70% shit gets looked over..tired of hearing it. It seems to be followed by
dumb shit..
Either way that point is irrelevant to the issue everyone is protesting
The OP needs to add the NPR article. He is right in that the lawmakers are leaving the cops out there to take the heat when they can't do much about existing laws and address so many things. Also, voting in asshole politicians.
Also, more minorities and people with the mindset that join these protests would make law enforcement better (diversity always improves a workplace). It's not that simple but it's a good step on the path to correcting this.
Also, more minorities and people with the mindset that join these protests would make law enforcement better (diversity always improves a workplace). It's not that simple but it's a good step on the path to correcting this.
Did you just ignore the rest of my post highlighting the fact that he's fired over 70 officers and put in new policies that have reduced the use of force and increased transparency..?
Corronchilejano
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His response is more akin to: "We're doing everything we can. You can help us from the inside by becoming one of us."
He does what he can with what he's got.
Is that a legit statistic?
CrocMother
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That's taking what he said and warping it to fit your own point of view.
Oh, yes they do.
Then why did he tell protesters to stop protesting and essentially become cops to help fix issues that they can't fix?
I get what he's saying and I get he was answering questions but I feel like he just brought up a laundry list of (legit) complaints about societal issues. But I'm not expecting police to fix anything but themselves.
His ire is directed at legislators, teachers, bad parents. He is not talking about BLM directly. He is addressing society.
BronsonLee
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What part of that reads as a joke? Why would I joke about this?
I'm not gonna browbeat him for it. He handled questions badly.
ghostwritingduck
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I think his wording could be better, but the idea that people rely on police and prison to solve society's problems has some accuracy. More resources should be invested into poorer communities to provide education and opportunities.
I ment that more as " he thinks the solution is" I probably could've worded that better.
old manatee
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His point would be clearer if he blamed Reagan.
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