Though I think you realized that's not really what I said anyway. The info from Star not bluffing on being an overridder is already a lot but I was in the camp of her just stacking it into the highest votee anyway.
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Danganronpa 3 Mafia |OT| Side: Scum
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Though I think you realized that's not really what I said anyway. The info from Star not bluffing on being an overridder is already a lot but I was in the camp of her just stacking it into the highest votee anyway.
CrimsonFist
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An up to date vote count can be found here.
Majority is 7
Day Ends:
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An up to date vote count can be found here.
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Maybe not quite tunneling, but he had posts reminiscent to Pop where he got quite mad when people ignored Quantum.
I think I'm going to post a read list. Maybe. Need to find a computer.
Blargonaut
Banned
I know I'm gonna be gone soon; I don't have to fight you, Natiko, but I will just 'cause
yep
and so you describe "what happened previously"--
yep; Roles, specifically Powers, not Alignments
yep
hence my endearingly flippant corrective statement addressed to you, post-Post #whatevernumberthispostisthatI'mchewingonrightnow:
Which is proof that I had INDEED endeavoured to address your case against me, even though you just said above that I hadn't.
yep, great deduction
and here we went
You know, I CAN look objectively at my current player self, at any time. I do it all the time in fact, it's how I build character, yeah? For instance, to you, and everyone else; I imagine I DO appear quite chaotic, "scrambling", a shambling laze that prays for the ooze I trail to moisturise my return trips down all my myriad ways. I imagine I DO appear quite a liar, and both my imagination and you would be correct, mostly.
But, you see, I do it as bait--
--all possible possibilities--
--coalescing into the product I hope to tease out of all players' mouths:
Theories. If I don't get you thinking, who will? Your speculation above is excellent, it's quite well thought-out and extrapolated to logical ends; all plausibilities, given what I've stated.
However, your theories, much too conveniently put aside the the context in which Faddy's death occurred; by that, I mean the context of the other 3 deaths during N1.
You narrowed your angle of attack straight to a comparative N1 showdown of possibilities involving only Faddy and I. And while they are all possibilities, they are undeniably overshadowed by what you deigned to not include: *Splinter, and his Town-aligned Vigilante Role.
A common tactic for a Town Vigilante, especially in the event of a Daytime tie, is to specifically target one of the subjects of the tie and kill them, so that at least half of the time spent in the Day's pursuits of the two, was not in vain.
Since Faddy turned up dead, we know *Splinter was a Vigilante and given the commonality of this Vigilante tactic; even after considering me in the equation of the N1 deaths, I BELIEVE that what most likely happened is that *Splinter killed Faddy according to that common tactic, after deliberating between whether to take me out or Faddy. That's the simplest explanation given the evidence, circumstantial or otherwise.
So, when you say things like this:
--I objectively, think about why. Why would I need to kill Faddy in order for me to figure out what my claims should be Today? Reading what I claimed, irregardless of activation time, I would've copied his Role, his Powers, and have all the Faddy intel I needed, without having to kill him at all. I had no possible motive for killing him. I took everything I needed from him without having to resort to violence.
So, why would you say this about me?
That's where your theory about me, Natiko, falls apart, and all that's left of it is a clear view of your own motives in cornering me against Faddy like that.
As a scum, you and your scummy friends know I'm a nigh-effortless shoe-in for a D2 lynch given my D1 antics, and it's clear by your narrowed theorising which excluded *Splinter and his Role, that your intent was to box me in, paint me as the killer despite me having no reason to be given what's in front of us, and finish me off.
UNVOTE
VOTE: Natiko
yep
and so you describe "what happened previously"--
yep; Roles, specifically Powers, not Alignments
yep
hence my endearingly flippant corrective statement addressed to you, post-Post #whatevernumberthispostisthatI'mchewingonrightnow:
Which is proof that I had INDEED endeavoured to address your case against me, even though you just said above that I hadn't.
yep, great deduction
and here we went
You know, I CAN look objectively at my current player self, at any time. I do it all the time in fact, it's how I build character, yeah? For instance, to you, and everyone else; I imagine I DO appear quite chaotic, "scrambling", a shambling laze that prays for the ooze I trail to moisturise my return trips down all my myriad ways. I imagine I DO appear quite a liar, and both my imagination and you would be correct, mostly.
But, you see, I do it as bait--
--all possible possibilities--
--coalescing into the product I hope to tease out of all players' mouths:
Theories. If I don't get you thinking, who will? Your speculation above is excellent, it's quite well thought-out and extrapolated to logical ends; all plausibilities, given what I've stated.
However, your theories, much too conveniently put aside the the context in which Faddy's death occurred; by that, I mean the context of the other 3 deaths during N1.
You narrowed your angle of attack straight to a comparative N1 showdown of possibilities involving only Faddy and I. And while they are all possibilities, they are undeniably overshadowed by what you deigned to not include: *Splinter, and his Town-aligned Vigilante Role.
A common tactic for a Town Vigilante, especially in the event of a Daytime tie, is to specifically target one of the subjects of the tie and kill them, so that at least half of the time spent in the Day's pursuits of the two, was not in vain.
Since Faddy turned up dead, we know *Splinter was a Vigilante and given the commonality of this Vigilante tactic; even after considering me in the equation of the N1 deaths, I BELIEVE that what most likely happened is that *Splinter killed Faddy according to that common tactic, after deliberating between whether to take me out or Faddy. That's the simplest explanation given the evidence, circumstantial or otherwise.
So, when you say things like this:
--I objectively, think about why. Why would I need to kill Faddy in order for me to figure out what my claims should be Today? Reading what I claimed, irregardless of activation time, I would've copied his Role, his Powers, and have all the Faddy intel I needed, without having to kill him at all. I had no possible motive for killing him. I took everything I needed from him without having to resort to violence.
So, why would you say this about me?
That's where your theory about me, Natiko, falls apart, and all that's left of it is a clear view of your own motives in cornering me against Faddy like that.
As a scum, you and your scummy friends know I'm a nigh-effortless shoe-in for a D2 lynch given my D1 antics, and it's clear by your narrowed theorising which excluded *Splinter and his Role, that your intent was to box me in, paint me as the killer despite me having no reason to be given what's in front of us, and finish me off.
UNVOTE
VOTE: Natiko
OceanicAir
Member
What else is it based on then? On your last reads list you placed me and flux on null. Pretty much every time you bring me alignment up it is in regard to my FA first and foremost. There has been discussion about my alignment much like there has been discussion on half of the other player's alignment (nin, bronx, royal, blarg, kark) or null readings for others in stan and kitty.
Royal_Flush
Member
Okay, now I'm at your disposal.
I don't see myself going for Flux today. Of course his (claimed) FA is not alignment indicative, but I haven't seen anything damning by him and have a generally neutral to positive gut feeling about him.
Bronx-man didn't look good at all today. You will get lynched soon if you don't step up your game. And don't expect me to defend you if you keep staying at the sidelines. The fact that you insisted on your anti-terra-voter stance even against heavy backlash only gets you that far into town territory.
Can't really say much about Nin. Surely not particularly Town reading him, but his shitpost heavy playstyle makes it hard to read him in general.
I'm feeling rather ok about Kingkitty. While not really impactful his regular readlists on a seemingly random selection of players with not a ton in-between is typical for him if I remember correctly.
I don't see myself going for Flux today. Of course his (claimed) FA is not alignment indicative, but I haven't seen anything damning by him and have a generally neutral to positive gut feeling about him.
Bronx-man didn't look good at all today. You will get lynched soon if you don't step up your game. And don't expect me to defend you if you keep staying at the sidelines. The fact that you insisted on your anti-terra-voter stance even against heavy backlash only gets you that far into town territory.
Can't really say much about Nin. Surely not particularly Town reading him, but his shitpost heavy playstyle makes it hard to read him in general.
I'm feeling rather ok about Kingkitty. While not really impactful his regular readlists on a seemingly random selection of players with not a ton in-between is typical for him if I remember correctly.
I was referring to your contradiction regarding copying Faddy's FA. You clearly implicated it was copied by saying you needed to kill Kark, even tried to bargain to get him lynched, and then more recently said that you do not copy FAs.
The issue is you misunderstood my theory. My "Blarg is a killer" theory was that you do not copy roles at all. That the entire thing was a lie and that you instead could be a SK or something of that nature. I explicitly said you could be lying and just have a killing power. At no point was I implying in that theory you have a killing power AND copy someone else's power. My argument as to why you would then kill Faddy is that as the last person to vote on you, you claimed you would copy his role which to live in D2 would mean you would need to know his role, i.e. you then kill him to reveal his role so you can't be counterclaimed by Faddy himself had he lived. I did actually consider Splinter in all this but did not post about it as I was discussing you, a still living player, but if you want I will go back and quote the posts from Splinter towards the end of D1 where he clearly indicates he does not trust AbsolutBro.
Royal_Flush
Member
What is this? Blarg explaining how his characters work? That reads like the mental breakdown of some mad movie villain.
StarSketch
Banned
I can bump it to 3:30 (Half an hour before game end my time) I need to go make lunch anyway.
That enough time?
Blargonaut
Banned
I said no and I meant it
I mean we had conversations directly between us where I said it didn't seem like you were very engaged. You post minimally and when you do post it was mostly spent defending yourself as opposed to trying to solve. A player that does not seem interested in figuring things out sticks out to me.
Royal_Flush
Member
Just to get this straight, dousing means something like Kingkitty's burning taco place and not just a delayed kill, right?
Delaying it any further isn't really important to me. I mean, what are you planning to do? Not about the time, but what do you actually want to do with the override? Just go with whatever the majority wants?
I still don't think he's telling the truth on this, which is part of why I'm voting for him in the first place. But, if he is, I would think it's the former, and that the person would need to douse and successfully burn multiple people at once to win. I'd have to think they're neutral, and not some other kind of town vigilante, or a scum ability.
StarSketch
Banned
My gut's saying go for Blarg right now, though it looks like he's vote leader anyway, so
I get that sorian loves to talk down on people but what is it in your eyes that make my posts less valuable ?
I caught up early in the morning and responded to the posts that I found most important. Too bad that at that time no one else was awake and/or willing to make a post. So of course I almost filled up a page with posts. Would you have preferred to make one giant post instead of 10 ? Sorry but I don't agree that my posts are shit or I am shitposting.
Usually yes, it's a mark for death and the person can choose at anytime to kill everyone marked at once. It's a flavor thin though, it could just be a delayed kill. We've also had it where it meant nothing.
just so there's zero confusion, if he wasn't vote leader, you would have still picked Blarg?
OceanicAir
Member
The only person I've defended myself from is you Natiko. Was the effort that you said I put in only related to defending myself?
StarSketch
Banned
Hey, Royal, you need to fix your site's security Certificate, Firefox flips out every time I go on your site.
StarSketch
Banned
Yeah. I've seen some good points on Bronx being super passive, and I need to backread for the argument against you again.
Good point. I want to get it out of the way though because of the whole deadline thing.
That's simply not true. These are all in response to different people.
It's a better look when your posts are more like the following:
Sure, you defend yourself but you then go on to give reads and contribute. We even had a back and forth on this one. That's actual discussion. That's beneficial.
Blargonaut
Banned
The point you're making in that sentence, does not make any sense; you're suggesting that I somehow knew beforehand that Faddy had a killing-capable Role, so I killed him with my own killing Role so that I could cover my own killing Role with his killing Role?
What would then be the point of Faddy existing, if I, prior to N1, had knowledge that he had a killing Role while I was a killer myself? Are you saying that the host would introduce such Roles into this game, killers who have the pre-game start knowledge of which other players are also killers? There would be no reason for them to avoid each other N1, they'd target each other for dominance in a heartbeat. There'd also be no reason for just one killer to know the other one is also a killer, then one player is as good as Mod-killed N1.
And, if you consider this theory of yours in the light of the 3 N1 deaths that hint that there is the possibility that mutually-targeted killings may potentially occur in this game? That's absurd.
This is the gap in your theories that is suspicious. It is you who has been caught out in your own design.
Her last post led me to me questioning that she would not use it after all
Just wanted to be sure about it. Thanks for clarifying sketch
CrimsonFist
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fluxwavez (0)
karkador 1183 (1227)
blargonaut 1324 (1634)
sorian (0)
karkador 1227 (1654)
oceanicair (0)
natiko 1241 (1416)
blargonaut 1290 (1324)
starsketch (0)
ty4on 1262 (1563)
nin1000 (0)
sorian 1269 (1696)
fluxwavez 1284 (1359)
natiko 1416 (1642)
blargonaut 1634 (1704)
blargonaut (4)
fluxwavez 1359
bronx-man 1645
karkador 1654
natiko 1719
bronx-man (3)
kingkitty 1402
stanleypalmtree 1636
sorian 1696
kingkitty (2)
ty4on 1563
nin1000 1620
natiko (1)
blargonaut 1704
An up to date vote count can be found here.
Majority is 7
Day Ends:
fluxwavez (0)
sorian (0)
oceanicair (0)
starsketch (0)
nin1000 (0)
blargonaut (4)
fluxwavez 1359
bronx-man 1645
karkador 1654
natiko 1719
bronx-man (3)
kingkitty 1402
stanleypalmtree 1636
sorian 1696
kingkitty (2)
ty4on 1563
nin1000 1620
natiko (1)
blargonaut 1704
An up to date vote count can be found here.
Majority is 7
Day Ends:
I'd probably vote for her and I think Ty4on would too if she didn't. Now that it's revealed the utility is lost anyway.
No, I am not suggesting that at all. What are you talking about Blarg? I'm suggesting Faddy was the last vote on you. You claimed whoever last voted for you would be copied. If you were lying about that entire claim and instead are a SK then you would choose to kill Faddy in order to reveal his role that way you knew what to talk about on D2. The fact that you then realized Faddy had a kill is what led to you telling everyone to not leave any votes on you as then you have an explanation for multiple night kills the following night. "Totally not a SK, just me your friendly town version of Faddy". I'm not sure if you're purposefully misconstruing things or not, but it's getting a tad ridiculous. Nothing about my theory indicates anyone knew anyone else's role or alignment in advance.
A couple of town reads
I have a very slight town read on Sorian. I read his town play as scum the last few games and looking back at his scum games he seems more certain and more focused on explaining his reads than here.
Natiko same. No scum game here to compare to, but he is generally playing like when he was town. One potentally scummy thing is scum reading AB, but never going very far with it, but on the other hand his AB read seemed somewhat genuine.
My Royal Flush read is still the same. It hasn't gotten any stronger, but I still don't see him as scum. His tone is different and the posts don't look like obligations.
Karkador is very unlikely scum from his role and his play has been typical Kark. Like Natiko he's never been scum, but his tone feels genuine when he tunnels in on someone and I'm not sure how well that could be copied.
Blarg is weird af to read, but he seems mostly town. He has made a gambit as scum, but it failed because he was honest and got counterclaimed. His scum play in general seems a lot fluffier. As town he will prod people a lot (in a Blarg way) and build up crazy cases against people. That to me looks like his play here. He doesn't have much of a reason (any?) to go so hard against Kark, but he does. His D1 play only gave him a boat load of attention, but I can see town Blarg doing that to look at reactions.
As scum Blarg can get away with playing "like Blarg" so I don't see why his odd play should be scum indicative.
I have a very slight town read on Sorian. I read his town play as scum the last few games and looking back at his scum games he seems more certain and more focused on explaining his reads than here.
Natiko same. No scum game here to compare to, but he is generally playing like when he was town. One potentally scummy thing is scum reading AB, but never going very far with it, but on the other hand his AB read seemed somewhat genuine.
My Royal Flush read is still the same. It hasn't gotten any stronger, but I still don't see him as scum. His tone is different and the posts don't look like obligations.
Karkador is very unlikely scum from his role and his play has been typical Kark. Like Natiko he's never been scum, but his tone feels genuine when he tunnels in on someone and I'm not sure how well that could be copied.
Blarg is weird af to read, but he seems mostly town. He has made a gambit as scum, but it failed because he was honest and got counterclaimed. His scum play in general seems a lot fluffier. As town he will prod people a lot (in a Blarg way) and build up crazy cases against people. That to me looks like his play here. He doesn't have much of a reason (any?) to go so hard against Kark, but he does. His D1 play only gave him a boat load of attention, but I can see town Blarg doing that to look at reactions.
As scum Blarg can get away with playing "like Blarg" so I don't see why his odd play should be scum indicative.
StarSketch
Banned
OceanicAir
Member
So Stan and Faddy? Because the other one is in response to you. And they were one offs talking about inactivity, but either way I haven't spent my time defending myself from attackers.
The posts I've seen from kingkitty feel like obligations. He kinda plays like that to begin with, but I don't get the sense he's that interested in players' alignments. He made an early vote for Terra which was kinda townie, but it did come after Terra got flak for turbo hysteria and kitty never seemed terribly interested in Terra. Right as Terra claimed he posted that he was against suicide. I think being pro suicide is townie, scum know he's probably town and don't wanna fall into that mess. Then as the day ends he puts his vote on Bronx who was third, but nowhere near the two tied. If Blarg is town this is a very convenient vote to avoid ending up on the presumed townie flip.
I find this townie too tbh
I find this townie too tbh
StarSketch
Banned
All right, let's do this.
Muhahahaha go my underlings, destroy Blargonaut
Muhahahaha go my underlings, destroy Blargonaut
Yeah, it's because you lie a lot and lied to me in Night Vale ;_;
CrimsonFist
Member
Day 2 has ended
You haven't spent your time solving very often either. That's my entire point. It's not exclusive to you either. I think Flux and Stanley look worse for it because Flux has posted far more but not actually contributed a ton more and Stanley has contributed even less than you I would say.
I feel like you think I'm attacking you even now and saying we should lynch you when I am not. IF we were to go with you or Flux I already said it should be Flux and that by doing so we may get an idea of if there is some commonality between him and you.
CrimsonFist
Member
At the sound of that commanding voice, a voice ringing with authority that they couldn't help but follow, the future foundation turned as directed towards Blargonaut. As they attacked, beneath the screams and cries, another faint sound could be heard:
Blargonaut has died
Night Ends:
All night actions are due 1 hour before the deadline.
♪ BELIEVE it or not, Blarg is not in his room, pls
Leave a message, (don't) PM me
But if you have died, thanks for calling it off
I'm so sorry~
BELIEVE it or not, wasn't me ♫
Leave a message, (don't) PM me
But if you have died, thanks for calling it off
I'm so sorry~
BELIEVE it or not, wasn't me ♫
Blargonaut has died
Night Ends:
All night actions are due 1 hour before the deadline.
CrimsonFist
Member
End of day 2 vote count:
karkador (0)
sorian 1151 (1201)
fluxwavez (0)
karkador 1183 (1227)
blargonaut 1324 (1634)
sorian (0)
karkador 1227 (1654)
oceanicair (0)
natiko 1241 (1416)
blargonaut 1290 (1324)
starsketch (0)
ty4on 1262 (1563)
nin1000 (0)
sorian 1269 (1696)
fluxwavez 1284 (1359)
natiko 1416 (1642)
blargonaut 1634 (1704)
blargonaut (4)
fluxwavez 1359
bronx-man 1645
karkador 1654
natiko 1719
bronx-man (3)
kingkitty 1402
stanleypalmtree 1636
sorian 1696
kingkitty (2)
ty4on 1563
nin1000 1620
natiko (1)
blargonaut 1704
karkador (0)
fluxwavez (0)
sorian (0)
oceanicair (0)
starsketch (0)
nin1000 (0)
blargonaut (4)
fluxwavez 1359
bronx-man 1645
karkador 1654
natiko 1719
bronx-man (3)
kingkitty 1402
stanleypalmtree 1636
sorian 1696
kingkitty (2)
ty4on 1563
nin1000 1620
natiko (1)
blargonaut 1704
CrimsonFist
Member
A message from the dead:
Blarg's Will said: