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Danganronpa Mafia |OT| Grin and Bear It
- Thread starter LaunchpadMcQ
- Start date
- I know there is someone else with the same role, but the role PM doesn't name them
- We are bulletproof
- We stay in our rooms
- If one of us blocks a night kill, both of us are notified via PM
Name claim
Ability claim
CornBurrito
Member
Well I've already made my position on Sawneeks extremely clear lol.
As for why no Royal Flush, that's because I felt Vivi was not Despair. I'm still working under the assumption that Despair wanted Czar alive that day. Vivi was critical in putting Czar in the majority. Vivi, Kalor, and Zipped actually. And what do you know, we have confirmation that Kalor is Hope and near 100% confirmation Zipped is Hope. I'm 2/3. I'm willing to assume I'm correct about Vivi/Royal as well.
CornBurrito
Member
At the risk of sounding Despair. I'm not sure what is left to discuss today. Or rather, if we want to discuss more we should discuss anything that isn't the mimic, Sawneeks, and Splinter.
I'll post why here.
1. We are certain there is a mimic at play.
2. The mimic did not show up on N1
2a. I am assuming that this means the mimic needed N1 to prepare their power
2b. To prepare their power they either needed to:
1. Go to Kalor's room on N1
2. PM Launch their disguise name during N1 and only N1.
If 1 is true, Sawneeks is almost certainly the mimic or at the very least Despair. She claimed to see Crab, Czar, and Salva on N1. But her room is right in front of Kalor's so there's no way she didn't see the mimic.
If 2 is true, *Splinter is the mimic for reasons already outlined by Pau.
My vote today is for Vote: Splinter
I'll post why here.
1. We are certain there is a mimic at play.
2. The mimic did not show up on N1
2a. I am assuming that this means the mimic needed N1 to prepare their power
2b. To prepare their power they either needed to:
1. Go to Kalor's room on N1
2. PM Launch their disguise name during N1 and only N1.
If 1 is true, Sawneeks is almost certainly the mimic or at the very least Despair. She claimed to see Crab, Czar, and Salva on N1. But her room is right in front of Kalor's so there's no way she didn't see the mimic.
If 2 is true, *Splinter is the mimic for reasons already outlined by Pau.
My vote today is for Vote: Splinter
Pau's post was a rehash of already discussed ideas, weird that you are jumping on that post when Ty4on, Royal and myself had already begun discussing other possibilities
CornBurrito
Member
Frankly, I don't find those other possibilities all that convincing.
I mean did you read this part of the conversation? Pau's post basically assumes b-e are false and then reiterates that the only other option is a
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
We need to wait and see what Sawneeks has to say before we start writing today off.
Basically this.
Umm, I'm just outlining the sceanario that would make a) true, not saying it's the only option. You'll notice I didn't even vote for you. You guys never outlined the scenario which made it hard for me to follow so i typed it up. Seriously is there anything wrong with trying to think it through more?
CornBurrito
Member
Royal's B I find unlikely.
Royal's C I find unlikely as well. I trust Pau and Ty4on. Though I'll admit is possible for them to be Despair. After all, Pau did refuse to out who redacted was. And AB's stunt is what made us all aware of a mimic in the first place. However, there were legit reasons for not outing Kalor. So personally I don't find C worth considering until AFTER I know your or Sawneeks alignment
And well, as for your D and E. I've been suspicious of you since D3 so quite frankly I'm not considering them either.
If Pau and/or Ty4on are Despair, this game got a whole lot more complicated.
Okay well maybe not all Hope thinks it's obvious (I certainly had to think about it but hey maybe I'm just an idiot). And I think if we're trying to help Hope it's pretty important to make our arguments and lines of thought as clear as possible and not to take them for granted.
Apologies for not being on much today. With it being a holiday and not having work/classes I've been busy with family get-togethers. I can answer some questions on mobile but I won't have full computer access until tonight.
However I do want to give props to AB, I fully believed he was a sleepwalker and it was a great way to mask his investigations. When I have time I hope to go over the past few days and see what he has hinted at to see if we missed something. I still don't think we should write off those AB avoided or vouched for because he only saw the name of their role, not their alignment. As CzarTim ''s role name shows they often have no indication of alignment in them.
I also see a lot of people are suspicious of me because of my actions and because of my involvement in fight Club. At the way things are going I do wish to clear myself of these suspicions as best I can so questions are welcome. However, I'm not sure where I can ease these feelings as most people don't believe what I say regardless. I am tempted to role claim if this would help but, as I just said, people don't believe what I say at all so I'm not sure where this would help.
Also, as many of you have noted already, I move only on Odd Number Nights meaning I moved last night as well. However the individual I saw is definitely going to fuel those of you who out right distrust my movement at night. The only person I ran in to last night was AbsolutBro. I can only assume that he was on his way to investigate me and my role as I had gained quite a lot of suspicion in the last couple of days and he wanted to know my role title.
As for the investigations for the day I can already tell a lot of it will be placed upon me. I wish it will not end up this way as it will be needless tunneling of a Hope player when we should be focusing on finding the new mimic and other Despair members. I see a lot being placed on Splinter as being the mimic so I will look into that when I have the time to do so.
However I do want to give props to AB, I fully believed he was a sleepwalker and it was a great way to mask his investigations. When I have time I hope to go over the past few days and see what he has hinted at to see if we missed something. I still don't think we should write off those AB avoided or vouched for because he only saw the name of their role, not their alignment. As CzarTim ''s role name shows they often have no indication of alignment in them.
I also see a lot of people are suspicious of me because of my actions and because of my involvement in fight Club. At the way things are going I do wish to clear myself of these suspicions as best I can so questions are welcome. However, I'm not sure where I can ease these feelings as most people don't believe what I say regardless. I am tempted to role claim if this would help but, as I just said, people don't believe what I say at all so I'm not sure where this would help.
Also, as many of you have noted already, I move only on Odd Number Nights meaning I moved last night as well. However the individual I saw is definitely going to fuel those of you who out right distrust my movement at night. The only person I ran in to last night was AbsolutBro. I can only assume that he was on his way to investigate me and my role as I had gained quite a lot of suspicion in the last couple of days and he wanted to know my role title.
As for the investigations for the day I can already tell a lot of it will be placed upon me. I wish it will not end up this way as it will be needless tunneling of a Hope player when we should be focusing on finding the new mimic and other Despair members. I see a lot being placed on Splinter as being the mimic so I will look into that when I have the time to do so.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Odd nights, huh?
I think I know your role, mind if I hazard a guess?
I think I know your role, mind if I hazard a guess?
CornBurrito
Member
Actually can we put this to a vote? Is it best for Sawneeks to role claim completely at this point?
Personally my gut says "yes" because most of the PRs are already outed at this point. If Hope/Neutral aligned, her days are numbered anyway.
Personally my gut says "yes" because most of the PRs are already outed at this point. If Hope/Neutral aligned, her days are numbered anyway.
I'm curious. What does me role claiming prove? This is more so directed at Makai because of how eagerly you want me to claim but this also goes for Corn, Ty4on, and by extension TB (although not so much here, but I still want to hear thoughts) . All of you have wanted me to state what my role is but have not given me a reason as to why I should other than "you probably should".
Zippedpinhead
Member
Shower thought:
All these people had seen Pau at night, how come no one has seen Ty4on?
I don't understand how AB could have moved like he did and have never seen Ty4on... Unless Ty4on doesn't break rules as part of his job... Which is weird because Pau knows him and she breaks rules.
Trying to make this make sense hurts my head though...
All these people had seen Pau at night, how come no one has seen Ty4on?
I don't understand how AB could have moved like he did and have never seen Ty4on... Unless Ty4on doesn't break rules as part of his job... Which is weird because Pau knows him and she breaks rules.
Trying to make this make sense hurts my head though...
Today is Day 6. You do not help us by keeping quiet about whatever every-other night power you have. Power roles need to clue us in 100% on what's going on. No more of this <redacted> nonsense. It made sense for power roles to be coy early on, but it is now the late game and you are hampering our deduction by being vague. You are either Despair or marked for death and you need to tell us everything. Name. Ability. Every action taken. Every person seen in the hallways. Hey, I'll go first so you know what I want:
My list of unknown alignments has gotten really short and one of those is my buddy. It's down to just 7 people after they claim:
Really, everyone should come clean today. Collectively, we have all the information we need to close this out. Let's narrow this shit down. This is pretty much how Archer cleaned up so quickly.
Tell me why I am wrong.
Town wants Mafia to target normal towns. This won't happen if power roles reveal themselves early. In the late game, Mafia knows all or nearly all of the power roles. At this point, Town needs to coordinate. This is especially true in a game where most power roles are super-watchers. Now, I made an exception to this because my role puts me in a unique position. I am bulletproof Hope and I can waste a night kill if Despair targets me. I announced that I am a power role and insisted everyone else kept quiet so that I would be the most viable night kill target. Didn't happen, so I came clean. This gave Town more information to work with.
We basically only have two power roles left so when they're gone hope will know next to nothing of what is going on in the corridors. I agree they should reveal who they saw, but not the specifics of the role because that could get them killed or made into an even bigger target. AB lying D3 helped town, as did Despair not knowing what to target N3 and N4.
We have five power roles left.
Nah, we learned very little and now Despair has someone they can ignore. It would have been a different story had you been hit and told us.
You and your buddy can't tell us anything about rule breakers though.
They can't kill me or my partner at night. That is huge in the late game. You're kidding if you don't think that counts.
How does outing everything about my role help town? I completely agree with getting rid of the whole redacted nonsense as it leaves Town confused and ends with situations similar to the end of the previous Day. But this can be discarded without having to be 100% open about role specifics. And why are you throwing this solely at me? By your definition both Ty4on and Pau are "hindering town" by not being completely forthcoming about their fight Club activities yet I don't see this being thrown at them.
And for the record I still don't know what to make of your 'lucky buddy' claim. 2 Hope roles that are safe from NKs? And Lovers/Masons in a single game? That seems way too strong.
And for the record I still don't know what to make of your 'lucky buddy' claim. 2 Hope roles that are safe from NKs? And Lovers/Masons in a single game? That seems way too strong.
Christina Mackenzie
Member
Makai, if you're lying and Despair, you've gotten a free pass from all of us. That's a risk this late in the game as well.
So far no one else has corroborated with your story.
So far no one else has corroborated with your story.
I agree, Pau/Ty need to stop keeping the rest of Town in the dark. But I am holding your feet to the fire and not theirs because you are probably scum. You go out every other night and have only been seen on Night 1. Hmm...
I can't answer questions about game balance. I don't know the other roles.
CornBurrito
Member
We also should keep in mind that a Neutral role does exist. And either that Neutral role cannot kill (idk how they'd win then), or is holding off on kills for some strange ass reason.
Out of curiosity, can multiple factions win in Mafia? Obviously Despair and Hope cannot both win, but could their conceivably be a Neutral role that has a win condition that isn't mutually exclusive with Hope or Despair's condition?
Out of curiosity, can multiple factions win in Mafia? Obviously Despair and Hope cannot both win, but could their conceivably be a Neutral role that has a win condition that isn't mutually exclusive with Hope or Despair's condition?
It's obvious from their silence that my buddy is trying for a night kill block. I think narrowing down the suspect list is more important when we're this close to the end, but hey it's their call. I'm not worried because they'll just claim if I'm at risk of getting lynched.
Yep. Neutral won with Hope in Star Wars.
And? It is unfortunate that those I saw Night 1 and 5 died (well, all unfortunate except for CzarTim) and Night 3 happened to be our mimic friend. I can't control that. And by that logic you should be going after Ty4on as much as me because he has not been seen either.
You can't question the game balance but I sure can question your claim. It just doesn't sound plausible and the fact that your so called lucky buddy hasn't even said a word makes your claim even less likely to be true.
I have also given thought to the idea that maybe your claim is true but your so called buddy is actually Despair. Why else would they not come forward and clear you? Let you take all the flak by looking fake in order to get you lynched. I can't say I put much stock into this theory but it can be a possibility.
AbsolutBro saw Pau, though. Ty and Pau vouch for each other. If we find out one is Despair, we lynch them both.
Scroll up for the answer to your last question.
Christina Mackenzie
Member
Right now, I see the roaming PRs as higher priority targets for Despair (assuming they are both Hope). Either way, I've brought this matter up twice already so I'm going to drop it but if both Pau and Sawneeks are gone, I strongly urge everyone to think twice about this claim.
CornBurrito
Member
I think if we ever get to the point where we truly think Ty or Pau are Despair, we should lynch Ty first.
My reasoning is that Ty is the one who started the whole "oh they must be lovers/masons!" thing with his "I know Pau's alignment." If he is Hope there's literally zero reason for him to lie about Pau's alignment or his knowledge of it. We'd clear two people for the price of one.
CornBurrito
Member
Actually I don't think you've ever answered this Pau. If you did I missed it.
Ty said he was certain of your alignment. Are you certain of his?
Ty said he was certain of your alignment. Are you certain of his?
I mean...I agree with you lol. On the other hand, it's at least possible for Mafia to target my buddy; some think that Despair wasted two nights trying to kill Pau/Ty and Sawneeks seems scummy. I'm not sweating at all since they can reveal when it becomes necessary. I'm basically safe from both Hope and Despair. 8)
CornBurrito
Member
Personally I think Makai's role claim only becomes an issue if we can't eliminate say... 2 more Despair before all the Hope aligned roaming PRs are dead. If we can eliminate 1 or 2 more Despair before then, we'll have enough wiggle room to actually threaten to lynch Makai. If we still think he might be Despair at that time. In the meantime, if he is being truthful I do think it best for his buddy to stay quiet.
In the dark about what? Where we chose to go each night? How in the world does this help Hope more than Despair?
I remember answering it, but yes, I am certain he's Hope.
Yes, you did. It was Kalor. I explained why I didn't confirm after AB outed him.
sandalphon
Member
In lieu of my usual reads in which I bunched a number of players together, I present a more uncategorised listing for todays play. Kalors exit and the subsequent confirmation that the false-Kalor remains visible during last nights phase prompted me to review my analysis.
My current top Hope players are: Ty4on, Pau, Royal_Flush
My current suspicious list consists of: Rest, *Splinter, kingkitty
For now, I will cast my vote for *Splinter -
Vote: *Splinter
- Rest Alignment unclear. Would appreciate if Rest can contribute more. He has been at the receiving ends of some suspicion, but he has not generated any heat onto any player lately. Falling towards a player who seems comfortable in swimming with the herd.
- Sawneeks Having read back through the previous pages, I think it is unlikely that Sawneeks is Despair. Her bandwagon on Day 3 was initiated by Crab, a confirmed Hope player. I believe it is unlikely for Despair to have been able to orchestrate this.
- CornBurrito Leaning Hope. A lot of posts and showing substantial energy in theorizing.
- Pau Hope. One of my more certain reads. Shes level headed and well spoken.
- *Splinter I reread my previous assessments on *Splinter and I am still unable to formulate a firm grasp on his stance. Ty4on seems to have picked up interesting issues with this player. I will comb through his previous posts with more scrutiny.
- Swamped active and asking questions throughout the phases. She picked up on the issue that some players have not been questioned well lately. Notably, she herself has not been at the receiving end of suspicion as of late.
- Zippedpinhead hes picked up his level of participation. He defended himself quite aggressively during Day 5s end. Despair is known to fight for every and each of their numbers, as each Despair is extremely valuable to their small team size. His reactions after CzarTims Closing Argument seemed to indicate genuine confusion as to what was happening, however. A Despair would likely have more knowledge of CzarTims special ability and thus would not have been as confused. Remains slightly Hope, for now.
- Makai I am unconvinced of his claims. There are a number of Power Roles now known (Doctor Crab, Cop AbsolutBro, Switcher SalvaPot, Lovers Pau and Ty4on, kgtrep duelist, Sawneeks odd nights PR). Additionally, kingkitty has indicated that he may have some sort of power in the previous pages, and if we add Makai and his counterpart into the roster, we have a total of 10 power roles in play: two of which are bulletproof players. The math does not favour Makais claim. I am still leaning Makai to be Hope-aligned, only hes playing a gambit that I do not quite understand. If hes fishing for a Despair to come out and claim as his counterpart, then I believe he has not thought his gambit through.
- Terrabyte20xx AbsolutBro seems to have indicated that he held him in a position of trustworthiness so I must factor that into my assessment. Leaning Hope.
- Kingkitty hes active and watching but he does not participate frequently. A questionable fellow.
- Ty4on Hope. Along with Pau, Ty4on has been a steady voice of reason and inputs.
- Royal_Flush His posts read well-reasoned and he makes valuable contributions. Leaning Hope.
- Christina Mackenzie She has received some scrutiny recently and her defence comes across spotty, but she seems to be making sincere attempts at contributing. Leaning Hope.
My current top Hope players are: Ty4on, Pau, Royal_Flush
My current suspicious list consists of: Rest, *Splinter, kingkitty
For now, I will cast my vote for *Splinter -
Vote: *Splinter