I apologize if I hurt you personally, but if you turn out as Despair, I will take personal offense with your real life excuses as I find them to be a really low tactic. People have legitimate real life obligations, and to use them as an in-game deception is something I can't agree with.
Well, I can't really do much if you don't believe me, but my travel schedule this month has indeed been pretty all over the place.
I disagree calling you out playing on other GAFia games to be bad sportsmanship, because of two reasons. Firstly, I do not investigate your user profile to find this out, I merely follow what's happening on the general mafia thread. Secondly, and more importantly, those two games are completed and I notice everyone (including you) mentioned things that had happened in past games, so I believe stating the fact that you were playing on those two completed games are fair game. For example, I see players quoting completed games such as Animal Crossing or Star Wars a number of times when discussion on past performances of current players crops up.
Additionally, please do not put words in my mouth. I do not find you "a really crap player". I merely think you are a Despair who keep using "real life" excuse.
I must completely disagree with this. You have plenty to work with without calling out my activity outside of this game, as you have demonstrated with your following points. I personally find it to be bad sportsmanship because using my activity outside this game makes it more personal, and I think that's why I found your previous post to be quite hurtful.
Using completed games to talk about their mechanics (like I mentioned the godfather from the Star Wars game), or to talk about a player's general playstyle is ok in my opinion (but this sort of talk should be limited. For example, I mentioned before that I thought Zipped was hard to read from the star wars game, but he was an ordinary in that one).
But using outside games to say 'you had time to play those but not prepare for DR!'...I feel like that's out of line. Maybe others disagree with me.
The following points you made are totally valid, and actually quite fun to reply to. I've already addressed some of them, but shall do so in more detail.
Personally I do not enjoy pointing fingers and calling other people as the bad guys, however this is the gist of mafia games thus as a Hope player it is my duty to find Despair even if I have to "attack" them. Since I am only an Ordinary Student, I do not have the privilege to pinpoint any scum with 100% accuracy. I am not infallible, but I do believe voting you to be Hope's best bet to find Despair today.
And here are the reasons why I "attack" you:
1. Your interactions with *Splinter yesterday is curiously similar with how *Splinter interacted with CzarTim.
- Day 4, post 3260, *Splinter (Despair) said "There are several more sheets that I don't want to share just yet. Don't end early please". Note that CzarTim (Despair) was turboing himself out of the game.
- The next Day, he requoted his post and pointed at those voters (Kalor, CzarTim, TL21xx) who caused majority as suspicious without really delivering his sheets. Only later he presented his sheets - after much prodding from Town.
Now compare yourself with him:
- Day 6, post no. 4380, you were angry that people had voted *Splinter out by majority. Note that *Splinter (Despair) was turboing himself out of the game.
- You are now in the same position as *Splinter, you said you "had so much to say" yet you never deliver your reads on people without much prodding from Town.
The pattern does not look favorable. It looks as if you are adopting strategies that have been employed before by Despair, likely because you have been relying on your Despair forum for guideline.
I was indeed quite miffed that Hope ended D6 early. I really did have a lot to say, especially after Splinter's ridiculous claim. I had almost irrefutable proof that he was lying about his claim, and was really excited to share it after work. But I wasn't able to post anything after his claim.
If you're interested, it was this: Splinter was claiming that he had been protecting Sawneeks all throughout the game, because he knew where she went on odd nights. But then, at the end of Day 3, why did he vote for Sawneeks, attempting to keep CzarTim? That completely contradicted what he said before, and I was so excited I had nailed him. Nobody else had brought up this point. Then the day ended and I wasn't able to share this. In fact, it would be useless too.
I was also annoyed because Hope didn't wait for everyone's votes, and this would have been useful information for Day 7, especially if Splinter turned out to be Despair.
Of course, we've already won. It might just take us an extra day phase to route out the Despair, that's all.
I'll also add this: it would be quite risky for Despair members to all use similar strategies. Imagine if all the Despair members voted together, that would be very telling. I would imagine that Despair players would be encouraged to use their own play style.
2. How you interact so far in the game with Hope players. You are continuously suspicious on AbsolutBro, Sawneeks, CornBurrito, Pau and Ty4on, and me without presenting any substantial reasons.
Note that this was your suspicious list on Day 6 (post no. 4104): "Goshu, Flushy, *Splinter, Corn". Now two of these are out, that leaves only me and 'Flushy'. I note that you are keeping your suspicion on me, yet since Makai prohibits you to vote for me, curiously you vote for Rest instead of Royal_Flush today.
That's my nature, I'm always cautious of those who roleclaim earlier than needed. I was also very suspicious Makai if you recall.
AB - I was suspicious of him from the very beginning, thinking he was in cahoots with CzarTim. I also have detailed posts throughout the game about why I thought he was suspcious
Sawneeks - I was suspicious for the same reason as above, but I did not think the three were in cahoots together. I even made a detailed post about some of her scummy behavior during the start of Day 6.
CornBurrito - I don't think I have ever been suspicious of him, in fact I've always had him cautiously pegged as Hope. I did say he has gone under my radar, and that I thought that was a dangerous thing.
Pau/Ty - I've never been terribly suspicious of them. In fact, I've always believed Pau was Hope, especially after her reactions Day 3.
So you're absolutely right about AB and Saw, but you're wrong that I didn't back up those claims. You make it sound like I voted them on a whim, but that's blatantly wrong. About Corn and Pau/Ty, I've never been terribly suspicous of them, at least not enough to re-read them when I had so many other juicy targets, so maybe you interpreted something wrong?
I'll also add this - if I were Despair, wouldn't I just kill AB and Saw, PRs, and pretend to be all buddy buddy with them during the day? Why openly suspect them during the day? Especially when neither were at great risk of being lynched Day 4 onwards. And yet, I kept my suspicions on them, going against the tide of the majority of Hope. Despair would try to blend in with the votes, but I didn't.
If you read my previous post, I have removed my suspicion of you, because of a post from AB I found buried in D5. I'm actually pretty proud of that find, you should read through it, I think you missed it!
3. Logistically speaking, both you and Royal_Flush are the likeliest person who killed CornBurrito last night. I will explain why I find that you are the more likely Despair compared to Royal_Flush. Royal_Flush provided us with a screenshot image of his spreadsheet detailing the movement of Power Roles (post 3448). This screenshot is useful for Hope since it collates fact on people's movement and made us find *Splinter yesterday.
This is correct. I definitely could have killed Corn. But don't get blind-sided with dorm room positions. People in the bottom row could have still done the kill, especially since they are familiar with Pau's route and especially since they knew for a fact that Sawneeks was not moving that night.
I would be wary of using spreadsheets as evidence of being hope-aligned. Remember Splinter with his monstrously huge ones? Guess what he turned out to be though!
4. As Makai has listed on post 4467, today's selection for lynching are: Christina Mackenzie (Barrylocke), Rest, Royal_Flush (ViviOggi), and you. I have explained above why I believe Royal_Flush to be another Hope player. That leaves only you, Rest and Christina Mackenzie. Due to your location, you are the likelier person who killed CornBurrito.
I voted for Rest because I find his voting patterns to be quite telling of a Despair member (eg, he was the second-last vote on Splinter before Splinter hammered himself). I have explained my reasoning for voting for him elsewhere in this day phase (I think it's one of my first posts). But since my read on CM is quite ambiguous, I could readily vote for her too.