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Daniel Craig Says James Bond Shouldn’t Be Played By A Woman
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LiquidMetal14
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No lies detected.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Somehow this is a controversial opinion.
Skyfall ruined the easy out of "James Bond is a cover identity" to allow for lots of different types of men to be James Bond/007. I have less issue with an Afro-Caribbean, Hong Kong, or Indian man being James Bond so long as the backstory fits. I figure all the "Bond" agents would share some background similarities like the posh school upbringing and tastes for luxury to allow for some character continuity even if the human in the role has some variations. A surly 'street rat' Bond isn't as appealing to me, for example, or a nerdy techno-geek or straight up spec-ops war machine soldier type.
But post-Skyfall I don't see how they replace Daniel Craig without having to do some significant wrangling of the lore, creating the Bond cover ID from that point (which would be kinda cool, Craig as the 'Bond' cover ID template), or just wishing it all away and hey, that white guy James Bond is now someone else.
I've said it before, a "007" (or 009, 002, etc) WITHOUT James Bond is a hard sell. BOND is the attraction, not necessarily the stunts, spy gadgets, or what have you. We have seen numerous Bond-like movies with varying degrees of success (mostly poor performance, really) but the secret sauce is clearly JB.
But post-Skyfall I don't see how they replace Daniel Craig without having to do some significant wrangling of the lore, creating the Bond cover ID from that point (which would be kinda cool, Craig as the 'Bond' cover ID template), or just wishing it all away and hey, that white guy James Bond is now someone else.
I've said it before, a "007" (or 009, 002, etc) WITHOUT James Bond is a hard sell. BOND is the attraction, not necessarily the stunts, spy gadgets, or what have you. We have seen numerous Bond-like movies with varying degrees of success (mostly poor performance, really) but the secret sauce is clearly JB.
Badlucktroll
Member
Bet you he does one more after this one.
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
It's not like Doctor Who where the Doctor is an alien. He regenerated into a she. That is ok. The Doctor can be anything really. James Bond is and always should be male. If they want a female secret agent either get a new franchise or make a different 00 for Bond (like in the new movie).
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
p_xavier
Authorized Fister
One of my coworker is named James and he's black.
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Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
#CancelDaniel.
Has a nice rhyme to it also.
Has a nice rhyme to it also.
Pejo
Gold Member
Fuck I still have to watch this. I heard it was really good.That'll do well...
There already was a female spy movie and no one gave a fuck, even though it was way better than any recent James Bond movie
Anyways, Craig's stance is the one I've been leaning toward for years. Create new stories that fit the new characters you want to create; don't bastardize the characters and stories that fans have already seen/enjoyed. There's probably a certain amount of "free" marketing the outrage will get you, but it never seems to turn out well (see Ghostbusters 2016, Charlie's Angels remake, etc).
Still, I'm surprised to hear anybody in the public eye actually say this and face the twitter mob. Especially a Brit.
Thumbs up from me.
West Texas CEO
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I don't really care, as long as she has some fat titties.
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BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Of all of the male power fantasies in fiction Bond has to be top three. Right. It's like Batman, Bond, than whoever.
That said if a filmmaker wanted to make some kind of special agent movie with Natalie Portman beating up the bad guys internationally while bedding men then throwing them away I would be there day one and two.
That said if a filmmaker wanted to make some kind of special agent movie with Natalie Portman beating up the bad guys internationally while bedding men then throwing them away I would be there day one and two.
SentientStone
Member
Make Ellen Page the next James Bond, problem solved!
RainblowDash
Gold Member
Gender swaps are so lazy, we need some originality.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
My brother's father's name was James
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Btw... May come as a shock to some of y'all but I agree.
Lupingosei
Banned
After the latest marketing Blitz we can say two things:
1. The new Bond will be woke wank
2. After box office numbers of other woke wank they are terrified it will bomb, that is why they are trying to appeal to the general audience with things, with should not be controversial at all (aka Bond is a guy)
1. The new Bond will be woke wank
2. After box office numbers of other woke wank they are terrified it will bomb, that is why they are trying to appeal to the general audience with things, with should not be controversial at all (aka Bond is a guy)
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
You’ll be surprised how Netflix can twist this.
Anyway, the cancel mob will be after Daniel now.
QuantumZebra
Member
Because the woke crowd wanted to co-opt the name and character to ride the coattails.
Craig is right (and I saw this as a socially progressive individual) - make a new 007 and character - stop rebooting established canon.
Oh my fuck a Perfect Dark film done well would be so legit.
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Well, of course no man wants to be caught dead riding a Vespa.and yet ...
Or it reminds him too much of Vesper and he is overwhelmed by grief.
Tams
Member
Doesn't really count.and yet ...
As she is pretty much useless and pointless throughout the film.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
She's pretty much just a plot device to tell Bond "get off your ass and be James Bond again"
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V1LÆM
Gold Member
agree with him. james bond shouldn't be played by a female. that doesn't make any sense at all.
either make a spin off Bond movie or do what Craig said and make better roles for females.
edit: i would be totally up for a movie with Ana De Armas in the main role in a "Bond" spin off. loved her in NTTD, she was fucking kick ass, but she got very little screen time. there's your non white male actress. female + cuban.
either make a spin off Bond movie or do what Craig said and make better roles for females.
edit: i would be totally up for a movie with Ana De Armas in the main role in a "Bond" spin off. loved her in NTTD, she was fucking kick ass, but she got very little screen time. there's your non white male actress. female + cuban.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
EON (who controls Bond 100%) is adamant that they won't make Bond a woman and that's why they produced Rhythm Section. No one saw it, but it was their attempt at a female spy movie.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
People should watch it for Blake Lively alone.
Vaelka
Member
I think that a Bond-eqsue character as a woman could work fine in fact I think it'd be cool ( a less grumpy playgirl Black Widow ).
But 007 shouldn't be a woman.
The problem is that the movie industry ( and gaming tbh ) is so fucking unoriginal and would rather just remake or steal ideas.
People give the Chinese shit for ripping stuff off and while that's true Hollywood also does like a billion awful remakes every year from foreign films and isn't exactly the paragon of originality and ride trends for decades.
So yes instead of creating a new character it wouldn't surprise me if they did '' Jessica Bond '' or some dumb shit like that.
I actually think that they could still use the setting, they could still have it be set in the James Bond universe but just a new Agent totally unrelated to Bond as a spinoff.
But 007 shouldn't be a woman.
The problem is that the movie industry ( and gaming tbh ) is so fucking unoriginal and would rather just remake or steal ideas.
People give the Chinese shit for ripping stuff off and while that's true Hollywood also does like a billion awful remakes every year from foreign films and isn't exactly the paragon of originality and ride trends for decades.
So yes instead of creating a new character it wouldn't surprise me if they did '' Jessica Bond '' or some dumb shit like that.
I actually think that they could still use the setting, they could still have it be set in the James Bond universe but just a new Agent totally unrelated to Bond as a spinoff.
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Tams
Member
She was criminally underused. One of the best parts of the film.
lils
Member
but a big part of bond's character is that he's a womaniser who seduces everyone. it doesn't really work the other way around
ManaByte
Gold Member
This is a "meh" example at best. But I wouldn't mind some more AB to refine the concept.
Bond is a penis with a person attached!
Vaelka
Member
Why wouldn't a female seducer work?
The seduction and womaniser part of Bond was also very heavily downplayed in recent movies.
And women using sex is an actual tactic with irl spies and it has been throughout history.
It'd be more accurate than with Bond tbh if we want to look at real spies and agents.
SirTerry-T
Member
How does Atomic Blonde compare to The Long Kiss Goodnight? I haven't watched AB yet but the Geena Davis film is what it brought to mind.
darrylgorn
Member
I don't agree with Craig and it's patently stupid rhetoric.
That said, I also don't care if they keep Bond a white, cis male.
Just make an offshoot series, where his daughter, Jenna Bond, is a smoking hot 21 year old.
That said, I also don't care if they keep Bond a white, cis male.
Just make an offshoot series, where his daughter, Jenna Bond, is a smoking hot 21 year old.
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DeepBreath87
Banned
I would counter that what is “stupid” is taking established characters and playing identity games with them to satisfy some misguided feelings about “equity”. The story of James Bond is about a man with specific characteristics. If people want a character with different characteristics, they can create one. But it will cease to be James Bond. The creator can call this new character James Bond, but it will not be the same character.
If I decided to make a sequel for Turner and Hooch with a kangaroo instead of a dog, it would be different. Even if I have insisted the kangaroo was just like the dog, it wouldn’t be. That might make for a good movie. But it would necessarily be different because the characters are different.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
How about a spin-off instead of changing what Bond is about? Paloma anyone?
EON doesn't produce porn.
I've seen AB once, but I've watched LKG a dozen times or more. It is the SUPERIOR film in almost all respects, but mostly because it has a fun script. AB is just trying to hard IMHO and didn't really have its own voice yet.