Dark Knight Rises v Man of Steel (Which one sucked more?)

Which one sucked more?

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Maybe Thor 2 wouldn't be so bad if it didn't exist in the context of the MCU, but being in that context just amplifies how manufactured of a film it is. Marvel Studios simply needed a body to fill that slot in their schedule, and the production issues surrounding the film (while possibly being confirmation bias) reinforce that.
 
Honestly they both weren't that bad, just fairly disappointing. One problem both had I think was the fact that their more human, origin story parts weren't as effective as they were made to be.
 
I have to go with the Dark Knight Rises. The Dark Knight Rises has Joseph Gordon Levitt while Man of Steel has a border collie. Man of Steel is the better movie.

Never saw the second Thor movie.
 
Thor 2 was pretty bad, sure, but you know what the worst movie that year was?

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was a cinematic abortion in the ninth month.

It was like that vagina-squid in Prometheus, and Noomi Rapace was the audience, assaulted by this baby that should've been beloved but instead was a monster that was eventually abandoned.
 
Found my review of Thor 2 from when it came out, which I mostly still stand by:

Blader said:
Just saw it. Eh...it wasn't very good. Not horrible, but definitely on the back half of the spectrum for Marvel movies. A step down from the first movie.

+Hemsworth/Hopkins and Hemsworth/Hiddleston are great together and still fun to watch
+Art direction is much more interesting this time around
+Darcy is funny
+Ending cliffhanger was interesting
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Captain America
cameo was really funny; someone spoiled for me that he would be appearing, but I was totally surprised by how it happened, thought it was great
+Final battle sequence was pretty inventive and unique
+End credits sequence was very slick

-Jane Foster is setting back feminism a thousand years. I didn't mind her in the first movie, but she was almost offensively bad here, between her moping-over-missing-boy to ultimate damsel in distress. And Portman is clearly wishing she was anywhere else.
-The movie is really ugly, I think it's the worst digital I've seen since Public Enemies. Bad CGI, really poor green screen, and just bad looking shots in general. One slo-mo sequence in particular stuck out like a sore thumb.
-Alan Taylor. He did fine work on Game of Thrones, but man, he was just a bad director here. There are some things you could blame on Marvel but there were a lot of basics here, from editing to ADR to shot composition, that were just handled poorly.
-Malekith. I know Marvel essentially cut out his entire character, so it's not necessarily Taylor's fault, but there's nothing to this guy. No personality, no motivation, and no idea as to what his goal is.
-They need to stop introducing so many new characters and focus on the ones they've got. For god's sake, you have Jamie Alexander and Idris Elba, use them!


It wasn't awful, but I thought it was definitely a disappointment compared to the first. Also, Marvel is fighting a losing battle if they're going to keep trying to convince me that Jane is a better choice than Sif.
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One thing I'd add to this is the total lack of stakes with the threat. When the villain's objective is to completely unmake existence, you know right off the bat there's nothing to worry about. There's always a built-in sense of safety with these movies since you know no one major is ever going to die anyway, but you can still make threats that seem feasible -- Iron Man 3 can threaten to kill the president because he's completely fake and the Marvel universe goes on fine without him; Guardians can threaten to destroy a planet we've never heard of and the Marvel universe would go on fine without him. But you know Malekith is never going to wipe out the universe, so why bother pretending?
 
lmao that poll update

I already gave my answer but with Thor 2 in the mix... Thor 2 isn't a bad movie, it's a boring movie, and to me that's worse, especially when it comes to super heroes who should be inherently exciting.
 
Both were great. I gave them both a 9/10. Awesome theatre experience, great set pieces, audio/visually amazing. TDKR had some wonky editing in its first half, and Man of Steel had Lois Lane forced into the climax; but both were solid summer films.

Oh, and Hans Zimmer too!
 
Being the huge Superman fan that I am, MoS was just too strangely edgy for me. It feels like it tried to do too much in the short time that it had to do it in. Superman origin story, Zod and crew, Save/Destroy the whole world.

The parts where he's discovering who he is, dealing with bullies, trecking to the Fortress, putting on the suit for the first time. Working out his limits, etc. Felt like the best parts of the movie to me. Seemed like they just tossed in ZOD at the wrong time, just for the sake of fucking shit up.

Film was oddly paced, and felt stitched together.
 
Thor the dark world was pretty abysmal. But I'm not sure if I can really fairly judge it, because I always thought Thor was a lame hero.
 
legacyzero said:
Being the huge Superman fan that I am, MoS was just too strangely edgy for me. It feels like it tried to do too much in the short time that it had to do it in. Superman origin story, Zod and crew, Save/Destroy the whole world.

The parts where he's discovering who he is, dealing with bullies, trecking to the Fortress, putting on the suit for the first time. Working out his limits, etc. Felt like the best parts of the movie to me. Seemed like they just tossed in ZOD at the wrong time, just for the sake of fucking shit up.

Film was oddly paced, and felt stitched together.
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I thought the transition from his first flight to taking on the Kryptonians was too fast. We never really saw him being Superman and saving people around the world. I think if you're going to reintroduce Superman, you don't need a bunch of villains in it. They were just dying to have a bunch of fights in this movie. However I did think the action was done very well. Just think Zod should have been saved for a sequel.
 
As much as I didn't like Dark Knight Rises (and I don't remember a movie where I face palmed as much as I did with that one) Man Of Steel was one of those times where I felt robbed of my money after seeing it. What a dull, dull movie.
 
Femmeworth said:
Maybe Thor 2 wouldn't be so bad if it didn't exist in the context of the MCU, but being in that context just amplifies how manufactured of a film it is. Marvel Studios simply needed a body to fill that slot in their schedule, and the production issues surrounding the film (while possibly being confirmation bias) reinforce that.
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It didn't have production issues. The director outright said most of the issues were in post-production in the editing room. His cut has FAR different than what the execs at Marvel wanted/put out.
 
Thor 2 was also pretty terrible.

Amazing Spider-Man takes the cake when it comes to badly made movies (the editing is amateurish and that script is all over the place) but it nails Spider and Gwen so much that I have to put it above the others. But I'm totally biased on that because objectively it's a really badly made movie.
 
Easily Dark knight rises. Simply because of the ridiculously idiotic batman voice of Christian Bale. Fucking terrible

I actually loved Man of steel and Thor is a boring character for me. I would have voted Thor but that bat voice takes the cake
 
FourMyle said:
MoS has some cool action scenes. DKR was unintentionally hilarious. Worst superhero movie since Spiderman 3.
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Really? Look at the superhero movies between Spiderman 3 and the Dark Knight Rises.

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It's a pretty exhausting list, and I think the only films better than DKR are Iron Man and X-Men: First Class. Do you really think DKR is worse than Captain America or Green Lantern?
 
ASM2 is worse than any of these...

I chose DKR just because it was coming off the dark knight and thus felt like the bigger disappointment.

Thor 2 was coming off Thor 1 which wasn't mindblowing anyway and superman was a relatively new thing.
 
Valhelm said:
Really? Look at the superhero movies between Spiderman 3 and the Dark Knight Rises.

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It's a pretty exhausting list, and I think the only films better than DKR are Iron Man and X-Men: First Class. Do you really think DKR is worse than Captain America or Green Lantern?
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Yes. The moment Christian Bale speaks as batman, all of those movies become infinitely better
 
DKR was the movie that made it clear that Nolan didn't want to make a Batman movie but was contractually obligated to. So he made sure there was as little Batman as possible. Also half of the movie made no sense.

Mos had many problems but was a much better movie.
 
munchie64 said:
Looked up Rotten Tomatoes just for my own interest. Thought I'd share (not using these for any kind of argument):

The Dark Knight Rises: 88% (Top Critics: 76%)
Thor: The Dark World: 66% (Top Critics: 56%)
Man of Steel: 56% (Top Critics: 62%)
And just for fun, The Amazing Spider-Man 2: 53% (Top Critics: 52%)

I don't necessarily agree, but it's interesting that the only movie to improve with top critics in Man of Steel of all things.
Dark Knight Rises being Certified Fresh does make me happy though.
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TKDR sucked. Too much talking and ideas, not enough CGI battles.
 
Alienous said:
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Batman kills a person, and this is how they die.

There's no other explanation than Nolan saying "Fuck it, let's wrap this shit up".
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Yeah, TDKR was laughably bad. And I mean that literally. When that scene happened everyone at the entire theater I was at burst out laughing. I don't know what the fuck Nolan was thinking.
 
jamsy said:
Yeah, TDKR was laughably bad. And I mean that literally. When that scene happened everyone at the entire theater I was at burst out laughing. I don't know what the fuck Nolan was thinking.
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There was quite a bit of laughter going on in the theatre during the emotional scenes.

TDKR was one of the most disappointing movies for me after all that marketing hype for an epic conclusion and 10/10 reviews.

MoS was saved by Faora and her fight scenes.
 
In terms of what I'd least like to rewatch I'd still give the nod to TDKR just for the expectations and how boring it ended up being. Thor 2 has the edge of being mercifully short(er).
 
Brainiac 8 said:
DKR was the movie that made it clear that Nolan didn't want to make a Batman movie but was contractually obligated to. So he made sure there was as little Batman as possible. Also half of the movie made no sense.

Mos had many problems but was a much better movie.
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There was no contractural obligation, Nolan signed for each Batman movie at a time.
 
I voted Thor 2, because I felt the movie was pretty forgettable, and there were at least memorable scenes in the other two. However, I totally would have picked Amazing Spider-man 2 if it was on there. I would rather watch Man of Steel 5 more times than see that again.
 
jamsy said:
Yeah, TDKR was laughably bad. And I mean that literally. When that scene happened everyone at the entire theater I was at burst out laughing. I don't know what the fuck Nolan was thinking.
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Basically. Like, MoS is a thematic mess but has some decent action. Thor 2 is forgettable as hell, but at least its enjoyable for the one time you watch it. TDKR is just a slow wreck of a movie. Really really weird coming from Nolan
 
Lionel Mandrake said:
But in all seriousness, fuck Thor 2.

Edit: It's not so much a movie, as it is a piece of fucking garbage.

Edit 2: If I would have made Thor 2, I'd be in a laboratory underground, being studied as some sort of paranormal vortex of non-talent.

Edit 3: In a lot of ways, Thor 2 is a lot like a shoe glued to a hat-- in that it's a piece of useless bullshit that nobody enjoys.

Edit 4: A joke: Two technicians are in a vault underground. Each one has a key, and when both are turned simultaneously, nuclear missiles will be launched across the globe and end all of humanity. One technician turns to the other and says, "If you want, we can watch my copy of Thor 2 on blu-ray," and the other technician slits his goddamn wrist, preferring it to watching the travesty that is Thor 2. Whatever happens next can't be worse than Thor fucking 2,
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I love Thor 2 and find it to be a good movie. So there, I like what you hate. Nyah nyah nyah nyah!!!!


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Nolan took all the bad things from TDK, turned them up to 11, smashed them together and called it TDKR. So many baffling decisions in that movie that it just becomes laughable.

MoS has some stupid scenes too, but atleast it doesn't feel like different scenes that are just glued together.

I watched Thor 2 for the first time 3 days ago, and I can barely remember it.
 
Sometimes I feel like I've entered some bizzaro universe when people call TDKR absolute garbage. I mean disappointing for the most part sure, but it's weird seeing people comparing it to Ed Wood quality material here on GAF.
 
I hated TDKR when i first saw it. Part of it was expectations, most of it was that the movie is really not good. I can watch it now with adjusted expectations and appreciate the good scenes that do exist in the movie, but goddamn what a disappoint after the first two and considering how good Nolan usually is.

Man of steel was ok. There are a lot of superhero movies that are worse and a lot that are better. It's pretty average, aside from the exceptionally terrible tornado scene and the exceptionally awesome action. I liked it more than TDKR.

TacticalFox88 said:
GAFs hyperbole/obsession when it comes to Man of Steel will never cease to amaze me
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It's honestly bizarre. I think man of steel is mediocre with a lot of missed potential and some seriously dumb script decisions (pa Kent tornado scene is so, so dumb). I still got some enjoyment out of it though, and superman has traditionally been one of my least favorite heroes. It's certainly a better movie than either of the Thor movies or Iron Man 2, imo, but i wouldn't say any of those movies are utter garbage or something (haven't seen IM3).
 
KingK said:
I hated TDKR when i first saw it. Part of it was expectations, most of it was that the movie is really not good. I can watch it now with adjusted expectations and appreciate the good scenes that do exist in the movie, but goddamn what a disappoint after the first two and considering how good Nolan usually is.

Man of steel was ok. There are a lot of superhero movies that are worse and a lot that are better. It's pretty average, aside from the exceptionally terrible tornado scene and the exceptionally awesome action. I liked it more than TDKR.


It's honestly bizarre. I think man of steel is mediocre with a lot of missed potential and some seriously dumb script decisions (pa Kent tornado scene is so, so dumb). I still got some enjoyment out of it though, and superman has traditionally been one of my least favorite heroes. It's certainly a better movie than either of the Thor movies or Iron Man 2, imo, but i wouldn't say any of those movies are utter garbage or something (haven't seen IM3).
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How's what Pa Kent did any different then what Lord Uzumi Nara Athha does in Gundam Seed? Standing resolute in the Face of your own Destuction to protect your Child? Let me ask you a question though, Was Pa Kent Right? Was the World Ready for Someone like Clark and was young Clark ready for the World?
 
SmithnCo said:
ASM2 would probably be winning if it was there, a disaster on all fronts akin to Green Lantern.
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I liked the Tesla sound effects + music with Electro and Hans Zimmer. The cgi was pretty nice and so were the fight scenes. But yeah everything else was mediocre.

GL has very few redeeming things in my eyes. Oa and Sinestro were cool. That 10 minute portion of the movie was pretty good. Rest is garbage.
 
I liked Thor 2 well enough. It was fun and didn't take itself so seriously.

Dark Knight Rises was pretty goddamned awful in every respect, but I never thought its predecessors were any good either. Man of Steel is just garbage from the word go, and completely misses the point of what makes Superman who he is in order to pander to a demographic who never wanted him in the first place.
 
Lokimaru said:
How's what Pa Kent did any different then what Lord Uzumi Nara Athha does in Gundam Seed? Standing resolute in the Face of your own Destuction to protect your Child? Let me ask you a question though, Was Pa Kent Right? Was the World Ready for Someone like Clark and was young Clark ready for the World?
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I actually like the concept you're talking about that they were going for with that scene, it was just executed terribly. From the fact that it was the dog being the reason he went back to the car (instead of Clark for some reason) and died, to him just standing there staring at Clark, waiting for the tornado when it looked like he might have had time to get away. Again, i like the concept they were going for, that specific scenario was just too much and too ridiculous for me. It seemed almost more like a successful suicide than being stuck into choosing between death and revealing Clark's secret.

Edit: although your post does touch on something i really like about MoS, and that's the world reaction to superman. I think the movie established a lot of interesting themes and ideas in that regard which, with a competent writer, I'm hopeful will be fully explored and taken to interesting places in BvS.
 
Weiss said:
I liked Thor 2 well enough. It was fun and didn't take itself so seriously.

Dark Knight Rises was pretty goddamned awful in every respect, but I never thought its predecessors were any good either. Man of Steel is just garbage from the word go, and completely misses the point of what makes Superman who he is in order to pander to a demographic who never wanted him in the first place.
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I'd argue that The Dark Knight Rises misses the point of what makes Batman who he is even more than Man of Steel does with Superman.
 
Man of Steel, which was just boring. TDKR was very much flawed, yet given the choice, still preferable to MoS (not really compelled to rewatch either, though). Pity that this turned into another DC vs. Marvel thread by throwing Thor 2 into the mix, but since it's already gone in that direction, I found that more enjoyable than either even as one of the weaker MCU films.
 
Lokimaru said:
How's what Pa Kent did any different then what Lord Uzumi Nara Athha does in Gundam Seed? Standing resolute in the Face of your own Destuction to protect your Child? Let me ask you a question though, Was Pa Kent Right? Was the World Ready for Someone like Clark and was young Clark ready for the World?
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Gundam Seed is not the story of Superman.

The entire context of the film leading up to and including that scene was fucked. First, it's not in Clark's nature to stand by and watch someone die, especially someone he loves, when he can do something to save them. Two, it's not in Pa Kent's nature to tell his son that maybe you need to let a bus full of children die in order to protect yourself. Three, he died for a dog.

Goyer messed with the core values of important characters in the Superman mythos, even the main character, and the film ended up being far weaker because of it. The characters of the film just didn't work, and the tornado scene is one of the best examples of just how badly Goyer missed the mark.

Pa Kent's death is supposed to be an important moment in Clark's life, an eternal example that even with all of his powers there are things out of his reach, things he can not do. It's a hard lesson that Clark needs to learn in order to develop his character. In MoS all Clark learns is that sometimes it's okay to let people die in order to protect yourself. That's not Superman!

The tornado scene still pisses me off, it's the part of MoS that I hate the most by far.
 
We don't even get to see if the world was ready for Superman or not. All the world sees of him is him getting thrown through skyscrapers. The movie thinks it's being so clever trying to pose some questions, but it gets totally distracted by a cgi slap fest and we get nothing to take away from it.
 
Alienous said:
I'd argue that The Dark Knight Rises misses the point of what makes Batman who he is even more than Man of Steel does with Superman.
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Yes and you would be arguing what "Batman is" based on how he was interpreted and defined by a writer in some comic run you personally prefer, agree with or grew up with?Nolan "defined" the character in a way he personally saw fit and TDKR was consistent with that.
 
I rated TDKR 9/10 so it's far from being a bad movie. Not quite as good as The Dark Knight but still very good.

Haven't bothered with Man of Steel as I did not like Snyder's Watchmen at all and MoS got mixed reviews.
 
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