Dark Knight Rises v Man of Steel (Which one sucked more?)

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JB1981 said:
Yes and you would be arguing what "Batman is" based on how he was interpreted and defined by a writer in some comic run you personally prefer, agree with or grew up with?Nolan "defined" the character in a way he personally saw fit and TDKR was consistent with that.
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And, with that logic, Superman is perfectly consistent with how Zack Snyder "defined" the character.

But the Batman in TDKR shares very, very little with the comic book character he has the name of in his actions.
 
I'm one of those weird people that loves both movies. I'm just a mark for both characters so unless it is garbage (Batman Forever, Batman and Robin, and Superman Returns are movies I will never watch again) then I will enjoy it. I have to say that TDKR was the best theater experience I've ever had. Opening night with just the best crowd I've ever sat with, cheering and on the edge of our seats. I'll never forget it. I'm excited for Affleck, but I would have loved to see the alternate dimension where Bale came back for this.
 
Voted TDKR, sorry fans. Superman had awesome action to go with the absolutely silly plot. Dark Knight Rises was just a slog, Bane's voice...ugh, and even more silly plot points. Glad that trilogy is done. Also, idk when Thor 2 got in there, but I loved that movie.
 
Alienous said:
And, with that logic, Superman is perfectly consistent with how Zack Snyder "defined" the character.

But the Batman in TDKR shares very, very little with the comic book character he has the name of in his actions.
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Actually no, Nolan told a 3-part arc with a beginning, middle and end that made sense in a grounded/realistic interpretation of the character. Do you have an issue with Bruce Wayne being a real man who traded a lifetime of misery as Batman for personal happiness and growth? Does that insult you as a Batman fan ?
 
JB1981 said:
Actually no, Nolan told a 3-part arc with a beginning, middle and end that made sense in a grounded/realistic interpretation of the character. Do you have an issue with Bruce Wayne being a real man who traded a lifetime of misery as Batman for personal happiness and growth? Does that insult you as a Batman fan ?
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It ... what?

I think you're missing my point. It isn't about being grounded or realistic. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, in my own opinion, do a good job of portrayed Batman (the comic book character) in that more grounded/realistic world. I don't think The Dark Knight Rises does that.

I think the story is fairly terrible aside from that, my only qualm is people bringing up Man of Steel's treatment of Superman as a character compared to how he is in the comics and ignoring that the Batman in TDKR is a dude who gave up being a crime-fighter for the better part of a decade and killed Talia and her driver, while also being generally dimwitted.
 
Alienous said:
It ... what?

I think you're missing my point. It isn't about being grounded or realistic. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, in my own opinion, do a good job of portrayed Batman (the comic book character) in that more grounded/realistic world. I don't think The Dark Knight Rises does that.

I think the story is fairly terrible aside from that, my only qualm is people bringing up Man of Steel's treatment of Superman as a character compared to how he is in the comics and ignoring that the Batman in TDKR is a dude who gave up being a crime-fighter for the better part of a decade and killed Talia and her driver, while also being generally dimwitted.
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Lol your issue with Nolan's depiction of the character is that he was a recluse for 8 years and ended up killing Talia in order to save all of Gotham?
 
I think if there's one lesson to be learned from the back and forth and varied opinions in this thread, it's that everyone's tastes are subjective and every movie has people who love it somewhere, even the bad films like Daredevil and Green Lantern. I'm sure somewhere in the world someone even loves films like Battlefield Earth and 10,000 BC. Good, bad, mediocre, it's all just a matter of opinions, and while public averages like metacritic and rotten tomatoes can give us an idea of the percentages, there are always people who fall into the smaller yields as well.
 
Haven't wathced Thor 2, Superman was just forgettable (I honestly remember very little from it), DKR was disappointing but ok. I voted for Superman.
 
Mengy said:
I think if there's one lesson to be learned from the back and forth and varied opinions in this thread, it's that everyone's tastes are subjective and every movie has people who love it somewhere, even the bad films like Daredevil and Green Lantern. I'm sure somewhere in the world someone even loves films like Battlefield Earth and 10,000 BC. Good, bad, mediocre, it's all just a matter of opinions, and while public averages like metacritic and rotten tomatoes can give us an idea of the percentages, there are always people who fall into the smaller yields as well.
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Prove it.
 
I voted for Thor 2 as the worst. Don't get me wrong TDKR was disappointing as hell, and Superman was awful, but I don't even remember what Thor 2 was about...
 
I may not remember much about TDKR, but I definitely remember being disappointed by MoS so I guess that one.
 
MoS for sure. All the grimdark brooding works in Batman, but it sucked the life out of Superman. What a joyless film
 
TDKR was the weakest in the trilogy yes. But It was still a fucking great movie. Yes the Ending left a lot to be desired but still it hit all the emotional peaks. Man of Steel had some great set pieces and Goyer is to blame for everything wrong with MoS. Thor 2 was a shitfest
 
I had higher hopes for MoS, but TDKR disappointed me more overall. I feel that the flaws in MoS are more forgivable.
 
WinFonda said:
Man of Steel is a Superman film, but they somehow fucked up the core character. Man of Steel is like the complete opposite of TDKR. There's no Clark Kent in the film, at least not by Henry Cavil. And the action is gratuitously cataclysmic to the point where it overwhelms Superman himself, and it seems as though he's unable to save anything. And Henry Cavill to be frank, with so little dialog and acting in the film, hasn't earned the cape yet.
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Whats funny is that my opinion is totally opposite of yours. I thought MOS was a straight up Clark Kent film, as in Clark Kent trying to be Superman. He doesn't even feel like Superman till that very last why you spying on me scene. I always had the viewpoint that he was struggling to find his true extent of his powers and breaking through to become greater throughout the movie. He was very raw with his combat skills, virtually nonexistent. Hell, his extreme durability and newfound willpower is the only real reason he makes it through the movie
 
I like the Thor movies, I'm not sure why...

Man of Steel was just boring to me and I guess that's just because I don't find Superman to be interesting. I was hoping the film would change that but it didn't.

I love the Dark Knight, it retroactively made Batman Begins even better somehow. I was pretty hyped for DKR and I enjoyed it but it was a let down. You have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to explain what goes on in that film.

Man of Steel got my vote since I was very aware of how much I wasn't enjoying it, while watching it. That might not be fair since I was already pre-judging it in a negative light just because it was a Superman movie. I'm going to watch it again when I find some spare time and maybe I'll enjoy it more in light of where they're going for Batman vs Superman.
 
Dead Man Typing said:
I like the Thor movies, I'm not sure why...
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If you grew up loving 80s fantasy movies like me that would explain it. Thor 1 was very similar to the He-Man movie and Beastmaster 2. Thor 2 felt more like a mix with elements of Krull and Star Wars, although I'm struggling to remember the actual plot in the movie right now.
 
Man of Steel had at least something going for it at first, TDKR was just...

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Thor 2 because its the only one of the three that actually sucked, and was also a poor sequel.

I really enjoyed TDKR & MoS.
 
Both MoS and TDKR were poor IMO, but MoS edges it just for being so bloody dour. And thats something considering it is being compared with TDKR.

Thor 2 may not be great, and the scooby doo 'running in and out of doors' teleporting bit near the end is almost laughable. But at least it isn't quite so far up its own ass as either of the other two.
 
A_Gorilla said:
You make it sound so funny, but really, the entire subplot was just boring as all hell.
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Aww come on. Batman had lost his fear of death. In most movies that would make him invincible, but here they showed how that would take away his superhuman motivation. The "nothing to lose" cliche doesn't hold up for him. He had to get back his fear of death, and the fear of what that death would mean for his city. It was great.
 
Man of Steel is not Superman, it's just a Frank Miller Zach Snyder CG poop filter robbed of color with a Russel Crowe USB key openeing up doors

when Russel Crowe jumped off the building in a leap of faith to be saved off screen by his butterlfy hours dragon, I knew the movie was going to be shit and it was
 
Hopefully we can all agree that Thor 2 was pretty bad. At least MoS and TDKR got a reaction out of me one way or the other. Thor 2 just left me pretty indifferent.
 
Battersea Power Station said:
Aww come on. Batman had lost his fear of death. In most movies that would make him invincible, but here they showed how that would take away his superhuman motivation. The "nothing to lose" cliche doesn't hold up for him. He had to get back his fear of death, and the fear of what that death would mean for his city. It was great.
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Yeah I thought this was actually one of the most interesting and surprising turns the story took. And while some may think it was too on the nose, I thought the sudden appearance of the bats -- real or fake -- as he was about to make the last jump was a nice touch.
 
Blader said:
Yeah I thought this was actually one of the most interesting and surprising turns the story took. And while some may think it was too on the nose, I thought the sudden appearance of the bats -- real or fake -- as he was about to make the last jump was a nice touch.
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marvel and dc comics are about as on the nose as you can get. so yeah that scene with the bats as he...rises was very comic-like and i loved it.
 
MoS was better than TDKR mainly because anything in the story you don't like was made up with kickass action scenes. TDKR story had awful pacing and villains and pretty shitty fight scenes.
 
Man of steel has dbz fights
So it sucked less

Its main actor didnt give up on its terrible dark voice 1/4th of the way through the film.

And there is bane's accent
 
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