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Dark Souls II |OT++| Bearer of...Seek...Seek...Lest
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Orochinagis
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The same applies with other characters was well like Lycia and Nashandra.
It was around 850 mb for the Iron King
Would be the spiders who lived in its body and stayed dormant until the Duke awoke them.
Iva Demilcol
Member
That's a good possibility but all those lands and kingdoms we heard about in DS one seem to exist pretty far away from Lordran. All those characters from Catarina and Vinheim and Astora and Carim and Thorolund and others went to Lordran in pilgrimage, they were outcasts with nothing no gain staying in their lands, in the only human cities close to Anor Londo (Undead Burg, New Londo and Oolacille) there are no survivors at all, just hollows and other creatures. This is mere speculation but I'd say being close to the first flame made things actually worse for the undead, it's more likely that all those other regions were established far away to keep humans safe from the curse.
There's only one indicator that the memories are time travel. Getting items out of there it's not it, though. The memories are used by Vendrick and the Ancient Dragon to hide from Nashandra the final piece of the puzzle, the Giant Kinship. Nashandra has visited the Ancient Dragon and she did not get the Ashen Mist Heart.
The part that indicates time travel is that Vendrick gets weaker and weaker with every Giant Soul you get. Three of them are in memories, and it could be that once you take them, Vendrick is retroactively robbed of them. Chances are the Giant Souls are what are powering Giant Zombie Vendrick -since his own souls is elsewhere-.
That's fair, but remember that the same pilgrimage thing keeps happening in DS2. Carhillion of the Weaksauce and his apprentice came "through the mountains", which I take to be the mountains that are east of Aldia's Keep.
Also remember that the farthest you are from Lordran is in the Assylum, which you fly to via dark crow. In DS2 you do a similar travel, but turns out the Assylum in DS2 -admittedly not necessarily the same- isn't that far away in the context of the distances travelled in DS2. So maybe even the Assylum in DS1 wasn't that far away.
So I think that it is completely possible that some -not necessarily all- of the places mentioned in DS1 were visited in DS2.
The part that indicates time travel is that Vendrick gets weaker and weaker with every Giant Soul you get. Three of them are in memories, and it could be that once you take them, Vendrick is retroactively robbed of them. Chances are the Giant Souls are what are powering Giant Zombie Vendrick -since his own souls is elsewhere-.
That's fair, but remember that the same pilgrimage thing keeps happening in DS2. Carhillion of the Weaksauce and his apprentice came "through the mountains", which I take to be the mountains that are east of Aldia's Keep.
Also remember that the farthest you are from Lordran is in the Assylum, which you fly to via dark crow. In DS2 you do a similar travel, but turns out the Assylum in DS2 -admittedly not necessarily the same- isn't that far away in the context of the distances travelled in DS2. So maybe even the Assylum in DS1 wasn't that far away.
So I think that it is completely possible that some -not necessarily all- of the places mentioned in DS1 were visited in DS2.
Morrigan Stark
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I think the Fragrant Branch in the Gutter might be faster? To reach Sinner's Rise you need to beat the Sentinels (or use a Pharros Lockstone to use the elevator shortcut I guess, but then you still need to beat No Man's Wharf and Flexile Sentry) and the Sinner, but you can reach that other branch without killing a single boss. I can understand wanting to avoid the Gutter though. xD
Pow! Nice.
I think my game might have glitched out on me.
My inventory says i have only
yet i've cleared every
. I've also retraced my steps to each of the
in case i didn't pick up the
including retracing my steps to each
within the DLC.
I've collected all the
and used all of them, i have also collected all the
or at least there was no
that i forgot to pick up.
These are all their locations right?
I've retraced my steps to each of those locations.
I've also defeated the
and collected the
there but my inventory still isn't complete.
My inventory says i have only
11 pieces of Nadalia's soul
Ashen Idol
Ashen idol locations
soul
Smelter wedge giving location
I've collected all the
wedges
souls dropped
dropped soul at any of the ashen idol locations
These are all their locations right?
1. Just after the Throne Floor bonfire.
2. In a room full of Ashen Warriors soon after the Throne Floor bonfire.
3. In the room with an Iron Warrior, surrounded by Ashen Warriors. (Before this room there are a few Cask Runners)
4. Inside the tower where Maldron the Assassin invades.
5. Near / on the way to the Smelter Throne bonfire.
6. Behind the locked door by the Foyer bonfire.
7. In the room with an Iron Warrior and four doors, behind one of the doors. After activating the elevators, head out to the elevator room after the Foyer bonfire. Go right; you'll see a platform moving up and down and a door across from it.
8 to 11. Four enclosing the Fume Knight boss arena.
2. In a room full of Ashen Warriors soon after the Throne Floor bonfire.
3. In the room with an Iron Warrior, surrounded by Ashen Warriors. (Before this room there are a few Cask Runners)
4. Inside the tower where Maldron the Assassin invades.
5. Near / on the way to the Smelter Throne bonfire.
6. Behind the locked door by the Foyer bonfire.
7. In the room with an Iron Warrior and four doors, behind one of the doors. After activating the elevators, head out to the elevator room after the Foyer bonfire. Go right; you'll see a platform moving up and down and a door across from it.
8 to 11. Four enclosing the Fume Knight boss arena.
I've retraced my steps to each of those locations.
I've also defeated the
Fume knight
soul piece
Deadpandas
Member
Thanks, so the same price as PS3. Cool I might get this when my 360 arrives again next week
Orochinagis
Member
The lands in DS2 are still pretty far away from drangelic too, they come to drangelic as mercenaries or running away from their respective kingdoms. And taking in mind there are other continents out there and a land where everyone ran away after falling to the dark.
Well, yes the memories are from the past of the last memory of the owner, In Vendrink's he is about to get hollowed.
Unless I've missed it in your list its the Prowlers one you're missing.
Iva Demilcol
Member
So every time we retrieved a Giant Soul he was getting closer to hollowing?
That's both brilliant (in terms of the lore) and terrifying.
I wonder if we would fight him again after the the third DLC and just finish the job (triggering the events that lead him to go hollow).
Which explains "Memory of the Old Iron King".
There's a 12th one.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
I'm talking about the dragon that is dead in the memory, not the hollowed out corpse. How can a dead thing remember anything after being dead? Like I said earlier, I think the memories act as portals that physically transport the player to the place, rather than actually play out the memory of something. Nothing else makes sense of all the facts to me.
I think the dead Ancient Dragon's memory refutes this though (see above).
Maybe, but that kind reads like a sweet way to describe someone dying to me. Coupled with the fact that we canonically kill him and that we see a kind of memorial to his armour... I dunno; it just seems the obvious answer to me.
The Prowlers?
The Prowlers one is the one before the Sir Alonne memory right?
I've got that one as well.
Their A.I. is very easily exploitable. You didn't notice that? They're kinda' like the Knights guarding Velstadt and Vendrick, strafe around them or roll behind them and score a free backstab. You can take out every single one of them one at a time too. So the whining is baffling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAlTOfl9F2w
Orochinagis
Member
Mmmm no, He was about getting hollowed since there were no more giants to feed himself to battle the curse, his great soul was enough to keep him human for a while but after feeling his humanity was coming to and end and didn find any other great soul to convince to sacrifice his life to relink the fire, he just ran away from nashandra to avoid his soul being harvested by her and take the throne.
Iva Demilcol
Member
I agree with this explanation. It makes more sense. They are not exactly "memories", and since "the flow of time is convoluted" Vendrick and his people found a way to travel exactly to the point of time they desired.
It's not his memory though that's the issue with saying that I think personally.
Then the one you've not got is from Fume if you've got that one. That's the only place that I can think it being.
Orochinagis
Member
The corpse and the dead dragon are the same, Maybe someone put spider eggs there or the spiders just lived in his agonizing body and stayed there for 1000 years after Duke dig there and awoke them.
No I don't think so.
The three Giant memories and the Dragon Memory fit a single pattern; you touch the remnants of a dead giant / dragon, go inside the memory, maybe have some adventures and then grab the corresponding soul from a giant corpse / dragon.
Memory of the Old Iron King may work if the OIK left enough of a memory of Alonne in Alonne's armor; inside you kill Sir Alonne and you retrieve his soul. I mentioned how could this work, but it is clearly a weird case.
Memory of the King is interesting.
For one, as I said, Vendrick's Soul isn't there. Second, Vendrick there is alone, while obviously he had Velstadt by his side since he got to the Crypt.If you go out, you will not see Velstadt in the boss area, and you are in fact kicked out of the memory.
So my theory is that Memory of the King is actually Velstadt's memories of sitting next to Vendrick before he got completely hollowed. The name "of the king" may mean the memories that Vendrick had, or memories that someone else had of Vendrick.
The Dragon, like the giants, is not dead. He is slowly rebuilding the immortality crystal that Seath had.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
That doesn't explain why a dead dragon can have memories of when it was dead earlier. That makes zero sense.
What good is a backstab when there are 4-5 other enemies hitting me during the backstab animation? What good is a backstab when there are 3 other guys firing arrows at me as I circle around one? The reason the Syan knights are fine is that they don't have ranged options, and that they come at a max of 2 at a time, so you can bait a double attack and backstab one in the meantime. But in this DLC, besides the first lone dude, the first group is three guys, and the second group is four/five (depending if the platform is up or down). You certainly cannot get these one at a time, I have no idea what you are talking about. You cannot tell me you seriously think going for backstabs is useful against five enemies?
Anyway, it isn't a matter of being hard, it is a matter of being annoying. Souls design is best when you have to go slow when you don't know an area, but can go fast once you know what you are doing. Enemies that have infinity poise (hyperbole) and gang up on you unless you slowly snipe them with a bow are just annoying, and make the beginning of the DLC very tedious.
Got that one as well, it's the one in the room that opens up after you defeat him on that statue/chair looking thing that's white right?
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
How can the Ancient Dragon have memories of being dead?
It can be The Old Iron King's memory of Sir Alonne's last days. This is the guy who gave him his kingdom; I think the day Sir Alonne died would be significant to him, hence the memorial display of his armour.
Yep 0 wedges left, defeated all the bosses in the DLC.
Cleared all the Wedge giving locations as well.
Again, the same thing happens in the three memories of the giants. You recover a Soul of the Giant from a giant corpse that is lying around.
Yeah that's it. Can't think of which one you've not got as that's all 12 of them accounted for based on that and your list.
By armor I meant clothes. The wings and crossed arms won't translate well into wearable equipment.
And I see that some people are assigning gender to it, which I think is too early. I hope they provide more info on what the Darklurker in the third DLC, it's one of the games biggest mysteries.
Speaking of mysteries, do think any of the current ones will be used in the third DLC? The first dealt with the
slumbering dragon
Alva and Alonne
Aldia?
There are actually black and white variants of that armor. Still, the design of the cloth is pretty different from what the Darklurker wears.
You have invincibility when you backstab... Also you can lead one away to a pillar, block/attack/backstab and you're safe from the archers.
Another option is to use arrows or magic. If you found that to be annoying or hard then buddy let me tell you something, you're going to LOVE the 2nd DLC.
Okay, the only thing I can think of is that you broke all of them, but didn't pick up the piece of Soul. You should check them all again.
It's the hood that does it for me. The top for Darklurker has a cool feathery motif going on, and I like it.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
The dragon you see in the past is dead, I think. Every boss' death is signified by the player getting their soul. Another way to put it is that the after every boss dies, their soul is "separated" from their physical form. So I think it's significant that their souls are on the floor in front of them.
Which is what I'm saying, they are not actual memories.
Would not rise my expectatives about Aldia; Ivory King? Does anybody have a hint of where the entrance to that area will be? The big candidates are after Lost Sinner or after Freya, and neither seem like areas Aldia would have relation to.
My theory about Darklurker is
remnants of the Four Kings. Think about it. Access to it is gated by the Dark Diver, while the four kings were protected by the ring of the Abyss Walker
Also DS2 conveniently forgot about the four kings, even though they were one of the souls required to fill the LordVessel.
Also DS2 conveniently forgot about the four kings, even though they were one of the souls required to fill the LordVessel.
This must be it. I was killed in the cursed tower just after destroying the idol, and went back, and the soul was lying on the floor.
Ivory King, snowy trailer and pictures. What place do we have that has a snowy name?
Shrine of Winter.
It even has the teleport-a-majiggy fountain.
The display could just be a memorial to him after he left using the same justification except swapping died for left.
Iva Demilcol
Member
So it's not a real memory because they are dead already.
You most certainly do not have immunity for the entirety of the backstab animation in Dark Souls 2, you are vulnerable both at the beginning and the end while having no control of your character in both cases. This is well tested and documented.
Anyway, I understand you can do the things you described, but exactly what I meant is this causes all fights to be tedious and boring. Sure I can take out every archer with a bow, but what is fun about shooting twice, sidestepping to avoid their arrow, and continuing ad infinitum. Same thing with drawing an enemy back. Why is attack block attack different from attack attack where I staggered the enemy due to poise breaking? One of my favorite parts of Dark Souls 2 combat was getting good enough to know enemy swing timings to know if you had to block or could attack instead to poise break them. These DLC enemies remove that added combat mechanic, making combat a slog of sameness.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
If it weren't for the wording on the armour about him EDIT: and, of course, us killing him, I'd agree with you. Compared with most of the other characters, his lore seems deliberately stunted to me.
Orochinagis
Member
Its bad implemented but is the last moments of the owner.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Oh well, the exchanges for them aren't really useful to me anyway but that 11 will annoy me lol.
I thought that as well and retraced my steps to each of them to see if i hadn't picked them up but there was nothing at any of them.
The memories don't stop working after you get the souls, though. Vendrick's memory is always accessible and you get nothing out of it.
As I said it is possible they are time travel, but then again, it is more probable they are just memories. It's just that Vendrick and the Ancient Dragon used them to hide stuff in them, but the hiding stuff part is just incidental.
The giants/dragon memories are memories of immortal beings. The giants become trees, the dragons are slowly regenerating their crystal. It is also possible you fuck up the immortality part by taking the souls out of there. Ancient Dragon gave you the Ashen Mist Heart so you could grab the Giant Kinship, but when he did so, he didn't expect you to go take the Ancient Dragon Memory. He didn't even know the real, dead Dragon had remade its crystal. Because if Aldia and Vendrick had know they could revive a Dragon with a real Dragon soul inside, maybe they would have done that, instead of concocting one with a Giant Soul. Then again, maybe they wanted a Giant Soul Dragon so they could control it.
Wonder if you are right. Would make a lot of sense.
Again, the giants are not dead. They become trees. The Dragon is not dead, it is rebuilding Seath's crystal.
Orochinagis
Member
So there is a extra shard thing of her in case you missed one?
Team B logic at its finest.
Team B logic at its finest.
He doesn't have to be the Ivory King for it to work, there could be some more info about him in the new place or some leftover experiments. I mean, who would have expected
Alva
It does seem to have a slight resemblance to the four kings.
As for why the Four Kings weren't mentioned, they didn't have a unique soul. Instead they used the fragment of the Lord Vessel Gwyn gave to them for safekeeping.
As for why the Four Kings weren't mentioned, they didn't have a unique soul. Instead they used the fragment of the Lord Vessel Gwyn gave to them for safekeeping.
IIRC thesame happens with Seath Soul. He and the Four Kings both drop a Bequeathed Lord Soul Shard.
He is. Agermanspy mentioned it a while ago in one of his videos
No it's not like the estus shards where's extras its those 12 and that's it.