Is he a danger to you due to you being scum, and you dying by an arsonist being a bigger threat to your alignment?
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Dark Souls Mafia |OT| Git Gud or Die Trying
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Is he a danger to you due to you being scum, and you dying by an arsonist being a bigger threat to your alignment?
hey_monkey
Banned
It does look nice.
Anyway, they always kind of have a free night, but on this night we have a doctor and the others and we ALL know it. What we do get if we flip is nothing. They get to do what they do anyway. We've got four anti-town out of 17 - not great odds for us. If someone really looks scummy, I'm happy to vote and take the shot. I think we should also definitely discuss other things - fake edit that Trigger has a point, we need stances - but day one often gives us so little and the odds of it being productive are so low. This is a totally different game and I think we should look at different modes. Multiple different modes, so what else can we come up with?
I mean "unless they are killed after they have claimed". Brains froze there, apparently.
That's also assuming that the Cop claims and the Hypnotist uses up their shot. I'd still prefer to give a lynch a shot today since we'll get that anti-town information tomorrow instead of waiting of pushing off information, and voting records, to a Day Phase where we won't get clear answer for a while.
tbh the second part of your post is the bit that worries me the most about this game. I rely off of flips and votes a lot and since we won't ever get clear answers I'm really worried about that moving forward. :x
Politely ask scum to raise their hands?
Muffin1611
Banned
Not "a danger to me". I meant arsonist gets more dangerous in that scenario is my impression.
Lord of Castamere
Member
Yes, we need to lynch. Odds of hitting are low, but it will give our specials one less target. I think the risk of hitting of hitting scum early, and stopping abilities, is worth it.
4 - 4 chance. I say we take it.
4 - 4 chance. I say we take it.
'will the real scum please stand up'
hey_monkey
Banned
Oh, I assume the cop won't claim but if they happen to hit scum, may seed it a little. The hypnotist, though, that's fucking cool. May they live forever.
Re: second point: I agree with you. I'm such a data house and this will require a total recalibration of my thinking.
I'll say this: ain't no damn town hookers. -.-
Big Hat Logan seems like a good asset for town, due to how the role is worded in the OP. " The player will be compelled to clearly announce their alignment at least 24 hours before the end of the following day phase." This sounds like that the Logan can do a public cop check without needing to claim by themselves, which would still leave their identity a secret for the scum/arsonist, while still helping town.
Lord of Castamere
Member
Does Godfather counter Hypnotize too?
I would assume so.
No. Yuria can hide herself from prying eyes but even she succumbs to the biggest hat in all of Lordran.
That said, the player is forced to announce alignment, not role.
hey_monkey
Banned
this is the best game
flatearthpandas
Member
Hypnotist is one shot, right?
Muffin1611
Banned
"One time night action", yup.
hey_monkey
Banned
Oh, wow, I missed that. I mean it would have been wildly overpowered I guess so that makes sense.
that's the secret role squidy didn't tell you about.
wait, what did you think I was saying above then?
hey_monkey
Banned
my brain just straight up ignored it because I had already decided that hypnotist would save the day, I guess. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯(I have no good answer beyond "whoops, am dumb, missed stuff, lol day one")
Muffin1611
Banned
Hi nin.
Talking about the Hypnotist I looked back over the role pm and I realized I forgot to add some information.
If you've been hypnotized and the day ends before your deadline you have 24 hours during the next day phase to state your alignment.
A hypnotized post will not have any highlighting or mod confirmation.
My apologies for any confusion.
If you've been hypnotized and the day ends before your deadline you have 24 hours during the next day phase to state your alignment.
A hypnotized post will not have any highlighting or mod confirmation.
My apologies for any confusion.
my brain just straight up ignored it because I had already decided that hypnotist would save the day, I guess. ¯\_(ツ
(I have no good answer beyond "whoops, am dumb, missed stuff, lol day one")
if I'm allowed to pull a Ty4on for a second, I slightly town read this tbh
is the world ready for another nin variant?
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So what this means is that the role is only really powerful if it hits scum, since it forces the hypnotised to admit being scum. If it hits town, it's lot less weak, unless we all do some sort of deal that nobody is allowed to state "I'm town", unless they are hit by the hypnosis.
Punished Nin 3.6
I mean, I'd assume the targeted individual probably has to say something specific like 'I am Town/Scum/Neutral' clearly in order for it to count. I'd imagine not complying with those rules would be punishable via Mod action at the very least. :x
Was kinda hoping we'd at least get a confirmed Townie even if they hit incorrectly but seeing as we don't even get Mod confirmation that hope is now out the window.
Muffin1611
Banned
We could make a rule that the person in question explicitly has to say that they were hit by the hypnotist, no? If two people do that then, one will have to be lying.
hey_monkey
Banned
No matter what strictures we put on it, it can be fake claimed. Then the hypnotist has to claim to counter.
I'm backing off from my no lynch question because this shit is complicated, y'all.
Thanks Bear, you're still the worst.
I don't think restricting town from claiming 'I'm town!' or some variation of 'You're making a HUGE mistake because I'm town!' is a feasible option. When someone's on the lynching block they may act erratically, say whatever to prove their innocence or cave under pressure, even blurting the above out when agitated. It's going to be a clusterfuck to word police all game, that it really isn't worth it.
Anyway, best option is for Hypnotist to claim whenever they feel necessary.
CornBurrito
Member
blah blah blah no lynch, blah blah blah lynch.
The correct answer is lynch. If we happen to luck on even putting votes on a scum member we have that valuable voting data for the next game. That's how I correctly pinned over half the scum team the last game I played. Voting records are (almost) everything.
Vote people
Vote: Christina Mackenzie
The correct answer is lynch. If we happen to luck on even putting votes on a scum member we have that valuable voting data for the next game. That's how I correctly pinned over half the scum team the last game I played. Voting records are (almost) everything.
Vote people
Vote: Christina Mackenzie
isaacnukem
Member
I think we should absolutely lynch someone today. If they flip, we'll know their alignment for sure and we need to just keep tabs about the alignments moving forward. I think as long as we don't have any shenanigans, we'll be fine. Also, may the arsonist have an early demise.
flatearthpandas
Member
Thinking about the setup, town is severely gimped while the arsonist is fine and scum are minorly inconvenienced.
Going off monkey's idea earlier, what if we only lynch on odd days so we can be sure of our flip alignments? It strikes me as extremely important we know our flip results. We know nks are going to be town. We'll know when the arsonist eats it no matter how they die. But if we lynch a town and a scum we won't actually know which was which, which is going to fuck with everyone's reads
Going off monkey's idea earlier, what if we only lynch on odd days so we can be sure of our flip alignments? It strikes me as extremely important we know our flip results. We know nks are going to be town. We'll know when the arsonist eats it no matter how they die. But if we lynch a town and a scum we won't actually know which was which, which is going to fuck with everyone's reads
isaacnukem
Member
Wouldn't that mean scum and the arsonist can win faster?
hey_monkey
Banned
Yeah, the way flips are handled is going to take some adjustment.
CornBurrito
Member
I believe this may be a good idea early on. But I don't believe we can win if we refuse to gamble at some point and lynch on an even day.
but it could be fun
Lord of Castamere
Member
Yes, vote.
Vote: isaacnukem
Vote: isaacnukem
hey_monkey
Banned
Yeah, I don't think we can make blanket statements to do anything (or not) because situations change.
Just the arsonist, not scum?
#scumtells
Arsonist can't be NKed, they can only be lynched.
no flips doesn't sound very fun, Nin :<
Sometimes we have to take what we get
flatearthpandas
Member
Eh, i think it's the best play for town. We always lynch because flips are useful town or scum. But with no flips, we should be careful not to confuse what information is available.
Sure, eventually we should have some confidence and there is always the chance of cop or hypnotist reveals. But for a start, it seems safe.
Forgot about that. The no lynch gives the arsonist a lot of freedom, which is bad. Especially because the information gained doesn't help us pin them down really.
Still, vs. blind lynch streaks that can confuse us even should we hit scum... Ugh.