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Dark Souls Mafia |OT| Git Gud or Die Trying

I mean, I've been ready to lynch Nin two times now, and his presence keeps fading in this game.

I pretty much haven't changed my view on oreo.

I don't know why FEP is doing what he's doing, it doesn't make any sense to me to tunnel this hard as town but the reasons scum would do it are also bordering on insanity.
 
possibilities for scum: FEP, isaac

FEP: is doing something. May be a tunneling townie. I see a lot of projection, possible scum tells, and certainly not reacting per his own scum/not-scum rubric. Part of me wonders if it's as simple as a scumFEP making some shaky decisions on kitsune and trying to cover by making nows and leaning on his townie cred. That could explain the focus - but it's about equal odds with tunneling townie. Regardless, unless he does something new, I'm not seeing the point of engaging him further this day phase.
isaacnukem: nonentity today. Behavior inconsistent with his claimed pro-town stances. Talked about this earlier. Asked him directly, since he speculated on his potential approach as neutral, about what would happen if he rolled scum. He's not weighing in on that or anything else; he's just absent.

possibilities for neutral: FEP, again; nin1000; oreo
Others have gone more in depth on FEP as neutral. I'm tired. I don't feel like doing it again.
nin1000: I put forth the idea of a neutral nin earlier as a possible explanation for aggression. His willingness to sit out the day phase here could be telling. I was thinking, too, about that turbo - if he'd already burrowed Trigger and CM, the turbo before CM talked more makes sense. Go ahead and end the day, Stan dies, he blows up two others, the NK isn't gonna be on one of his targets that night, since a still-alive doctor would protect the cop-claimed Trigger and scum wouldn't take the risk. So thinking back, I think nin is a good candidate for neutral.
oreomunsta: has been pretty engaged today. If neutral, unlikely he has any of the top candidates burrowed. If he's neutral, I expect he'll light up Muffin tonight, since Muffin is his scumread but he's voting nin. A neutral would vote someone else and hope to burn a scum at this point, I think.

Those are my cases.
just quoting myself for the new page for neutral discussion in particular
 
I mean, I've been ready to lynch Nin two times now, and his presence keeps fading in this game.

I pretty much haven't changed my view on oreo.

I don't know why FEP is doing what he's doing, it doesn't make any sense to me to tunnel this hard as town but the reasons scum would do it are also bordering on insanity.

I'm here, brah. You can ask me questions. But I would really suggest re-reading day 3. Watch monkey do everything she criticizes me for. Watch her treat CM the exact same as she treats me. My day 4 push on you was mostly just that I believed kits was town more than you were at the end. Even today, I've mostly read you as super bought into Monkey and probably salty at trying to lynch you yesterday and being hyper-aggressive today.

Let's talk oreo though. He's at least partially around. Unlike nin and isaac, although he's definitely got the lowest post count. But here for EoD posting reads is something.

Why do you think he's scum?
I can't really make a case for him as town, but he, isaac, nin, and to a lesser extent saw have at least entertained my side when they were here. Saw has given it the most legwork, but she swings pretty thoughtlessly. I can see you're thinking now too, which shows you give some kind of shit about the outcome.
 
I'm here, brah. You can ask me questions. But I would really suggest re-reading day 3. Watch monkey do everything she criticizes me for. Watch her treat CM the exact same as she treats me. My day 4 push on you was mostly just that I believed kits was town more than you were at the end. Even today, I've mostly read you as super bought into Monkey and probably salty at trying to lynch you yesterday and being hyper-aggressive today.

Let's talk oreo though. He's at least partially around. Unlike nin and isaac, although he's definitely got the lowest post count. But here for EoD posting reads is something.

Why do you think he's scum?
I can't really make a case for him as town, but he, isaac, nin, and to a lesser extent saw have at least entertained my side when they were here. Saw has given it the most legwork, but she swings pretty thoughtlessly. I can see you're thinking now too, which shows you give some kind of shit about the outcome.

I looked at the post numbers you mentioned before of D3, and I just don't see it, sorry.

Regarding oreo, I don't think he's scum, he's still my neutral candidate.

But we're in a situation where most (right?) agree lynching scum would be more beneficial than the neutral.

So Nin is looking like a good lynch. I've scumread him for a while, it only got worse, and monkeys neutral theory on him isn't bad either. Could be hitting scum or neutral here, most confident that we'd hit anti-town at least.
 
just quoting myself for the new page for neutral discussion in particular

I'd rather hear about mafia speculation tbh. I know you don't actually care about real reads or what's best for town, but mafia is going to be our easiest link to people since we actually caught one of them. Neutral has played a tight game. Could technically be anyone except you. I would be legit shook if Muffins was the neutral. We know it can't be you. I know it isn't me. Leaves oreo, nin, sawneeks, and isaac. Out of those, I would lean towards nin or sawneeks.

But the case for neutral specifically is going to be... was honestly scumhunting (unlike maf) and likely didn't want to vote CM or Trigger. If there's another ignite they also would have been uninterested in that lynch. But that's for tomorrow. Of course, it's also going to be somebody not interested in hunting the neutral. So there's a case for me, with pushing specifically for mafia today.
 
If anyone has any questions for me, I'm still available for a bit. Got a presentation to give during the last hour of this day, so hoping I can wrap up a little early to join back in
 
I looked at the post numbers you mentioned before of D3, and I just don't see it, sorry.

Regarding oreo, I don't think he's scum, he's still my neutral candidate.

But we're in a situation where most (right?) agree lynching scum would be more beneficial than the neutral.

So Nin is looking like a good lynch. I've scumread him for a while, it only got worse, and monkeys neutral theory on him isn't bad either. Could be hitting scum or neutral here, most confident that we'd hit anti-town at least.

Really? You don't think its weird that monkey has thrown shade on both me and oreo for using numbers to justify reads but she also did it... one time... to justify lynching CM before he was even counter-claimed?

At least any thoughts that my numbers arguing against that lynch carried the same logic I have used this day phase to prevent my own lynch i.e. not logical mafia behavior given the gamestate?

What do you think about her post opening day 3?

What do you think about kitsunelaine's big read on nin day 3?
 

nin1000

Banned
OK I am back and wtf the 2 players I that I think could be neutral put down votes on someone who is not even mafia or neutral.
It just seems like a wasted vote sorry but that is bs in the end it comes down to monkey muffin FEP saw and Me.

Dissapointing to say the least
 
Actually, to be fair, I can't remember exactly whether she was one of the one's who shaded oreo for that. Today she kind of appealed to him emotionally with a "sure you want to trust feps for arguing things that have got you scumread" kind of appeal. I'll look into who exactly threw oreio the numbers shade. Started pretty early game, always thought it was a bit strange he was catching that shade d1 when we were both mixed up in it, but (and still do) figure it was because he is better at it.
 
OK I am back and wtf the 2 players I that I think could be neutral put down votes on someone who is not even mafia or neutral.
It just seems like a wasted vote sorry but that is bs in the end it comes down to monkey muffin FEP saw and Me.

Dissapointing to say the least
Glad to see you, Nin.

Doubtful isaac's vote moves, I think we have to be thankful he voted at all today. Let's get a catch-up.
 

nin1000

Banned
Glad to see you, Nin.

Doubtful isaac's vote moves, I think we have to be thankful he voted at all today. Let's get a catch-up.

I doubt both of them will move their vote and muffin will likely put his vote down on me aswell. Infuriating dumb and something that will lose us the game.
But then again it's something I will have to take, since my actions brought them to this conclusion of me being scum.
 
Really? You don't think its weird that monkey has thrown shade on both me and oreo for using numbers to justify reads but she also did it... one time... to justify lynching CM before he was even counter-claimed?

The post didn't look particular weird to me, no.

At least any thoughts that my numbers arguing against that lynch carried the same logic I have used this day phase to prevent my own lynch i.e. not logical mafia behavior given the gamestate?

I guess. Then again, I don't think your behaviour is logical town, mafia or neutral behaviour anyway.

What do you think about her post opening day 3?

You're reading too much into it.

What do you think about kitsunelaine's big read on nin day 3?

Dunno.
 
I doubt both of them will move their vote and muffin will likely put his vote down on me aswell. Infuriating dumb and something that will lose us the game.
But then again it's something I will have to take, since my actions brought them to this conclusion of me being scum.

How is it dumb if your actions are at fault for it?
 

Sawneeks

Banned
Woke up sick (><) so dunno how much sense I'll make but I'll be around. I blame Muffin, who infected me via the internet.

D:

Goodness, feel better. Think we may just put you and Muffin in a closed room so you don't get others sick.
<3

I count it against results when we're talking about someone who wasn't on even the easiest scum lynch imaginable.

And it is about results. That's the difference between scum hunting and just posturing. You ought to know that because I think that's what makes you such a great scum player.

'Monkey isn't Scum Hunting' -> 'Scum Hunting means results' -> 'If you didn't find actual Scum then you're bad and Scum yourself'

One, you didn't answer my point about Muffin. Two, yes that is what can make Scum incredibly hard to find but are you honestly, honestly, saying that because Monkey wasn't on the PR red check and you were makes her Scum? Really?

Green checked player whose done what exactly? "Scum hunt." Where? What has that accomplished? Four pushing five mislynches and a scum defense? Good job, monkey. You get an F for effort if you're town and the rest of take an L.

If you want actual quotes I can dive back and get you some but the EXACT same argument can be thrown right at you. 'You're supposed to be Town, right? Where's your 'scum hunting'? Just helping lynch the player who got checked by the Hypnotist? Doesn't sound like actual scum hunting to me, sounds like your team got caught and you just had to buss a teammate'. See?

Just repetitive but we're already fresh out of luck. If you want to risk a mislynch you ought to to it sensibly and even that likely ends in disaster. Numbers are on this page.

We have a mislynch left =/= fresh out of luck. Maybe we just interpret it differently but since we still have 1 fuck up without the game ending I count that as still having some luck left.

No they aren't. Since when do you have to be convinced to throw shade? Monkey's been shading her fucking self since d4. Guess it's pretty scummy she hasn't self voted yet.

When your shade equates to statements like

hey_monkey: cop cleared. trying to argue off of the extremely likely scum exposure. the excuse of not being sure doesn't fly with me because we just finished love boat 2, where the number one lesson should be lynch suspicious crap and don't let town hookers live. hypnotized people claiming scum as a "joke" are town hookers. lynch them. reserving judgement for now but as i said yesterday, not impressed with that.

nin1000: no strong thoughts, doing this list off the top of my head. i said earlier that i really appreciated the turbo, but then he did it in the most clueless and actually kind of shady way possible so i don't really like that aspect. something for me to look into.

muffin1611: not a lot of thoughts off the top of my head. pretty good feeling.

isaacnukem: strange to see this spike in activity but not necessarily alignment indicative. if you've got more free time, that's great.

kitsunelaine: saw, you asked me for a read. i don't have many deep reads right now. kits is playing a lot like lb, where she was my scum partner. she's been under very light pressure this game though. worth pursuing today.

oreomunsta: i still feel good about oreo. if he is trying to misdirect town, he's doing it very naturally. while i still think that he and i came to the wrong conclusions day 1, I think we were both doing it with the proper spirit. town read.

sawneeks: my other scum buddy from a few weeks back. was a bit nervous at first, as i saw some play that reminded me of lb but that feeling has faded. i need to read over again to make sure i didn't just miss anything, but i feel pretty good about saw so far. i could go into more detail but i'd rather not really coach it one way or another.

rac: don't have a big read on rac. neutral to good feelings.

flatearthpandas: it'sa me.

I would say I'm more inclined to believe scum team was Stan, Kits, and ?? (not nin). Although both kits and stan shared a vote on me d1 which would be unusual behavior, kits was a joke vote and stan was pressuring in a fairly townie way.

Vote: Kitsunelaine

I'm calling scum. Very similar to the scum play I'm intimately familiar with. And then the nin vote yesterday. I'll reread the nin case today but really yesterday it was just not going to happen. The somehow missing that a cop check had happened is kind of good vibes because scum shouldn't be doing things like that... of course town shouldn't either. But the second nin vote. That was scum as hell and those excuses don't fly. Contested claims, blatant anti-town shit coming from all sides, there is no case to be made for a third party. At least, not at that time. However, monkey was basically the same except pushing a much more dangerous target i.e. one that could actually potentially swing people off of stan. Trigger was also there but I'm pretty sure he was town. Stan was on that vote as well.

So let's pretend trigger was just a miffed cop really not having the fake claim. Scum still kind of wants to protect stan if possible... I guess. Seems dumb but whatever. Monkey is godfather with the green check, even easier to team up with trigger who checked her and jump on the CM vote. Stan obviously votes for preservation, even though he supposedly had given up and that's why it was okay to joke about being scum in the hypnosis state. Nah. He was in the game, he had given up because he was exposed but still going through the motions. Anyway, scum kits can't really jump on this suicide protection. Has no coaching from a team, but doesn't want to contribute to teammate lynch. Continues the nin hate, where coincidentally stan had also tossed his vote. Reads alright to me.

It seemed like you were shading her enough to justify a vote but never went there, just 'teased the idea'.

also, I left in your reads there for a reason. At the time you were saying Kits played exactly like LB2 and she was Scum, not to mention you openly Town-Read the person you actually left your vote on for that Day Phase, Muffin. Reading it over, what exactly caused your sharp shift over to Muffin? You seemed to swing really wildly the last Day Phase.

Tbh I'm sitting between a FEP and an oreo vote right now

TIL Muffin is me
 
FEP, we've been arguing over this same topic the entire day phase now with no room for anything else, so sorry if I'm not particular interested right now to keep going, especially being a bit busy right now. And monkeys last post is absolutely true.

If I could, I would lynch you both right now FEP and Nin :p
 
We now have two widely read neutral suspect on a Nin lynch, great.

I really don't know what to do. I really wanna lynch FEP for today, but not going for the Nin lynch AGAIN after talking about it does seem pretty weak :/
 

Sawneeks

Banned
I'd rather hear about mafia speculation tbh. I know you don't actually care about real reads or what's best for town, but mafia is going to be our easiest link to people since we actually caught one of them. Neutral has played a tight game. Could technically be anyone except you. I would be legit shook if Muffins was the neutral. We know it can't be you. I know it isn't me. Leaves oreo, nin, sawneeks, and isaac. Out of those, I would lean towards nin or sawneeks.

But the case for neutral specifically is going to be... was honestly scumhunting (unlike maf) and likely didn't want to vote CM or Trigger. If there's another ignite they also would have been uninterested in that lynch. But that's for tomorrow. Of course, it's also going to be somebody not interested in hunting the neutral. So there's a case for me, with pushing specifically for mafia today.

Why do you say that like it's a certainty?

Sorry, I thought I had more time. I truly believe nin is scum.

VOTE: nin1000

...and I'm back to sleep.

.....

disappears only to reappear and just vote with little explanation. This is not helpful. :|
 
You know, you can go hard on me without being continually insulting over several days. It's possible.
I hope you won't take it to heart outside the game. For what it's worth, I apologize. But I honestly don't think you are invested in what is best for town this day. But if you want to really bang on the neutral, fair play. We have one hour, and it is best that we lynch mafia if possible. If you can really sell a neutral, it's obviously better than a possible mislynch. I just don't know how we make a convincing argument about a neutral now.

I think our best play right now is clearing likely town and firing into whatever is left. If we were to effectively call you town, which we basically have to because muffin won't lynch you and oreo and isaac are both on nin. Which is awkward because if you, muffin, and saw all pile on me I could tie the vote. Leaving nin as the tiebreaker. Which I don't think any of us want, to be honest. No one ever ran number on a no lynch today. It would probably be preferable to a mislynch but I don't think we even have time to go into it so probably just write that off anyway.

Whatever else we might think about her, she really wanted Nin gone. May be worth a check, ne?
 
neutral likely to ignite tonight. who burns? I can't say for sure which of my candidates for neutral is most likely. isaac/possible scum on a nin vote makes me uncertain. With no discussion of my suspicion on nin and oreo (oreo's vote on nin while scumreading Muffin is not a good look), I'm tempted to default to voting for FEP, who just seems determined to shut down all other discussion today and now we have less than an hour.

Will entertain arguments on oreo and nin, now possibly in that order. I'll be here.

vote: flatearthpandas
 

Sawneeks

Banned
going to grab a snack for breakfast and i'll be right back.

if you want my FEP reasoning it's this: I didn't entertain much of a Scum!FEP because I thought him going that far out was ridiculous. That is, until I started arguing with him and he pulled out BS justifications for his reasons like 'scum hunting is only based on results', ignoring the fact I keep bringing up Muffin as the other candidate that fits his criteria ( sans green check ), and overall his flimsy explinations for the vast majority of what he has against Monkey.

It reads like some who isn't in a Tunnel for Town's benefit but for their own, to what end I don't know, but the flimsy way he keeps backing himself up is showing me that level of desperation isn't something that's trying to help Town.
 
Not doing megaposts I said, saw. Feel free to dig up those quotes if you want.

With any mislynch, we have a huge chance of losing, I will say. You're acting pretty nonchalant about it, more than I ever was. The numbers are back a page or two. But believe we are in huge trouble with a mislynch. So just be sure.
 
going to grab a snack for breakfast and i'll be right back.

if you want my FEP reasoning it's this: I didn't entertain much of a Scum!FEP because I thought him going that far out was ridiculous. That is, until I started arguing with him and he pulled out BS justifications for his reasons like 'scum hunting is only based on results', ignoring the fact I keep bringing up Muffin as the other candidate that fits his criteria ( sans green check ), and overall his flimsy explinations for the vast majority of what he has against Monkey.

It reads like some who isn't in a Tunnel for Town's benefit but for their own, to what end I don't know, but the flimsy way he keeps backing himself up is showing me that level of desperation isn't something that's trying to help Town.

You arguing I'm neutral then, I guess?
 
I hope you won't take it to heart outside the game. For what it's worth, I apologize.
It's been pretty personal, so frankly it's hard not to, but for what it's worth in return, I appreciate the apology.

Leaving nin as the tiebreaker. Which I don't think any of us want, to be honest. No one ever ran number on a no lynch today. It would probably be preferable to a mislynch but I don't think we even have time to go into it so probably just write that off anyway.

Whatever else we might think about her, she really wanted Nin gone. May be worth a check, ne?

Now this I agree with. Nin should not be the tiebreaker. But kits' reasons for focusing on nin over all else felt pretty empty and they didn't change from game start, even though nin changed. It's hard for me to get behind that reasoning.
 
No lynch

Best (maf hits n, n ignites m): 4t 1m 1n
not bad

Meh (m hits n, n ignites t): 3t 2m 1n
m gets two guaranteed nks before town can lynch both. game over

Meh2 (m hits t, no ignite): 3t 2m 1n
same deal almost, except m can still hit n on accident. so slightly better chances

Worst (m hits t, n ignites t): 2t 2m 1n
basically fucked. m can still fuck up a nk. meh1 might actually be the real worst.

Anyway, best case will be impossible. Definitely not the way to go, we need to hit scum today.
 
That a person who I think was probably scum and I helped lynched was behind a Nin lynch isn't really helping my confidence on my Nin scum read, if you mean that.

We don't have her flip, but fair enough. Not really trying to talk you out it, just there were some focused reads of possible quality. To be honest, I didn't even read them. They were just irrelevant when posted.
 
Let's try that again.
Why are you basing anything on Kits when we don't even have a guess as to what her alignment is?

Not basing shit. But if he wants to push Nin, she had by far the most indepth reads on him. Most people have just ignored him and I noticed it while I did my d3 re-read earlier.


I'm arguing you're either at this point, your arguments are so flimsy and desperate I honestly think at this point you're Anti-Town either way.
Well, I hoped for better.
 
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oreomunsta (0):
muffin1611 1491 (1662)

hey_monkey (1):
flatearthpandas 1632

isaacnukem (0):

flatearthpandas (2):
sawneeks 1725
hey_monkey 1727

nin1000 (2):
oreomunsta 1673
isaacnukem 1710

so no one feels great about isaac or oreo so far as I know, unless I forgot someone listing them as town, but they have no votes.

re: scenario: I am not scum. You argued so hard I literally went back and checked my PM early in the phase just to make sure I didn't misread anything.

If town lynches arsonist, no ignition happens. 1-2 scum remain. While it would be nice to see mafia bork a night kill on the arsonist, I will take an arsonist lynch and arsonist death over that.
 
Shit, I accidentally edited that last one. Meant to make a new post just with the quotes fixed. Full transparency, apologies to town if that's a modkill. No text changed, the top part added. Honestly, was not trying to edit. Wanted to make a new post.
 
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so no one feels great about isaac or oreo so far as I know, unless I forgot someone listing them as town, but they have no votes.

re: scenario: I am not scum. You argued so hard I literally went back and checked my PM early in the phase just to make sure I didn't misread anything.

If town lynches arsonist, no ignition happens. 1-2 scum remain. While it would be nice to see mafia bork a night kill on the arsonist, I will take an arsonist lynch and arsonist death over that.

Yeah, it's definitely better than a mislynch. We'll be in a two-day lylo but that's definitely winnable. We got 30 minutes to bang it out.
 
re: scenario: I am not scum. You argued so hard I literally went back and checked my PM early in the phase just to make sure I didn't misread anything.
and before anyone makes a fuss, this is a joke. it's not funny, i realized, after i posted. but whatever. i'm tired and cranky.
 
and before anyone makes a fuss, this is a joke. it's not funny, i realized, after i posted. but whatever. i'm tired and cranky.

You would have been the only claiming to even remotely be moved by anything. I understand the paranoia though. I fucked up today, whether I was right about you or not.
 
My worst irrational fear right now is that we have a masterfully manipulative monkey-Sawneeks scum team at our hands.

But I'm not one for conspiracy theories.

So, what the hell, who cares if me not lynching Nin again looks weak or something

The seemingly endless monkey tunneling makes me think FEP will be even less helpful than Nin tomorrow, on the chance that she isn't the scum of the two

VOTE: flatearthpandas
 

Sawneeks

Banned
My worst irrational fear right now is that we have a masterfully manipulative monkey-Sawneeks scum team at our hands.

But I'm not one for conspiracy theories.

So, what the hell, who cares if me not lynching Nin again looks weak or something

The seemingly endless monkey tunneling makes me think FEP will be even less helpful than Nin tomorrow, on the chance that she isn't the scum of the two

VOTE: flatearthpandas

Not gonna lie i'm vaguely worried I'm just buying into Scum!Monkey's game despite enough evidence to say otherwise. Doesn't stop the paranoia though. :x

If anyone wants to make a shift to oreomunsta, who is doing the same shade/vote switch, I'm 100% okay with that too.

I'm still really tempted to lynch him too but if we don't solve this now then it's likely tomorrow in an even worse situation.
 

squidyj

Member
oreomunsta (0)
muffin1611 1491 (1662)

hey_monkey (1)
flatearthpandas 1501 (1544)
flatearthpandas 1544 (1565)
flatearthpandas 1632

isaacnukem (0)
hey_monkey 1524 (1534)

flatearthpandas (3)
hey_monkey 1631 (1675)
sawneeks 1725
hey_monkey 1727
muffin1611 1742

nin1000 (2)
oreomunsta 1673
isaacnukem 1710

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4 votes for majority
 
shade/vote - saying someone is your top scum pick and then voting for someone else.

oreo said muffin is scum. voting for nin.

Sawneeks, right now I'm looking at Muffin and wondering if I'm getting played by scumMuffin. I think we are all paranoid as shit right now.
 
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