Which btw had rac on the unfortunate role of being subjected to dead weight lynch that let scum win easily. Not rac's fault, but an observation that lead me to insert him to the list.
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Dark Souls Mafia |OT| Git Gud or Die Trying
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Which btw had rac on the unfortunate role of being subjected to dead weight lynch that let scum win easily. Not rac's fault, but an observation that lead me to insert him to the list.
its not like my lynch wasn't preventable, in anime mafia i was going up against a fake red check
You were also going up for the lynch day before that, but that ended up in a tie (against another town, no less).
Yes. That is my master plan. I'm protecting my scum mates hey_monkey, Castamere and you from being lynched.
The problem with lynching dead weight later is that later mislynches will also give scum much more voting power in terms of their voting power percentage getting higher increase in comparison to us lynching dead weight D1. The people I left out of the list are also people I consider to be at least more talkative/contributive to the game, and it's a classical scum tactic for trying to remove all louder voices of discussion in order to control the game more easily. I'm not interested in giving scum that advantage from the start.
No no, we're supposed to 'fight' in the main thread, not admit we're fake fighting for townie points. Gosh Burb, read the Scum manual.
Normally I wouldn't totally be against this idea since I do agree with you ( hell, I've lead late-game mislynches like that many times ) but considering the game we're in and the fact that the Day 1 lynch is arguably one of the most important lynches in this game I think it's crazy to gamble it simply because you think these people can future mislynches and nothing else. This is the ONLY Lynch we have, baring doing some No Lynch Plan, that will give us information on who we lynched and if we got it right. You even said so yourself that some of these people can be 'easy lynches' so I find it really scummy that you're pushing for their lynch on the only Day we get some real info.
But do you really want to lynch a player on D1 who is one of the more talkative ones? I know only D1 flip will give us 100% info on alignment, but I'm also trying to consider the later concequences. Flips aren't the only thing that matter. What also matters is having a healthy, strong town that doesn't turn into apathy after all of the potential town leaders have been axed.
You were also going up for the lynch day before that, but that ended up in a tie (against another town, no less).
guess i put that out of my mind
but if you want to call out dead weight after 2 pages of no lynch and rule debates thats fine
I'm not saying anyone is dead weight at this point of the game. We have had very little to non relevant discussion during D1 from anyone (that includes me).
I'm discussing on what's going to happen in the future. I want to remove at least part of the problem that has been plaguing multiple gafia games, and one of the primary sources for scum victories lately.
I'm discussing on what's going to happen in the future. I want to remove at least part of the problem that has been plaguing multiple gafia games, and one of the primary sources for scum victories lately.
hey_monkey
Banned
But do you really want to lynch a player on D1 who is one of the more talkative ones? I know only D1 flip will give us 100% info on alignment, but I'm also trying to consider the later concequences. Flips aren't the only thing that matter. What also matters is having a healthy, strong town that doesn't turn into apathy after all of the potential town leaders have been axed.
Potentially. I would lynch Sawneeks if it was viable because her behavior already reads scummy to me so even though I think she is a delightful human, I believe she is not so much fostering discussion as directing it.
Otherwise I like your logic on lower activity players. It's going to be hard here to decide between choosing there. Today might be a good day to strike there and excise some weight, but I'd wait until closer to deadline to choose.
If I had to Lifeline this and attempt to solve the game right now, my gut-tastic hot take game solution is Fireblend, Sawneeks, and CM for scum, with nin or kitsunelaine as the neutral. Nin may be running high aggressive because we probably won't lynch for it and if neutral, is safe from NK. Kits on the other hand is already playing differently than she has as either scum or town. Less defensive. I'm shocked she didn't write a screed against me for voting her, which she did before as both town and scum.
The vote, you see, was not quite so lazy.
Sawneeks is always active and helpful player, regardless of alignment. That makes her dangerous as scum, but also valuable asset to town if she is town.
My biggest curiosity is her vote on Oreomunsta right now. It feels like intimidation vote on less experienced player, something she has done as scum before.
My biggest curiosity is her vote on Oreomunsta right now. It feels like intimidation vote on less experienced player, something she has done as scum before.
hey_monkey
Banned
Yep. That vote on Oreo feels like an attempt to create something. It rings false. Lots of people have miscounted or offered different perspectives on the lynch/no lynch discussion. Even the player she's piggybacking didn't push that hard.
Not sure this went through - am in a low signal area:
And for the record, this is why I'm a little sus of Fireblend. Busy? No problem; we all get busy. Drive-by addition though to kill a major part of the day's discussion in an already quiet game? Hmm. We need to be able to openly discuss without fear so we can see what people do. This bugs me.
Not sure this went through - am in a low signal area:
Hey guys sorry for my inactivity today despite promising to be more active. I'll try to share more and actually put a vote down on someone tomorrow, specially since I have a class to plan for tomorrow morning right now and can't give this thread much attention.
Do want to say that I would rather lynch everyday if anything because this is already a game in which we have little control and information and every bit of agency helps. I'm trying to stop myself from scum-reading people who want to take that agency away.
I'll actually look at the player list tomorrow and start writing down thoughts on people, as useless as that is on D1.
And for the record, this is why I'm a little sus of Fireblend. Busy? No problem; we all get busy. Drive-by addition though to kill a major part of the day's discussion in an already quiet game? Hmm. We need to be able to openly discuss without fear so we can see what people do. This bugs me.
But do you really want to lynch a player on D1 who is one of the more talkative ones? I know only D1 flip will give us 100% info on alignment, but I'm also trying to consider the later concequences. Flips aren't the only thing that matter. What also matters is having a healthy, strong town that doesn't turn into apathy after all of the potential town leaders have been axed.
I'd prefer to lynch where I think Scum is regardless of whether or not they're talking a lot or barely talking. Flips aren't the only thing that matter but their a pretty important thing to use so we can draw conclusions and find connections. I think you're taking this as a 'I don't think we should lynch low activity people' stance, something which I never said. If the person we lynch today is low activity, fine, but having their death simply be because of their danger later sounds like the easiest excuse for a mislynch right now.
Potentially. I would lynch Sawneeks if it was viable because her behavior already reads scummy to me so even though I think she is a delightful human, I believe she is not so much fostering discussion as directing it.
Otherwise I like your logic on lower activity players. It's going to be hard here to decide between choosing there. Today might be a good day to strike there and excise some weight, but I'd wait until closer to deadline to choose.
If I had to Lifeline this and attempt to solve the game right now, my gut-tastic hot take game solution is Fireblend, Sawneeks, and CM for scum, with nin or kitsunelaine as the neutral. Nin may be running high aggressive because we probably won't lynch for it and if neutral, is safe from NK. Kits on the other hand is already playing differently than she has as either scum or town. Less defensive. I'm shocked she didn't write a screed against me for voting her, which she did before as both town and scum.
The vote, you see, was not quite so lazy.
Thanks Monkey....I think.
</3
Also please elaborate on your Scum Reads of Fireblend and CM because Fireblend has actively given us nothing to work with and that's a terribly easy scum read to make.
Sawneeks is always active and helpful player, regardless of alignment. That makes her dangerous as scum, but also valuable asset to town if she is town.
My biggest curiosity is her vote on Oreomunsta right now. It feels like intimidation vote on less experienced player, something she has done as scum before.
Am I suddenly not allowed to vote for pressure???
LoC is a season 1 veteran. Don't underestimate him. His Win/Loss ratio is unparalleled.So are any of these people new? I don't know LoC or CM, but I got the sense they weren't new?
CM is also experienced and should be doing god's work in a bit.
You are allowed to vote for pressure. This vote in particular just seemed little weird to me, because it didn't sound like a "I want to lynch oreo" vote, and more "I'm making a potshot, and moving this vote later". You keep talking about stances to lynch scum, but you haven't made any real stances except for stating you think I'm suspicious.
also for some of them sick Day 1 hot takes
I like Nin so far, wouldn't want him lynched despite all the shade falling his way right now.
Finally someone who appreciates being real and not fearing anything.
I've been back and forth on Monkey a bit because early on her flip-flopping answers about lynch v. no lynch almost felt like she was simply trying to please whoever she was talking to. However, I can also see that as her simply being really uncertain as to how to proceed this game but it's something I noted.
Even after several posts of her she is a blank space in my mind. Did not really play enough with her to really get to know how she plays.
Don't like Burb. Mostly mechanics talk and not much else reminds me of a certain Scum game we were both in and he's fitting all the check boxes right now.
To be fair, his cold way of playing the game just checks the boxes of him being him, I don't really know how he would play otherwise.
Everyone else is mostly a whole lotta nothin. I don't see the hardliners of Lynch v. No Lynch as scummy or not since most can somewhat back up their thoughts ( except for Oreo's which i still don't understand ) and that's really it. Seeing the roster before the game started it already looked like this would be a quieter game so I'm not terribly shocked with how slow it is right now. Hopefully we can start drumming some stuff up before we just scramble at Day End and cause a mess.
The sad part is that I have to agree on that. Day phase is almost over and not everyone has checked in my book ( of course everyone did but only to make a post and not even reach lowest activity. I know you can blame me for not making posts that have substance but at least I am showing activity and am open for discussion.
Right now I would want to lynch dead weight on D1. The day has been fairly quiet, and I suspect some players could turn into meat shield for scum to hide in (assuming they are town) by being not very contributive as a whole.
I don't have much in terms of reads because whole bunch of nothing has happened. Nin is being nin, aggressive without much substance. Sawneeks is making points to seem helpful without really doing much anything, same thing she does as scum. Monkey seems helpful in a more sincere way, but I haven't seen her scum game yet to make comparisons.
Sorry but you have played several with me and that statement is just plain wrong.
Every game someone who just does not know how to read me makes this dumb statement. What does nin being nin mean ? There are several players who did not play with me until now, what can they do with such a statement ? Exactly nothing. And for the 2nd part of me being agressive, that's also untrue and you know it burb. You should know the best and I feel bad that you put the least amount of effort into this post.
Yep. That vote on Oreo feels like an attempt to create something. It rings false. Lots of people have miscounted or offered different perspectives on the lynch/no lynch discussion. Even the player she's piggybacking didn't push that hard.
And for the record, this is why I'm a little sus of Fireblend. Busy? No problem; we all get busy. Drive-by addition though to kill a major part of the day's discussion in an already quiet game? Hmm. We need to be able to openly discuss without fear so we can see what people do. This bugs me.
I even stated in my post that people are taking different stances on the issue and that wasn't my problem, my problem was I don't get Ouro's logic for why he thinks that way and I want to hear his elaborated answer that FEP asked for.
Also didn't you make the exact same kind of post right after Fire did?
You are allowed to vote for pressure. This vote in particular just seemed little weird to me, because it didn't sound like a "I want to lynch oreo" vote, and more "I'm making a potshot, and moving this vote later". You keep talking about stances to lynch scum, but you haven't made any real stances except for stating you think I'm suspicious.
I haven't decided if I want to lynch Oreo; did anything in my vote post say 'let's kill him today'? Pressure votes aren't even 'I'm going to kill you votes' either, their there to get attention and put people on the hot-seat so they answer questions directed at them.
Also what about my other stances that you're just ignoring? I don't want Nin lynched, I think Monkey is being slightly suspicious, Oreo's logic isn't making sense - are these not stances?
Sorry but you have played several with me and that statement is just plain wrong.
Every game someone who just does not know how to read me makes this dumb statement. What does nin being nin mean ? There are several players who did not play with me until now, what can they do with such a statement ? Exactly nothing. And for the 2nd part of me being agressive, that's also untrue and you know it burb. You should know the best and I feel bad that you put the least amount of effort into this post.
For the first bolded: Your posts are usually quite short, and have short questions to people that might or might not lead anywhere. Once you get a read on someone, you usually tunnel on it hard (this part hasn't happened yet). You also get intimidated quite easily, which I feel has happened in this already. That last post above from you was fairly long though. But these are my reads on how you usually post in games.
For the second bolded: I mean. I read this post as fairly aggressive one, for example. You might not consider it to be aggressive, but I do.
Muffin1611
Banned
I even stated in my post that people are taking different stances on the issue and that wasn't my problem, my problem was I don't get Ouro's logic
Poor Ouro, being interrogated without being in the game :^)
Going to bed now. Will check in around 6 hours from now when my shift starts.
Have a good one
Night Nin!
Poor Ouro, being interrogated without being in the game :^)
Hahaha, oops. Sorry Oreo.
For the second bolded: I mean. I read this post as fairly aggressive one, for example. You might not consider it to be aggressive, but I do.
Well it reads agressive because this statement made about me before was not true.
You just can't say " hey you sure are agressive"
" That's not true mate , when the hell was I agressive?"
" Now for example"
That's not how it works burb.
1. I haven't decided if I want to lynch Oreo; did anything in my vote post say 'let's kill him today'? Pressure votes aren't even 'I'm going to kill you votes' either, their there to get attention and put people on the hot-seat so they answer questions directed at them.
2. Also what about my other stances that you're just ignoring? I don't want Nin lynched, I think Monkey is being slightly suspicious, Oreo's logic isn't making sense - are these not stances?
1. We are now less than 24 hours away from day ending. The time to make votes for lazy pressure is over, especially when the game is going as slow as it is.
2. Stance on nin is something anyone could make, there hasn't been that much push for him to be lynched, even if people throw shade at him. Monkey and Oreo stances I don't consider stances directly linked to actually hunting scum. They are just observations to me. And observations are fine, I make them too. But I do think that your only clear stance taken towards actual scum hunting is the one about me.
As a note, when I say nin is aggressive, I mean in a passive-aggressive way. He isn't usually direct about it.
These are the posts that gave me those vibes. Obviously it's just my POV, and I could be wrong. Also nin's action so far aren't Alignment Indicative at all. Although his response to me calling him aggressive is interesting.
hey it was just a light poke mate,
dont worry about it,
you have seen nothing yet
Wenn all should start Shit Posting then ?
That's just wrong muffin and you know it.
You go with what you get. Posts that were made and responding to it or ask something.
Try to get into the discussion. If you don't like the discussion. Create your own
I like how invested you are in the game FEP.
almost gives me the impression that you are at a safe spot.
😏😏😏😏😏😏
These are the posts that gave me those vibes. Obviously it's just my POV, and I could be wrong. Also nin's action so far aren't Alignment Indicative at all. Although his response to me calling him aggressive is interesting.
flatearthpandas
Member
Doubling down on CornBurrito.
Best excuse for his anti-town bs is he doesn't know the rules, despite being a vet. And have since only seen one reasonable excuse for carrying in business as usual, from sawneeks, who also admitted that she miscounted.
Seriously, people not taking mechanics seriously. This game is stacked against town. On the contrary to fireblend and monkey, i am scumreading everyone not carefully considering town's best interests mechanics wise. Especially d1. We don't need these people. Kill them.
Best excuse for his anti-town bs is he doesn't know the rules, despite being a vet. And have since only seen one reasonable excuse for carrying in business as usual, from sawneeks, who also admitted that she miscounted.
Seriously, people not taking mechanics seriously. This game is stacked against town. On the contrary to fireblend and monkey, i am scumreading everyone not carefully considering town's best interests mechanics wise. Especially d1. We don't need these people. Kill them.
flatearthpandas
Member
Vote: CornBurrito
hey_monkey
Banned
Also didn't you make the exact same kind of post right after Fire did?
Not even a little bit. I'm actively participating in the discussions, not trying to shut them down. Like FEP, though not as extreme, I am a little suspicious of anyone not taking the rule changes into account. Fireblend, in that post, essentially said "not only am I not gonna be here for a bit longer (which, again, fine), but I'm discounting an entire line of discussion to the point of scumreading it, too."
There's a lot packed into that driveby post - a critique of several players and their strategies embedded, but it feels calculated to look quite casual.
For now,
VOTE: Trigger
Because I can see a scum oreomunsta/kitsunelaine panic from pressure later on due to no scum chat backing them up, rac could potentially be misplaced on this list and isaac is a player I don't have good enough read on to say for sure. But I can see with Trigger two things happening:
1. If he is town, scum will use him as dead weight later in an important day phase to detrimental results for town
2. Or if he is scum, I can see him fall into obscurity and blender himself to victory.
We don't have much material on right now. But I'm not interested in lynching any of the louder spokespeople on Day 1.
Eh, I don't see how the same couldn't be said of any player. We could all be a threat later down the road depending on how scum approaches this game. If it means anything, the one game that I was scum I never "blended in". My posting rate was has always been a constant source of suspicion. I think the real issue is targeting low activity players while not scrutinizing high activity players.
Muffin1611
Banned
I think the real issue is targeting low activity players while not scrutinizing high activity players.
I have to agree with this. I did that in LB2 and right now it's hard for me not to give people who are engaging much a pass (well, with the exception of nin). Long posts with much substance always register well with me, when it may be in scums best interests to have at least one high activity player appearing to lead town and scum hunt. Might be a bad habit to have.
hey_monkey
Banned
I don't fully disagree here (sorry, I missed this post earlier while on mobile). BUT - I keep seeing games start with people roundly saying WE WILL LYNCH THE LOW ACTIVITY POSTERS! and then never doing it. And then, well. Shit gets real later.I'd prefer to lynch where I think Scum is regardless of whether or not they're talking a lot or barely talking. Flips aren't the only thing that matter but their a pretty important thing to use so we can draw conclusions and find connections. I think you're taking this as a 'I don't think we should lynch low activity people' stance, something which I never said. If the person we lynch today is low activity, fine, but having their death simply be because of their danger later sounds like the easiest excuse for a mislynch right now.
But if this is a GAME fully populated by more low than high activity posters, we may have to recalibrate there, too.
<3 you loads, trust you none.Thanks Monkey....I think.</3
I didn't talk about CM but I think the weird "CornBurrito is currently leading" statement with all of two votes was TOTALLY out of left field. Such an odd thing to say, and I felt it was double odd that you said CM was hot out of the gate or whatever. 2+2=math, I hear.
I'm here. Gotta catch up on this page.
I didn't intend to kill that discussion. As far as I was concerned it was already dead and I was arriving late to chime in. What would I have prevented by making a veiled thread on a discussion that already ran its course? As if regurgitating the same old topic ad nauseam was going to be the silver bullet against scum-me or my team.
And for the record, this is why I'm a little sus of Fireblend. Busy? No problem; we all get busy. Drive-by addition though to kill a major part of the day's discussion in an already quiet game? Hmm. We need to be able to openly discuss without fear so we can see what people do. This bugs me.
I didn't intend to kill that discussion. As far as I was concerned it was already dead and I was arriving late to chime in. What would I have prevented by making a veiled thread on a discussion that already ran its course? As if regurgitating the same old topic ad nauseam was going to be the silver bullet against scum-me or my team.
On the topic of whether to lynch "dead weight" now or later, I know I'm in that category so this looks like self-preservation, but I think we should consider that scum has no way to communicate between themselves other than voting in-between days for the night kill, so I would expect them to lynch way more "safely" than if they had the chance to communicate. I know I would probably vote for people who haven't said much, in order to provide the least information to town in a game that already denies and delays information getting to us.
hey_monkey
Banned
On the topic of whether to lynch "dead weight" now or later, I know I'm in that category so this looks like self-preservation, but I think we should consider that scum has no way to communicate between themselves other than voting in-between days for the night kill, so I would expect them to lynch way more "safely" than if they had the chance to communicate. I know I would probably vote for people who haven't said much, in order to provide the least information to town in a game that already denies and delays information getting to us.
I like this point - but would also counter with a question. And this may speak to the fact that I'm still newish so maybe I'm totally off base, so just asking: in a game where scum can't communicate, would they want higher activity posters gone, or lower? The people who move the game along, or the ones who don't do much? Or would that combine with what you're suggesting? Lower for lynches, higher for NKs?
Quiet town benefits scum regardless - do they make that happen here?
1. We are now less than 24 hours away from day ending. The time to make votes for lazy pressure is over, especially when the game is going as slow as it is.
2. Stance on nin is something anyone could make, there hasn't been that much push for him to be lynched, even if people throw shade at him. Monkey and Oreo stances I don't consider stances directly linked to actually hunting scum. They are just observations to me. And observations are fine, I make them too. But I do think that your only clear stance taken towards actual scum hunting is the one about me.
1. So my vote went from 'hidden agenda' to 'lazy pressure' - which one is it? I'll also move my vote when I want to. :U
2. So basically your answer is 'yeah those are stances but I don't consider them stances'. Also how is my observation of you any different of my observation of Nin or Monkey? They're all essentially gut reads based on the little I've seen so far so I don't get why mine against you suddenly has more weight to it.
Not even a little bit. I'm actively participating in the discussions, not trying to shut them down. Like FEP, though not as extreme, I am a little suspicious of anyone not taking the rule changes into account. Fireblend, in that post, essentially said "not only am I not gonna be here for a bit longer (which, again, fine), but I'm discounting an entire line of discussion to the point of scumreading it, too."
There's a lot packed into that driveby post - a critique of several players and their strategies embedded, but it feels calculated to look quite casual.
I'm not saying you're trying to shut down discussion - in fact you've been one of the few people to be actively engaged in them so far. I just don't see much of a different between
By the same token, I'm trying not to scumread anyone who isn't willing to discuss the idea that alternate methods of play may be more suitable for games with alternate rules, so I guess we're sort of on the same page with that.
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Do want to say that I would rather lynch everyday if anything because this is already a game in which we have little control and information and every bit of agency helps. I'm trying to stop myself from scum-reading people who want to take that agency away.
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You essentially said the same thing but from the opposite side; hell, you even agree that you two were sort of on the same page. So if you're throwing Fire out as Scummy for this then the same can easily be said about you in that post.
I have to agree with this. I did that in LB2 and right now it's hard for me not to give people who are engaging much a pass (well, with the exception of nin). Long posts with much substance always register well with me, when it may be in scums best interests to have at least one high activity player appearing to lead town and scum hunt. Might be a bad habit to have.
It's a terrible habit to have, it's very easy to 'town clear' people who talk a lot and make big posts and give them a free ride to the end. That's why I make such big, 'helpful' posts as Scum - it's easy to take that and to look active and engaged by just saying a lot of words. Look at what people are saying regardless of how long/short their posts are.
I don't fully disagree here (sorry, I missed this post earlier while on mobile). BUT - I keep seeing games start with people roundly saying WE WILL LYNCH THE LOW ACTIVITY POSTERS! and then never doing it. And then, well. Shit gets real later.
But if this is a GAME fully populated by more low than high activity posters, we may have to recalibrate there, too.
<3 you loads, trust you none.
I didn't talk about CM but I think the weird "CornBurrito is currently leading" statement with all of two votes was TOTALLY out of left field. Such an odd thing to say, and I felt it was double odd that you said CM was hot out of the gate or whatever. 2+2=math, I hear.
Again, I don't disagree with lynching low activity posters at all. I just don't think we should cage ourselves into ONLY lynching from that pool today just because they have a potential to be mislynches later. You vote where you think Scum is, I think voting to get a mislynch out of the way ( on a day where we get info ) is a terrible reason to lynch somebody.
At least I'm not the only one who thought that was a weird statement to make. Also 'hot out of the gate' meant CM basically kicked the door in, guns blazing, and started throwing chairs at people. The post against Vere comes to mind ( 'Vere your post reads like a Try Hard' one ) and how he came in and threw down his thoughts. I didn't mean that as a positive thing, more as a note to how he came into this Day 1. I'm honestly not sure how I feel about CM, he's a strong presence in my mind but still a Null one.
hey_monkey
Banned
You essentially said the same thing but from the opposite side; hell, you even agree that you two were sort of on the same page. So if you're throwing Fire out as Scummy for this then the same can easily be said about you in that post.
Yes - but that's not the part that I'm scumreading at all. As you point out yourself, I'm trying to foster discussion, and that's what I said in my post - I'm trying to stop myself from scumreading anyone who's all no, no, business as usual guys, c'mon. But since that's ALL Fireblend did and added that he was in turn scumreading anyone for making the suggestion, it reads to me as a shutdown. But we'll see what develops from his activity. I didn't vote him. Just thinking aloud that the combination of things felt scummy to me. He responded, of course, but I don't see much to pursue until we get more developments.
hey_monkey
Banned
Okay, y'all, I'll be out a bit this evening - stuff to do before podcast recording, and then a bit of work (which I almost accurately typoed as a bitch of work) before a long day of meetings tomorrow. If you need me, leave questions or whatever.
I like this point - but would also counter with a question. And this may speak to the fact that I'm still newish so maybe I'm totally off base, so just asking: in a game where scum can't communicate, would they want higher activity posters gone, or lower? The people who move the game along, or the ones who don't do much? Or would that combine with what you're suggesting? Lower for lynches, higher for NKs?
Quiet town benefits scum regardless - do they make that happen here?
I'm having a hard time imagining town winning any other way in this game other than by lucking out with our special roles, TBH. Not that later in the game we won't need active participants who've kept up with what's happened to figure out what the information we have means and who it points to, but I feel like scum would rather go after safe people that they know have a low chance of being protected rather than someone who's driving the game forward.
Regardless, I also agree with the sentiment that this lynch is specially valuable due to being relatively free of role interference and other shenanigans, so I'd rather lynch for information rather than lynching to get dead weight off our shoulders.
I'll admit I have no idea what I'm looking for in a "valuable, informative" lynch atm though, this being day 1 at all. I feel like equating an informative lynch with lynching an active player isn't necessarily true.
I'm at a loss in this setup.
CornBurrito
Member
Doubling down on CornBurrito.
Best excuse for his anti-town bs is he doesn't know the rules, despite being a vet. And have since only seen one reasonable excuse for carrying in business as usual, from sawneeks, who also admitted that she miscounted.
Seriously, people not taking mechanics seriously. This game is stacked against town. On the contrary to fireblend and monkey, i am scumreading everyone not carefully considering town's best interests mechanics wise. Especially d1. We don't need these people. Kill them.
Vote me if you want, but this is garbage.
What mechanic did I not consider exactly? Or are you talking about me forgetting about No Lynch. I'm a vet, but I've basically never No Lynched, which is why I forgot about it.
I'd like to point out that I've done very well with mechanics in other games I have played.
kitsunelaine
Banned
Honestly Nin is acting strange and kind of erratic. I'm not town-reading them, in my eyes they could be either neutral or scum.
hey_monkey
Banned
Can anyone offer a reason why an aggressive Nin who is making a spectacle of himself would be scum? Because that seems like a poor play, a big neon say that screams LYNCH ME.
Because that's what he'd want us to think! And you're helping him. Hmmm.Can anyone offer a reason why an aggressive Nin who is making a spectacle of himself would be scum? Because that seems like a poor play, a big neon say that screams LYNCH ME.
Did I mention how I'm at a loss here today.
kitsunelaine
Banned
Can anyone offer a reason why an aggressive Nin who is making a spectacle of himself would be scum? Because that seems like a poor play, a big neon say that screams LYNCH ME.
Gambits, my friend.
hey_monkey
Banned
I'm guessing you're kidding, because that'd be awfully WIFOM-y. I said above he could be the neutral.
flatearthpandas
Member
Vote me if you want, but this is garbage.
What mechanic did I not consider exactly? Or are you talking about me forgetting about No Lynch. I'm a vet, but I've basically never No Lynched, which is why I forgot about it.
I'd like to point out that I've done very well with mechanics in other games I have played.
I'm sure you're great with mechanics in other games when you're town. Haven't seen it in this game. You almost tried in one post but then stopped halfway through saying "woopsy" and posted it anyway.
kitsunelaine
Banned
I'm guessing you're kidding, because that'd be awfully WIFOM-y. I said above he could be the neutral.
WIFOM? I don't understand what that means.
hey_monkey
Banned
WIFOM? I don't understand what that means.
Mafia lingo for circular reasoning and rabbit holes from trying to guess motives.
kitsunelaine
Banned
Okay, but isn't that everyone though? All our actions are up for scrutiny.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
im actually quite liking nin's play, it nails the right abrasive tone that can ge a rise out of players, the kind of rise that can be very telling when contrasted against their calmer and more guarded posts.
now this i cant agree with, lynching people over mechanic misunderstandings is excessive and has very little chance of actually leading to scum, not to mention making thier hiding way easier.
yes, welcome to mafia, aint it grand?
Doubling down on CornBurrito.
Best excuse for his anti-town bs is he doesn't know the rules, despite being a vet. And have since only seen one reasonable excuse for carrying in business as usual, from sawneeks, who also admitted that she miscounted.
Seriously, people not taking mechanics seriously. This game is stacked against town. On the contrary to fireblend and monkey, i am scumreading everyone not carefully considering town's best interests mechanics wise. Especially d1. We don't need these people. Kill them.
now this i cant agree with, lynching people over mechanic misunderstandings is excessive and has very little chance of actually leading to scum, not to mention making thier hiding way easier.
Okay, but isn't that everyone though? All our actions are up for scrutiny.
yes, welcome to mafia, aint it grand?