Dave2D on Legion Go S: Windows Was The Problem All Along.

Kacho said:
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We all knew this was gonna happen. What I don't understand is who bough this kind of handheld before it happened.
 
bitbydeath said:
Wait til people discover how shit gaming on Windows desktops are compared with Linux and OSX.
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Tell me about it.

Bazzite/SteamOS is sooooo close to being a perfect gaming experience for me except for two major issues.

1. nvidia drivers are pretty poor on Linux. At best you get about a tier below your current GPU and at worst not running.
2. AMD on the otherhand has excellent drivers thanks to Mesa opensource....however, it lacks HDMI 2.1 support, which doesn't hurt a desktop, but hurts those who want to make a home theater gaming PC.

So, I am stuck seeing which of those issues get sorted out first. Right now I have a Windows 11 IOT LTSC install as my gaming OS using a 7800X3D and a 5070 Ti, which replaced a 9070XT.

If the HDMI 2.1 issue can be solved, I will easily trade my 5070 Ti to a 9070 XT so I can go back to using Bazzite...

We are sooooo close to gaming perfection....so close.
 
I'm building in a week or two and I'll try it out. This pc is pretty much a console plus running chrome most of the day.

Having a linux desktop as a pc is really nice for a desktop browser alone. You can get an air mouse and a mini pc. It can open up to tabs logged into everyone's youtube accounts separately plus all of your streaming services.

And you can use your tv to"find my phone" which I lose all the time because I'm stoned.
 
JohnnyFootball said:
2. AMD on the otherhand has excellent drivers thanks to Mesa opensource....however, it lacks HDMI 2.1 support, which doesn't hurt a desktop, but hurts those who want to make a home theater gaming PC.
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What? I definitely run games above 60 fps and 4K with VRR and HDR, in fact, that's how I'm playing the Yuffi chapter of FF7R right now, on Windows I can't have HDR unless I disable Freesync because AMD has a weird issue with Samsung TVs that your can't encanta both at the same time but in Linux y can take full advantage of my TV, no issues there... Is there any way to install those drivers on Windows BTW? That would be really helpful for me
 
hinch7 said:
I do hope that these Xbox branded consoles have good OS on them. While I enjoy SteamOS I'd like there's still a steep learning curve for Linux and getting games and launchers outside Steam to run on my Steam Deck.

Windows right now on handhelds just looks like a horrible experience and performance pretty bad.
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XBOX has been running on Windows platforms since XBOX One..
 
lol and people expect these morons to deliver a competitive handheld os experience in 2 years.
their nextgen plans are screwed from start, will make series look like a runaway success in comparison.
 
Kataploom said:
What? I definitely run games above 60 fps and 4K with VRR and HDR, in fact, that's how I'm playing the Yuffi chapter of FF7R right now, on Windows I can't have HDR unless I disable Freesync because AMD has a weird issue with Samsung TVs that your can't encanta both at the same time but in Linux y can take full advantage of my TV, no issues there... Is there any way to install those drivers on Windows BTW? That would be really helpful for me
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Im talking about Linux bro. AMD has HDMI 2.1 support in Windows on my LG C1. I can't speak for other TVs.
 
I wasn't sold on Go S, but now when it has official Steam support I'm kinda interested as it performs better than its original Windows version and even Steam Deck OLED. Maybe Baldur's Gate 3 will be playable at acceptable framerates. Plus, I just like the fact that I can go into a shop and buy one of these. Yes, I know Ally X and original Go are more powerful, but I'm not planning to replace my PS5.
 
I don't believe those benches. I tried helldivers 2 on my rog ally. It didn't really come close to those numbers even with lowest details and resolution. It was more like 15-20 fps if there was some action on screen
 
Pretty much another video that's confirmed the same thing we've seen on other Linux distros for a while with handhelds.

Windows still has performance advantages in desktop due to drivers in DX12 games, especially on Nvidia's end...but it's clear that Windows as an OS has bloat in the background taking resources (scale this higher the more apps you have installed).

Aside from battery life, the fact that Windows sleep is still so shit with power draw on top of not working as a proper suspend state for games sucks.
 
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Unknown Soldier said:
Windows not being able to sleep has been a meme on computers and laptops since 1993. MS probably can never fix it because the Windows NT kernel is just so ancient and was never designed to do it

Meanwhile I close the lid of my MacBook, it sleeps. I open it, it wakes. Never any issues with it randomly turning on or draining the battery or getting hotter than the Sun while sleeping like every Windows laptop ever
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I find I have to enable the force S3 option in my BIOS to get sleep to work without randomly walking up.
bitbydeath said:
Wait til people discover how shit gaming on Windows desktops are compared with Linux and OSX.
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Windows desktop is generally the best place to play since it's the native platform for practically all PC games. MacOS barely gets any native titles and you have to resort to a Windows VM for games to run, and Proton/Wine can be hit or miss for the latest titles or any with anti-cheat.
 
JohnnyFootball said:
Yes, it's literally the easiest win Microsoft could ever give gamers. The easiest.
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Considering the fact that they could literally shove their own PC store down our throats if they did this, it's a huge surprise and missed opportunity (for them) that they haven't.
 
Drew1440 said:
Windows desktop is generally the best place to play since it's the native platform for practically all PC games. MacOS barely gets any native titles and you have to resort to a Windows VM for games to run, and Proton/Wine can be hit or miss for the latest titles or any with anti-cheat.
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SteamOS has a chance to make Linux the better place to play.
 
This was obvious the moment people started installing SteamOS via Bazzite. Windows doesn't have a dedicated handheld mode, it runs exactly the same processes as the desktop version. Steaming pile of shit.
 
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GHG said:
Considering the fact that they could literally shove their own PC store down our throats if they did this, it's a huge surprise and missed opportunity (for them) that they haven't.
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They were too busy spending Sony out of business.
 
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With steam OS being a potential threat to windows for gaming on PC, i have no idea why MS would put steam on their rumored hybrid console.

You are first of all gonna lose customers in your walled garden to steam as it is a much more popular storefront and if people start moving over to steam, the next easy move is to move over to steam os.

Steam os still has long way to go before people can dump windows, but considering the push by valve it's only going to get better.

RIP project kenan and kel.
 
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Drew1440 said:
Windows desktop is generally the best place to play since it's the native platform for practically all PC games. MacOS barely gets any native titles and you have to resort to a Windows VM for games to run, and Proton/Wine can be hit or miss for the latest titles or any with anti-cheat.
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For most desktop users, probably. For handheld PC gamers, it depends. If you want Game Pass then sure, but otherwise SteamOS is just a more streamlined experience for handhelds.
 
jm89 said:
With steam OS being a potential threat to windows for gaming on PC, i have no idea why MS would put steam on their rumored hybrid console.

You are first of all gonna lose customers in your walled garden to steam as it is a much more popular storefront and if people start moving over to steam, the next easy move is to move over to steam os.

Steam os still has long way to go before people can dump windows, but considering the push by valve it's only going to get better.

RIP project kenan and kel.
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The reason is containment. You can even see the hint in the code name (George Frost Kennan was a prominent US diplomat who advocated for a containment strategy vs the Soviets during the cold war).

Right now, Valve depends very heavily on Microsoft Windows (the UWP debacle was one of the few times I've ever seen Gabe go publicly ballistic), and thus Microsoft can leverage Steam's near-monopoly on PC Gaming into gamer interest and mass-adoption of their OS.

This adoption can then be parlayed into Xbox gamepass or OneDrive or Office 365 conversion etc. Not to mention the sheer amount of personal data they can use for marketing or to even sell.

In short, keeping gamers in the Windows OS is a very, VERY lucrative and strategically important objective to Microsoft, especially given the fierce OS competition out there (Chrome for cheap school laptops, Mac taking over the high-brow designer types and upscale consumers).

Valve pushing any % of their business to Linux compromises the marketshare of Windows, which means Microsoft has to do anything to keep SteamOS from becoming a viable alternative. They have the tools to do a lot here, so it will be an interesting cold war between the two companies.

Any gamer that goes to Linux is essentially a lost customer to Microsoft, and keeping that from happening is absolutely worth torching the Xbox brand (especially given how the platform side of MS Gaming is likely a loss-making business anyways).
 
Kataploom said:
This is the game running on Linux at 4K, above 60 fps, HDR and VRR at the same time over HDMI 2.1
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What GPU?
If it's AMD its likely not using full bandwidth., which is 10-bit 444 chroma or RGB OR you are using AMD's proprietory Linux drivers.

Most likely it using 8-bit 420 chroma subsampling. You can get 4K/120 at that bandwidth using HDMI 2.0, which admitedly looks better than you would think.

I was using that 8-bit 420 for a while without even noticing. Unfortunately once it was pointed out to me, I couldn't unnotice.
 
JohnnyFootball said:
What GPU?
If it's AMD its likely not using full bandwidth., which is 10-bit 444 chroma or RGB OR you are using AMD's proprietory Linux drivers.

Most likely it using 8-bit 420 chroma subsampling. You can get 4K/120 at that bandwidth using HDMI 2.0, which admitedly looks better than you would think.

I was using that 8-bit 420 for a while without even noticing. Unfortunately once it was pointed out to me, I couldn't unnotice.
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Yeah, it's not using full bandwidth but it's WAY better than on Windows for me because I can't use HDR there due to some conflict between AMD cards and Samsung TVs on Game Mode... Freesync Premium Pro gets enabled when using VRR thus not allowing normal HDR to get enabled, thus not letting me use HDR at all unless I disable VRR from the Radeon panel, I didn't even know HDR gaming was so amazing until I installed Linux last month, I wish there was a way to install same drivers on Windows tbh, even if it's not 444... This is a 6700 XT btw.
 
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damidu said:
not to mention by people who can't seem to develop a basic, functioning storefront to run on their own frickin os, for over a decade.
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The enterprise people are virulently against any changes that might compromise Windows's attractiveness (or something like that) to corporate customers. They have been the ones throwing sand in the gears for the past 8-9 years or so.
To them you add Nadella himself, a fanatical adherent to the "lean company" concept, which is antithetical to deep overhauls. You need a lot of money (and personnel) to revamp Windows (or even parts of it, like the store), but he doesn't want to open the wallet.
 
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