Feminists called bomb threats and tried to harm, or actually harmed males rights people.
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Feminists called bomb threats and tried to harm, or actually harmed males rights people.
we'll show all those journalists who gave bayonetta 2 a 10/10 what to do about their anti-sex biasB-B-BUT IT'S ALL ABOUT TRANSPARENCY IN JOURNALISM GUYS COME ON
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It's still pretty dumb considering the reality is the game got an excellent reception from the press despite the industry seemingly being controlled by SJW overlords.That's certainly better than death threats.
What does the gamergate conversation have to do with objectification and sexism in videogames anymore? Why does gamergate even have to be part of the conversation when the majority of gamers don't even know it exists even if it made the front page of the New York times? At this point, what people are upset about is a small subset of people in a movement that are actively misogynist which is as relevant to the conversation of equality in gaming as the neonazis are relevant to civil rights.
Your attempts to downplay this are comical
Going for the "appeal to tradition" fallacy?That's a mainstream problem too. The whole movie industry have parties where they give away gifts, alchool and fun time before or after the reviewers see the movie. A lot of more serious reviewers condemn the whole idea of getting goodies at PAX when you are supposed to be there for work.
"The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
It's on top of threads. All of those messages could be of a single person. It's all anonymous.
"The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
It's on top of threads. All of those messages could be of a single person. It's all anonymous.
Feminists called bomb threats and tried to harm, or actually harmed males rights people. Should we judge the feminist movement on the action of those extremists? I do not think so. Same here. People will try to make everything something else to either attack or defend it. The thief was a black person, so that mean that all black people are like this. Or that mean that black people have problems and we need to help them. People will try to make everything into a bigger thing.
If we call a women out for something, that does not mean we hate women. It mean we dont like this thing that this person did. Same for everything. Just because I dont like that one specific black person, do not mean I dont like black peoples. And yet people will say "You dont like that guy because he's of color" and it change the whole debate.
"The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
It's on top of threads. All of those messages could be of a single person. It's all anonymous.
Love how Rubius still hasn't made any attempt to give specific examples of ongoing bad stuff that needs to change.
*Sigh* What, praytell, do you think my agenda is?
He linked it earlier:What
Dont every celebrity or personality out there get death threats on a quasi daily level? Extremists will try to threaten people who they dont like. Every group do it, and it's not game related at all in my opinion.
Hell, feminists extremists called a bomb threat on a Male rights event. Everybody is against threats like that, but they are just that. Threats. Every celebrity out there get them and every personality out there get them. Female or not. Just because the victim is a women, it does not mean that this case is more important or mean more than any others. Threats are bad. Threats against womens are not any worst and they dont not relate to video game publisher.
It's like saying that if a rocker extremist make a threat against a hip hop singer, that every rock record label out there should say "sorry".
This really makes me mad. Trivializing the plight of minorities so you can compare them a stupid movement that started because some idiots were mad because people would not talk about who was fucking who? That shit is beyond insulting.....I got to stop typing.Feminists called bomb threats and tried to harm, or actually harmed males rights people. Should we judge the feminist movement on the action of those extremists? I do not think so. Same here. People will try to make everything something else to either attack or defend it. The thief was a black person, so that mean that all black people are like this. Or that mean that black people have problems and we need to help them. People will try to make everything into a bigger thing.
If we call a women out for something, that does not mean we hate women. It mean we dont like this thing that this person did. Same for everything. Just because I dont like that one specific black person, do not mean I dont like black peoples. And yet people will say "You dont like that guy because he's of color" and it change the whole debate.
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It was long time when I first came up with the idea so some of it is forgotten. But I imagine it would have dealt with having very important public speakers from each company come out and denounce things like sexism or harassment. There could be bigger moves like establishing new departments specifically targeting gender relations and having them relay that information to other publishers saying "this is what MS/Nintendo/Sony etc have agreed up and wish for all Publishers to start following". The last part may be too ambitious.
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Well, they make the games like GTA which pretty much fuels all the controversy in the first place.
Of course they are apart of it!
I think its ridiculous to demand companies enter into an argument because of some tangential relation between insane people and the products they may or may not consume.
The involvement of game companies into the controversy would only muddle the distinction of people who play games and internet thugs. There's literally nothing linking the two and this whole gamergate thing has been a tumultuous experiment in attempting to establish a link between the two. Whether its borne of people who want to use gross generalizations to usurp a group they feel disenfranchised from or people who wish to usurp a group to wage war on a disenfranchised group, nothing can be gained from it.
Frankly, the media attempting to pull in game companies is no different than they do when a young male goes on a murder spree with a gun and a gaming console is found in his home. We cannot respect the rights of the medium to be evaluated apart from the actions of an individual in some cases and then randomly hold their feet to the fire when we feel it will advance something we think deserves attention.
I don't understand what you are trying to say. Anita's work is about representation in games. In reaction to her work some people have threatened her life and the lives of others. My argument is, in part, that if more outlets and publishers condemned these threats and engaged in a real conversation about the issues Anita tries to address, video game culture as a whole would benefit.What does the gamergate conversation have to do with objectification and sexism in videogames anymore? Why does gamergate even have to be part of the conversation when the majority of gamers don't even know it exists even if it made the front page of the New York times? At this point, what people are upset about is a small subset of people in a movement that are actively misogynist which is as relevant to the conversation of equality in gaming as the neonazis are relevant to civil rights.
This is my stance as well. What do they have to do with some assholes making threats, they can't control it.Why would game companies say something? They're not really a part of the whole gamer gate thing.
Well there's the medias seemingly lack of any kind of "editorial barrage" on the complete absence of minorities in gaming main roles and has been no real talk on it for years. That seems like a pretty big one to me. Or are they just waiting for #minoritygate?
Feminists called bomb threats and tried to harm, or actually harmed males rights people. Should we judge the feminist movement on the action of those extremists? I do not think so. Same here. People will try to make everything something else to either attack or defend it. The thief was a black person, so that mean that all black people are like this. Or that mean that black people have problems and we need to help them. People will try to make everything into a bigger thing.
While they didn't comment here, EA has been pretty clear they support Anita: https://twitter.com/Battlefield/status/251735220292820993
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Commendable and thanks for bringing it up, but that's [I]two years ago[/I] and it isn't associated with the hate campaign operating under a smoke screen of ethics and hurt gamer feelings.
You know how afraid I am off telling the girls I teach that they should get into video game development and culture? Or imagine being a parent and your daughter comes over and tells you that her ambition is to create her own video games and you recall reading that NYT headline about women in video games receiving rape threats for Youtube videos. This has an effect. And that's not even talking about the chilling effect *within* the video games industry.
The screenshot's from 8chan (look at the post ID's), but at least there'll eventually be actual generals on /v/ and /vg/ with less idiotic shit going on. 8chan from what I've seen so far ranges from being a ghost town to the screencaps we've had posted in this thread.You are straining credibility so fucking hard right now. It takes about five minutes on /v/ to figure out that those are pretty common sentiments for people who post there.
You are straining credibility so fucking hard right now. It takes about five minutes on /v/ to figure out that those are pretty common sentiments for people who post there.
Let me guess, anything that makes GamerGate must be a false flag, right? But they still get to take credit for all of the "good" things they've done, obviously.
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Love how Rubius still hasn't made any attempt to give specific examples of ongoing bad stuff that needs to change.
/v/ hate everything and love everything. /v/ is not an entity. You can have threads about how great a game is and the next will be about how shitty this game is and it will have as many posts.
You don't think that there are still people unaware and/or in denial about the hate movement they are associating themselves with? And you really think that the neutral/moderates are completely aware of what this movement is causing? It sends a strong signal if companies, personalities, and media denounce this hate campaign.
What about objectification and sexism in videogames is in some ways a reflection of the attitudes of people who make such games and people who buy such games? Do you not think that media representation plays a role in how people see themselves or others?
This point is either rare from her or has been brought up far less often than Thompson's about violence, where the whole 'violence in games = violence in real life' aspect was the entire foundation of his crusade.
Not that if you oppose Anita's views on gaming you shouldn't oppose her arguments, but the two people aren't really all that comparable on how they were critiquing gaming.
If they want bayonetta to sell, more power to them
This really makes me mad. Trivializing the plight of minorities so you can compare them a stupid movement that started because some idiots were mad because people would not talk about who was fucking who? That shit is beyond insulting.....I got to stop typing.
Plenty of non-GG people also want Bayonetta 2 to sell. Some of them are even feminists!
How do we determine who's right now?
Oh, there's certainly people that aren't aware. Most people playing games are likely completely oblivious to this happening. But informing those people won't necessarily mean that they'll settle on the outcome that you want. Which could be a major negative in it getting even more attention. Which I guess brings up how people think this will all go away. Will more attention do it due to it potentially driving them out, or will ignoring do it because they'll no longer have anyone giving them attention? I guess it's a question that no one can really answer right now.
those who own a copy of bayonetta 2 are right of course, the rest of the world can burn!
While they didn't comment here, EA has been pretty clear they support Anita: https://twitter.com/Battlefield/status/251735220292820993
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Gamergate is not the KKK. Same way Muslims and Christians are not terrorists who want to kill everybody.
Some of this is due to local legislation, of course. Does the US have something similar?
Oh, there's certainly people that aren't aware. Most people playing games are likely completely oblivious to this happening. But informing those people won't necessarily mean that they'll settle on the outcome that you want. Which could be a major negative in it getting even more attention. Which I guess brings up how people think this will all go away. Will more attention do it due to it potentially driving them out, or will ignoring do it because they'll no longer have anyone giving them attention? I guess it's a question that no one can really answer right now.
I'm comparing severities of response.Comparing a barista messing up orders to journalists being paid and bought, good game.
All I am saying is that: there has been no correlation or causation evidence with sexism in games creating sexism in real life.
I did not and did not intend to make a statement on societal representation of games, or if they perpetuate certain attitudes (which is probably true) but that does not mean it causes it.
The reason I brought it up is it seems Anita's videos have arguments that try to the lead to the conclusion that 'sexism in games can cause sexism in real life' which is the big thing I disagree with.
Yes. /v/ has some diversity of opinion. That doesn't mean that nobody ever uses it to express their actual views. Based on the frequency with which certain topics come up, it's pretty likely that a good number of people who post on /v/ are sincere about those things.
This is the simple sort of action that I think would go a long way. More dev teams and publishers should be doing this.
Individual companies shouldn't make individual comments: that's exactly the work of industry organizations. And the Entertainment Software Association did exactly that as quoted in the article.
I don't understand what you are trying to say. Anita's work is about representation in games. In reaction to her work some people have threatened her life and the lives of others. My argument is, in part, that if more outlets and publishers condemned these threats and engaged in a real conversation about the issues Anita tries to address, video game culture as a whole would benefit.
Not really. Right now it's pretty common to see baits who are anti gamer gate since that's what people react to. You have as many pro gamer gate threads that you have anti gamer gates threads. 4chan do not have a Up and down system, but they still get a kick when the threads is full of answers. So they do click bait stuff and try to get people into a fight.
Anita is a simple way to get a lot of posts in a thread. Just like posting 4*5-7(4/2+3*2)+4, you get full threads from that too because people like messing with people by getting the wrong answer and arguing against PEMDAS and BEDMAS.