Barrage
Member
That concept couldn't be more wrong.
When everyone was complaining about Cena's "Same Old Shit", but the ratings were high, I don't remember anyone saying that meant the show was good.
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That concept couldn't be more wrong.
When everyone was complaining about Cena's "Same Old Shit", but the ratings were high, I don't remember anyone saying that meant the show was good.
But the memories remain.I don't want this thread to fade away
blackaroni
Member
Primetime CBS shows also get high ratings and they're normally terrible.
With the advent of social media people can consume shows in numerous different ways, whether it's with a streaming service or digested through a writeup, tweet of a gif or a podcast. Just because more people are choosing not to sit down and watch a 3 hour Raw the MOMENT it airs does not mean they aren't checking out the cut down version on hulu for example. WWE is less concerned with ratings as they are with mind share. A John Cena or RKO meme is just as good for them as a ratings bump, because it keeps them in peoples minds.
Is there a decent way for me to watch season 1 of Lucha Underground yet? I just wasn't feeling trying to keep up through finding Youtube links that were not going to stick around.
Supergirl has been a hell of a lot more fun to watch than Raw, and has a much better top face.
Supergirl has been a hell of a lot more fun to watch than Raw, and has a much better top face.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
But that's just it. Even if they pull a 2.0 every week, if someone says "what happened on Raw" to me, the answer is nothing because they never take any risks or make it feel like something could happen from week to week.
Let's look at your social media impact, shall we? We'll even use Twitter, the WWE preferred Network.
http://www.pwtorch.com/site/2015/12/08/5103/
Wow....they're even scraping the bottom in the Twitter ratings. And last week was an all time low for them in that category as well.
I am pretty sure that I had the ratings repeatedly shoved in my face to justify burying Daniel Bryan just earlier this year on this board and they weren't half as bad then as they are now. I can't (or am just too lazy to) prove it was the same people here saying they don't matter NOW, but it's funny how flexible the prevailing wisdom can be.
I remember those times while lurking around. Excuses were made in abundance.
UberTag
Member
It was the same people. Don't fret, though... the same tailoring the results to suit your agenda happens inside WWE Headquarters in Stamford all the time.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
I'm man enough to say I pointed out ratings were shit under Bryan (fuck Bryan) and they're shit under Sheamus (fuck current Sheamus. I love him, but his chance at being a big shot passed because of their fuckups long ago) and Reigns (I love him, but fuck his scripting and his current character. His chance at being a big shot while ultimately will be pushed is never going to be as impactful or important as it could have been because of their fuckups throughout the last calendar year)
TLDR Fuck Bryan, fuck current Sheamus, fuck current Reigns, and double fuck Bryan
TLDR Fuck Bryan, fuck current Sheamus, fuck current Reigns, and double fuck Bryan
Snowman Prophet of Doom
Member
I specifically remember that after Wrestlemania XXX, a.ka. after he actually got a concerted and tangible push and came out on top, Daniel Bryan's segments, horrible as they were (thanks, Kane!), were the highest-rated parts of the show. Where he faltered was as a draw for house shows, because house shows are attended mainly by kids (who were so-so on Bryan) and their families, and his merch was only a solid seller (a.k.a. nowhere near Cena). Reigns, on the other hand, does well in terms of drawing for house shows, and is the #2 merch seller behind Cena, even as ratings have done poorly during his tenure on top - again, because he appeals to kids and to women, who are the smallest but most profitable demographic for WWE to market to. WWE probably assumes that they'll get viewers back during Mania season, regardless, and that their TV contract is guaranteed to generate more and more revenue for the next few years, even if the ratings are less than what they were.
Edit: Current Sheamus is the best he's been. Irish Viking is a great look, and he remains a great wrestler (most recent Elimination Chamber aside), whatever his flaws in character.
Edit: Current Sheamus is the best he's been. Irish Viking is a great look, and he remains a great wrestler (most recent Elimination Chamber aside), whatever his flaws in character.
Meltzerz whose 'irrefutable' source is 'umm i know a guy'
Sweeney Tom
Banned
I like him as a person. I liked him killing Noble. I liked 18 seconds because lol. I loved lobster head. I like his replacement theme and entrance. I even love FELLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I hate ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED. I hate I DON'T LOOK STUPID. I hate his first WWE title win. I hate his second WWE title win. I hate his most recent WWE title win.
Basically anytime they try to actually do something with him, they fuck it up and I hate it. This current run? The worst. Even moreso than when he won a belt and immediately got chased out of the building by Nexus like a scrub.
This is basically true for most guys. Maybe Cesaro is lucky.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
I liked Bryan the best when he was the anti-underdog heel with a chip on his shoulder. I think sheamus shouldn't smile so fucking much, but there are matches of his I enjoy. I never really liked Reigns, even in the Shield.
So of those three, Bryan is the only guy I liked from a character and in ring guy at one time.
So of those three, Bryan is the only guy I liked from a character and in ring guy at one time.
The Biggest Event in the History of Our Sport. I've refrained from branding Starrcade '97 with a big, fat, furious F due to my issues with the main event. And actually, I've come away with a better impression of the main event having watched it again in context.
Sure, the fast-count-that-wasn't-really-a-fast-count and the general wankery thereafter still sucked, but up to that moment, everything was fine. I think I've changed my mind that Sting should've just squashed Hogan and eliminated the nWo. In context, it's clear that the nWo, while growing stale, should not have ended just yet. I now think that instead of the "fast count" shenanigans, Sting should've kicked out of the leg drop, come back with some white-hot fire, the nWo cronies should've ran out only to be met by the WCW wrasslers that they showed many times in the crowd, and then Sting goes over clean as a whistle with the Scorpion Deathlock.
From here, the cracks could've started to show more and more in the nWo, ultimately leading to its demise in 1998, whether it be in a WarGames match or on its two-year anniversary at Bash at the Beach '98 or heck, even milk it until a winner-take-all match of some kind at Starrcade '98. And after its dissolution, they could hint at it and refer to the specter of the nWo, etc. etc. causing conspiracy and intrigue! :O And then, depending on fan reaction, be willing to either let it stay dead or bring it back later if it made sense.
Anyway, I apologize for the write-up. I know MC Safety prefers that I keep these things brief, but this may be the last one for a long while.
For Data "The Brain" West, for Br- Bronx-Man, im- imbask -- I dunno -- I'm Zach... NeoGAF Vince McMahon, you can go to hell! Straight to hell!
Sweeney Tom
Banned
*All guys, and I'll be the last to disagree. Wouldn't be shocked if that's a major reason there's so much widespread negativity toward the company's product
Barrage
Member
I was definently one who brought up that Bryan wasnt a PPV draw, which was 100 percent true. I never said that ratings had anything to with quality, and i stick to that. Raw is bad, ratings are bad. But Raws quality is subjective, and using the ratings as some sort of proof- when wrestling ratings have been great when the show was terrible, and terrible when the show was great- i'll never agree with.
These are good. I'm not as far as you are, but it's good to see the ebbs and flows of what I have to look forward to. Old school wrestling is such good mindless background TV.
sf2fanatic
Member
I want to know if who was more dominate?
Nash's WW3 elimination run
vs
Kane's Rumble
Nash's WW3 elimination run
vs
Kane's Rumble
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Tribute to the Troops and SD both being taped tonight. Tater tots being chanted and
Long night incoming
TTTT opens with Rusev submitting Swagger
Long night incoming
blackaroni
Member
That poor audience. They don't film on bases anymore?
Sheamus is the archetype for the future of wrestlers in the WWE and probably wrestling in general if it stays this way.
Well conditioned, can have great matches, performs a variety of moves and can perform them well but has zero character, can't think on his feet, and always just feels like an actor playing a character in the most phony way possible. Everything and everyone feels same-y. Everyone can wrestle but don't have much beyond that.
In my ongoing Rude vs Perfect/Orndorff is better than Perfect fight, WWE right now is like if everyone was Mr. Perfect and don't have a Heenan or a Genius to go with it. It's good to have a couple of guys like that, but EVERYONE is like that.
Nash cleared the whole ring and had to wait for everyone else to finish up. Kane's a big doofus.
Well conditioned, can have great matches, performs a variety of moves and can perform them well but has zero character, can't think on his feet, and always just feels like an actor playing a character in the most phony way possible. Everything and everyone feels same-y. Everyone can wrestle but don't have much beyond that.
In my ongoing Rude vs Perfect/Orndorff is better than Perfect fight, WWE right now is like if everyone was Mr. Perfect and don't have a Heenan or a Genius to go with it. It's good to have a couple of guys like that, but EVERYONE is like that.
Nash cleared the whole ring and had to wait for everyone else to finish up. Kane's a big doofus.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
March 22 is the start of Snuka's murder trial
The Roman Reigns era is off to a great start.
slightconfuse
Banned
Remember when Sheamus took a dump in Del Rio car
Sweeney Tom
Banned
TTTT
* There will be a 16-man main event tonight
* Jack Swagger vs. Rusev with Lana is up. Rusev won with The Accolade
* Mark Henry squashed Bo Dallas, who was dressed as Uncle Sam
* Kevin Owens comes out talking about how Canada is better than the United States. Ryback interrupts and we get a match. The match ends when Owens leaves and gets counted out.
* Paige, Sasha Banks, Naomi and Tamina Snuka defeated Charlotte, Becky Lynch, Brie Bella and Alicia Fox
* Roman Reigns, Dean Ambrose, The Usos, The Dudley Boyz, Kane and Ryback defeated Sheamus, Rusev, King Barrett, Alberto Del Rio, Bray Wyatt, Luke Harper, Erick Rowan and Braun Strowman
* The band Train performed. They aired various celebrity tributes throughout the show
* Jack Swagger vs. Rusev with Lana is up. Rusev won with The Accolade
* Mark Henry squashed Bo Dallas, who was dressed as Uncle Sam
* Kevin Owens comes out talking about how Canada is better than the United States. Ryback interrupts and we get a match. The match ends when Owens leaves and gets counted out.
* Paige, Sasha Banks, Naomi and Tamina Snuka defeated Charlotte, Becky Lynch, Brie Bella and Alicia Fox
* Roman Reigns, Dean Ambrose, The Usos, The Dudley Boyz, Kane and Ryback defeated Sheamus, Rusev, King Barrett, Alberto Del Rio, Bray Wyatt, Luke Harper, Erick Rowan and Braun Strowman
* The band Train performed. They aired various celebrity tributes throughout the show
New Day are probably huge with the younger crowd.
The Cat? Karate champion?
sf2fanatic
Member
Kinda figured Nash would get a nod. Was kinda shocked at the end of WW3 rumble
Angelo Dawkins?
Just when you think you're in, they yank you right back out.
Carnby
Member
Citation needed.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
goddammit bootaay you just had to link the voices of wrestling forum the other day.
Now I have too much fucking wrestling to watch.
Now I have too much fucking wrestling to watch.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Yes. Would have been 58. Top 5 dead or alive.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Their first mistake was to expect something out of the Wyatts being on TV
Remember when Bray called out Taker for a Mania match
Remember when he abducted Taker and Kane 8 months later
I'd say "somehow neither of those actually wound up meaning anything" but that stands for most Wyatt angles
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