FallingEdge
Member
Is this up for the professor beef interaction award
meh I don't care. They are performing on a stage, it is all an act.
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meh I don't care. They are performing on a stage, it is all an act.
Dark Ninja
Member
I also don't like the fat jokes just because they are bad, they aren't funny. Same with the Cena's gay jokes they are embarrassing. At least the gay organization complained and got them to stop. Took 80% of Cena's promo material away
Captain Charisma Vacuum.
Which means it's a concious choice too.
This is not acceptable, unless your character is to be a sexist, racist heel. But that's not the case, generally it's faces talking to heels. That's why it's bad, they're basically saying, "yeah, it's fine to call women bitches, because you don't like them."
And Vickie didn't even do anything to Rock, other than be the heel authority figure at the time (I think).
Only person who did it recently was Edge who isn't employed by them. But yeah, you can make fun of Vickie and JR all you want, but not the King of Kings. Can't let him look weak for a second.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U3dBzdq6Lk
slightconfuse
Banned
Fat and photoshop jokes need to leave pro wrestling
That was so weird, but you know Vince had been DYING to say that on TV for years.
FallingEdge
Member
So if that was Rock's character, it is okay but because it isn't, he shouldn't be allowed to say it? I can understand that if you think that type of stuff shouldn't be tolerated regardless of the gimmick but to throw an exception makes no sense to me.
Looking at this strictly as something that the character The Rock would do makes total sense. He's always done this. This isn't anything new.
Yep, all that stuff is way worse than the swearing and being a little more brutal.
Is this up for the professor beef interaction award
What about this is "Wrestling Smart?" You shouldn't shame a women for being a women, especially a fucking WIDOW, on a global stage where children and other people will hear and see it, thinking it's okay because GOOD GUY ROCKY said it.
And The Rock doesn't even run his Twitter. His agency does that for him.
Dark Ninja
Member
Im glad Paul Heyman is off TV just so we don't have to hear them say Walrus all the time. Oh and stop saying Twerking STOP
Professor Beef
Banned
I wonder how many people here would change their tune if they found out Vickie was ok with those segments.
In the future no one will even need to wrestle. All problems will be solved outside the ring with proper discourse.
FallingEdge
Member
It won't matter. I don't recall the reaction here but I remember the negative reaction in other threads/forums to Cole when made the comment about Lawler's mom having the best seat in the house during that promo for their WM match.
Professor Beef
Banned
Will that be best for business?
QueenOfThorns
Member
My memory is really horrible in this period, but wasn't there this feud with HHH and Booker T where HHH was a huge racist who said that "your people" can't become champion...and won the match?
Then
Now
Forever (racist)
Perspicacity
Banned
I've seen multiple Young Bucks matches in person. I've also seen a couple of Davey Richards match on him and gone to a show that he's bailed on. They are all phenomenal and they deserve the criticism they get, especially the Young Bucks who have turned being indy shitheads into an amazing gimmick.
The issue is that they are performing on a stage in front of a bunch of impressionable children, treating the asshole misogynist like a hero, then touting themselves as anti-bullying. It's easy to say it's an act and that kids are smart enough to know it isn't real, but they don't discern the fact that acting like the Rock and treating people awfully is a shitty way to be.
Not really that many kids watching the attitude era thought it was cool to hit each other with steel chairs to solve problems but tons of them thought "Suck It" was fucking hilarious to use in real life situations.
The reason I feel a heel can say it, is because heel's are supposed to be despicable. You're supposed to be against them. Someone being a sexist or racist dick to someone else and then getting his just due because of that is fine with me, because it's a storyline.
But a face doing it and winning in the end teaches me that it's okay to be a sexist bastard, because it's what winners and good guys do.
And I say that as an exception, I'm not saying any heel should be that character, but if there is such a character then sure. As long as they're loathed and get their due, that's sending the right message.
Some News about SummerSlam in 2014:
Someone is now leaking scripts from the WWE. The new one is from the Royal Rumble in 2013:
http://imgur.com/a/4Dr3E#0
Also, for the Kaitlyn fans to give them some hope:
Someone is now leaking scripts from the WWE. The new one is from the Royal Rumble in 2013:
http://imgur.com/a/4Dr3E#0
Also, for the Kaitlyn fans to give them some hope:
Its stupid. Part of the appeal is the outrageous behavior people wouldn't do in real life.
We have gone soft.
Is she okay with it because her job depends on it, or is it because she, on a personal level, doesn't mind being called a whore and fat and how her vagina smells like fish and leaks all the time?
People believe those things. Yeah, wrestling is worked and fake. Still doesn't change the perception people have on the people. Especially when real names are being used, because that's ALWAYS attached to your name. Even when the cameras are off. Not to mention, The Rock is supposed to be a face, right? He shouldn't stoop down to middle school-level jokes just because they're heels. He, as the most facey face of facetown that everyone should love because he isn't John Cena, should be setting examples about respect and actually being a star; even when his adversaries don't do the same.
And why was Vickie even involved? He was feuding with Punk and then Cena. All his insults should've been directed at those two.
Professor Beef
Banned
...have you never seen The Rock's promos before?
Dark Ninja
Member
I wouldn't mind if the jokes were funny, write some better fat jokes
What if the next Rock Concert features lines about Kane's gut, weird belly button, and strange hair line?
Professor Beef
Banned
Next is height, then facial hair. Now nobody can make fun of Daniel Bryan!
Dark Ninja
Member
Will this stop all the Goat references and make JBL come up with new material. I CAN'T WAIT!
He called Booker T a thug because he had a previous jail sentence.
I want to say they did something similar with Shelton as well. Shelton Benjamin.
Perspicacity
Banned
Hitting people with chairs and beating people up is contextually justifiable in their storyline. So is acting like a complete and total asshole, but not if you are supposed to be the hero. It'd be like if Batman told Bane that his throat must have gotten fucked up from sucking too many dicks and that he should have been the one called Catwoman because he's such a pussy bitch.
Yeah, kids never bully each other like that in real life.
The following contest is scheduled for 1 safe fall. In the left corner standing....person a. In the right corner...person b.
bean breath
Member
Listen jack, you don't like what you see on the screen? Change the channel.
The Rock has always been an asshole whether he was heel or villain. That's The Rock. I don't see how people can act brand new about it when that's how it's always been.
Ban movies , videogames, and music next. Heck how is power rangers still on?
I think his problem is that the Good Guy Who Is Bigger Than Cena was calling a woman a fat ugly whore for no reason, and that this is geared towards a PG crowd. "Lol wrestling" stopped being a good defense for this when marketing shifted from people who could legally drink to children.
slightconfuse
Banned
I just don't find the rock funny anymore. His jokes are the lowest denominator
Also so judging by the response on twitter story is getting people can't tell the difference
Also so judging by the response on twitter story is getting people can't tell the difference
HeisenbergLannister
Member
That script just screams fake for the fact I don't think they would put "Bret Hart (in a ponytail)" in it.
British Monsoon
Member
Personally, unless the character is an outspoken, uncontrollable, Austin-type anti-hero, I think the goody goody, make a wish faces should be above cheap name calling. Same goes for the face announcers - Cole & Lawler should ask themselves "would Gorilla say that?" every time they're about to call Vicky fat.
I'm all for heels getting their comeuppance, but too often some of this stuff just comes across as mean. *edit, which is fine for The Rock, honestly. Hasn't he always sort of been a bit of a mean asshole, anyways?
I'm not saying the criticism they receive isn't valid, because it is - it just isn't the be all and end all of their in-ring work. The Bucks can go to Japan and wrestle a tight, compact, well paced jr. heavyweight tag match, take the time to do some limb work and sell a bodypart, but that's not what you'd see them do in a 3-way ladder match at a PWG show or wrestling the Machineguns in TNA. They're more versatile than people give them credit for and the same goes for Davey Richards.
I'm all for heels getting their comeuppance, but too often some of this stuff just comes across as mean. *edit, which is fine for The Rock, honestly. Hasn't he always sort of been a bit of a mean asshole, anyways?
I'm not saying the criticism they receive isn't valid, because it is - it just isn't the be all and end all of their in-ring work. The Bucks can go to Japan and wrestle a tight, compact, well paced jr. heavyweight tag match, take the time to do some limb work and sell a bodypart, but that's not what you'd see them do in a 3-way ladder match at a PWG show or wrestling the Machineguns in TNA. They're more versatile than people give them credit for and the same goes for Davey Richards.
slightconfuse
Banned
WWEs sense of humor in general is terrible. Does anyone find palrus funny.
Or AJ broken called a white funny ?
Or AJ broken called a white funny ?