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[Arkeband]

I think you mean that atheism is not a belief in nothing, but rather a lack of belief. People argue that one, not whether or not it's a position taken.

The problem is you're conflating gnostic atheism and agnostic atheism.

Gnostic claims that they know 100% for certain no gods exist - while probably true, this is something we'll never know for certain, much like we don't know 100% for certain that Pokemon don't exist IRL... but we're pretty fucking sure.

Agnostic claims that you simply can't know, and that's the most logically sound position to take, although you can still put forth that it's probably, with overwhelming odds, nonsense.

A person choosing to take no position is functionally the same as someone who will never in their life be introduced to the concept.

 

[stanis]

BERNIE GAFFES

 

[davepoobond]

BERNIE GAFFES

Only 18 states have voted! Hold out for more white states Bernie will surely win

 

[CharminUltra]

lol That comment on ghettos from Bernie, just...

Nope.

Mi abuela.

 

[lastflowers]

This post just shows your ignorance on his beliefs. You can argue that his messaging isn't clear on the issue of racism, but his platform is clear that there are various factors to consider when talking about racism, outside of economics. If you would have taken even a cursory glance at his website you would have proven yourself wrong.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/


You can conjure up this false narrative as much as you want, but it doesn't stop being bullshit just because you keep repeating it.

no no, you are the low-information voter.

 

[Makai]

A low-information voter is someone who can't identify which party is liberal or conservative. We all pass!

 

[Cerium]

Hey guys remember when Bernie and all his stans wanted more debates so that he could show the world how much better he is at this than Hillary? Boy that really did the trick!

 

[Arkeband]

Hey guys remember when Bernie and all his stans wanted more debates so that he could show the world how much better he is at this than Hillary? Boy that really did the trick!

I see you're terribly desperate for conflict in these threads again. Welcome back?

 

[Cerium]

I see you're terribly desperate for conflict in these threads again. Welcome back?

 

[brainchild]

Hey guys remember when Bernie and all his stans wanted more debates so that he could show the world how much better he is at this than Hillary? Boy that really did the trick!

Debating skills are as much about persuasion as it is about substance, and I think when you factor in both, Bernie has won most of the debates.

Of course, perception is subjective and informed by bias, so you'll see most Hillary supporters say Hillary's been winning most of the debates, and Bernie supporters saying Bernie's been winning most of the debates, as most people aren't going to parse through their objective and subjective merits.

 

[GYODX]

Shocker of the day: 74 year old's political correctness not up to snuff.

 

[Kite]

I'm puzzled why people are so surprised that some Bernie supporters would rather vote for Trump than Hillary, some of them are definitely not traditional Democrats. There are plenty of libertarian/ron paul types and so-called independents who are really unhappy former Republicans who have been hit hard by the economic downturn. They're not fans of Obama or the Clintons, and are feeling The Bern.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

The problem is you're conflating gnostic atheism and agnostic atheism.

Gnostic claims that they know 100% for certain no gods exist - while probably true, this is something we'll never know for certain, much like we don't know 100% for certain that Pokemon don't exist IRL... but we're pretty fucking sure.

Agnostic claims that you simply can't know, and that's the most logically sound position to take, although you can still put forth that it's probably, with overwhelming odds, nonsense.

A person choosing to take no position is functionally the same as someone who will never in their life be introduced to the concept.

There's no relevant context for 'functionally', and those fence sitting positions don't help anyone understand anything as those positions do not take into account the evidence we have now (as we do for every intelligent decision we make). Either you believe that there is a god or you don't, given the evidence available.

 

[Lenardo]

i'm fairly well informed but dislike internet debates due to the lack of finality.

that said there is a small chance that hillary will not be the nominee.

the guy that set up her email server got immunity from procecution.

that is not something that would come up for a "review"

pretty much the only thing -for this particular case I can think of is...Grand Jury testimony or potentially senate testimony. answering questions with the FBI -Maybe but doubtful, they'd only give the immunity of they are heading towards a grand jury.

 

[pigeon]

Shocker of the day: 74 year old's political correctness not up to snuff.

Keep defining being an effective and supportive ally as "political correctness" when your goal is to win the Democratic presidential nomination, why don't you.

 

[davepoobond]

Shocker of the day: 74 year old's political correctness not up to snuff.

we'll make sure to give hillary a pass next time since she is only 6 years younger

 

[ZealousD]

I think you mean that atheism is not a belief in nothing, but rather a lack of belief. People argue that one, not whether or not it's a position taken.

Saying one lacks belief in something is not a position. It is a lack of a position. A newborn baby lacks belief in a god but that does not mean the newborn is taking a position on whether or not a god or gods exists. So if the definition of atheist is that an atheist "lacks belief in a god or gods" then a newborn would be an atheist.

If you believe that atheism is a position than the newborn is neither an atheist nor a theist and thus a person must specifically reject any belief in a god or gods to be considered an atheist. That would seem to be your position, especially if as you said, rejection is inherent.

This is essentially the "is an agnostic also an atheist" question.

 

[royalan]

Why is the left so adamant in trying to portray Bernie Sanders as the potential racist?

Edit: Apparently sexist too because he shut down Hillary when she tried to cut in?

Nobody is portraying Bernie Sanders as racist and sexist. People are portraying him as inept and rude.

And watch the debate again. Bernie went over time just as much as Hillary did. Anderson had to give him the "Sen...Sena... Senator ple..." Just as often as he did Hillary. But what did Hillary do? Grin and let him finish. There's a reason everyone is attacking him for being classless last night, and not her.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Saying one lacks belief in something is not a position. It is a lack of a position. A newborn baby lacks belief in a god but that does not mean the newborn is taking a position on whether or not a god or gods exists. So if the definition of atheist is that an atheist "lacks belief in a god or gods" then a newborn would be an atheist.

If you believe that atheism is a position than the newborn is neither an atheist nor a theist and thus a person must specifically reject any belief in a god or gods to be considered an atheist. That would seem to be your position, especially if as you said, rejection is inherent.

This is essentially the "is an agnostic also an atheist" question.

Atheism is a response to a positive statement. To reject theism, one must first understand theism.

A baby is an atheist... it's actually easier to really think about something than to do whatever it is that led you to that line of thinking.

 

[ZealousD]

Atheism is a response to a positive statement. To reject theism, one must first understand theism.

You're still assuming that atheism is the rejection of theism, rather than the absence of it. You're making definition statements, how are you not understanding that? You're playing semantics by putting forth a definition and when I say "I don't agree with that definition" you're simply restating your position.

 

[Prototype Viktor]

Atheism is a response to a positive statement. To reject theism, one must first understand theism.

naw i haven't nor never understood why anyone believed in the first place or continue to do so. It never made sense my entire life but i was dragged to churches and the like b/c i was "too young" to be by myself