No it's not. Take a look at bishoptl's post to see the grace with which Denis should have acted.WrikaWrek said:That's just stupid.
Trolling in the demo thread and expressing full-bore negativity in the official thread are two different things. If you can't see that, I can't help you.WrikaWrek said:But did you? You banned Admiral Viscen for making a joke about the game graphics on the PS3. A joke that is TAME in comparison to the hundreds of jokes that are made at Dyack's and Too Human's expenses.
Much like the delicious fugu, it is a meal that can come back to haunt you.WrikaWrek said:trolling is the everyday meal at gaf.
Only a dummy lies down with dogs and complains about getting up with fleas.WrikaWrek said:Dyack was a fool to pay GAF attention, but in all honestly GAF was acting stupid about it too.
I hope it turns out well also. Not just as another Canadian developer, but for the SK team in general.Revolver said:Anyway, I hope Too Human turns out decent. Tycho at Penny Arcade had some fairly positive things to say about it. Aside from the camera and a few other minor issues the game exceeded his expectations.
bishoptl said:OK, with that said - how do you feel Turok was treated here? Do I have a legitimate axe to grind in terms of that game's treatment?
Jax said:that's it! I couldnt remember the exact phrase. What was the genesis of it again?
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lolMickeyKnox said:
Also, since when the fuck is GAF an NPO.
Bitches don't know 'bout Tyler Malka.
TeTr1C said:All of this over a thread that HE started for a half-assed ten hour "RPG" with shitty animations that they've been working on FOREVER?
PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
If you could not process his ideas, why were you not asking for clarification? Do you believe it is a good idea to let a developer, who is in the process of selling his game, commandeer your official podcast like that to do PR for his product?KefkaTaran said:We didn't see the details of what Denis was going to talk about before we went on air. We knew he wanted to discuss something and were told that his points touched on the GAF 'Stand and be counted' thread and the negative previews. And as others have suggested, I think Andrew and I were really just trying to fully process Denis's ideas. I put in a couple points where I felt I could, but...
bishoptl said:Settle the fuck down.
My last game got roasted here - with a little bit of extra ad hominem attacks by folks who have a personal axe to grind with me - and I'm a freaking admin.
I sucked it up, took my lumps, and made it clear to everyone that I wouldn't moderate the official thread at all to ensure that people felt like they could speak their minds and treat it like any other game that comes out. I sure as hell wasn't whining to Geoff Keighley on SpikeTV about the evils of internet messageboards.
To try and pass this off as some sort of grand social experiment as opposed to the reality - a callout which backfired horribly - is damage control of the most ham-fisted variety. What's worse? It doesn't do anything except draw more negative attention to his team's hard work - something I wouldn't appreciate at all if I was in their shoes.
It was a foolish thread that did nothing to help the game's cause - and that's a cardinal sin.
bishoptl said:Settle the fuck down.
My last game got roasted here - with a little bit of extra ad hominem attacks by folks who have a personal axe to grind with me - and I'm a freaking admin.
I sucked it up, took my lumps, and made it clear to everyone that I wouldn't moderate the official thread at all to ensure that people felt like they could speak their minds and treat it like any other game that comes out. I sure as hell wasn't whining to Geoff Keighley on SpikeTV about the evils of internet messageboards.
To try and pass this off as some sort of grand social experiment as opposed to the reality - a callout which backfired horribly - is damage control of the most ham-fisted variety. What's worse? It doesn't do anything except draw more negative attention to his team's hard work - something I wouldn't appreciate at all if I was in their shoes.
It was a foolish thread that did nothing to help the game's cause - and that's a cardinal sin.
mjc said:Prime example of the brilliant side that gaf has to offer.
bishoptl said:To try and pass this off as some sort of grand social experiment as opposed to the reality - a callout which backfired horribly - is damage control of the most ham-fisted variety. What's worse? It doesn't do anything except draw more negative attention to his team's hard work - something I wouldn't appreciate at all if I was in their shoes.
It was a foolish thread that did nothing to help the game's cause - and that's a cardinal sin.
mjc said:Prime example of the brilliant side that gaf has to offer.
:lol YES!Doc Evils said:Denis Dyack
Owned By Bish [link to post]
bishoptl said:Trolling in the demo thread and expressing full-bore negativity in the official thread are two different things. If you can't see that, I can't help you.
Doc Evils said:Denis Dyack
Owned By Bish [link to post]
bishoptl said:OK, with that said - how do you feel Turok was treated here? Do I have a legitimate axe to grind in terms of that game's treatment?
Should I have complained vocally every time somebody said something negative - knowing, in some cases, that their vitriol was aimed at me, personally - or better yet, abused my position to keep the official thread free of criticism?
:nods:Dyno said:This post brings up some interesting things.
NeoGaf provides tons of free advertising and exposure to games that won't be out for years! Rough numbers, but I myself am probably interested in around 20% of the games mentioned on the first page and yet day after day I am exposed to the other 80%. I'm pretty sure the end result is that I wind up buying more titles than I would otherwise. Turok falls into that catagory and serves as a good example. I don't think I would have picked it up based solely on its own merits but the discussion around it involved interesting topics like design dicussions and reasons for certain choices. In the end I wanted to see the final product to sort of round out the discussion.
Game development companies have to take the good with the bad when it comes to this and yet some of them, Like Denis, think it right to jigger with the system. Compare Bish's evenhanded behaviour to Dyacks "put up or shut up" or his comments on free speech and shutting sites like this down.
That's why he received the reception he did here.
Who is creating scandal? Excuse me but who started the "make a decision on limited information NOW NOW NOW" thread on these boards? Who ranted on a popular podcast about it?snoopers said:Honestly I haven't followed the Turok/GAF case closely, but from what I've seen I haven't got the impression that people were going after you. Obviously there wasn't only fair criticism, but I think Too Human is in another league when it comes to personal bashing.
Hell no ! Please get me right, I'm not saying Dyack was right to come here and do what he's done, it's quite the opposite actually. The only thing I'm saying, really, and as a gamer who has spent some time on Too Human, is that I think GAF members are wrong in treating the game like a piece of shit just because they don't like Denis. Again, I'm not here to take sides between the forum and Denis, I just happen to have played Too Human and find infortunate that people are saying things like "thos who read and post on message boards have had more than enough of [Denis'] excuses and egotistical rants" when talking about the game. It appears to me as a cheap excuse to create scandal, from people who never cared about the game in the first place. And this is the only thing I'm pointing out.
WrikaWrek said:Why? Because he's an attention whore, he wants Dyack to read his posts and get pissed.
Evlar said:Who is creating scandal? Excuse me but who started the "make a decision on limited information NOW NOW NOW" thread on these boards? Who ranted on a popular podcast about it?
NeoGAF is certainly not innocent of creating drama in the past but can you seriously and with a straight face blame the forum members (not named Dyack) this time?
snoopers said:Too Human hasn't been treated the normal way either, it was more than just fair critics.
Doc Evils said:I could say the same for you too, except every post of yours consists of crying and moaning.
Basically, you're just going to have to wait 2-3 weeks after the game comes out for the hype/backlash to die down and then people who barely cared about it will move on and discussion about will take place.Tobor said:Since Bish is in here, and possibly other Mods as well, I'll ask again. How is the official thread for this game going to be treated? I'm still buying this game, I'm hoping to enjoy it, and I'm hoping to have actual discussion about the game itself here on GAF, as always.
Is there too much bad blood at this point to expect that? Is a separation of Church and State even possible now?
Azih said:Too Human on GAF was be another Brute Force.
Oh, it'll be fine. I'll string up a few bodies outside the gates as warning and you guys can get on with the chit-chat. I'm definitely going to be playing the game and in the thread.Tobor said:Since Bish is in here, and possibly other Mods as well, I'll ask again. How is the official thread for this game going to be treated? I'm still buying this game, I'm hoping to enjoy it, and I'm hoping to have actual discussion about the game itself here on GAF, as always.
Is there too much bad blood at this point to expect that? Is a separation of Church and State even possible now?
I can't imagine Too Human being any different. Co-op makes everything better.snoopers said:Brute Force in co-op was awesome. Don't hate !
bishoptl said:Oh, it'll be fine. I'll string up a few bodies outside the gates as warning and you guys can get on with the chit-chat. I'm definitely going to be playing the game and in the thread.
WrikaWrek said:Really? I've been hopeful, i've been critical, and now i'm trying to generate discussion.
What did you do? You are a one note character in Too Human/Denis Dyack related threads. It's incredible. It's clear you are on a mission, and you deliberately enter in these threads to mock.
But did you?Spawn99 said:I'd listen to Denis Dyack before any of the other hack posters here at neogaf.