DarkJediKnight
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Denis Villeneuve in talks to direct Cleopatra for Sony Pictures
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This should be considered a thoughtcrime.
Gnome Scat
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Dune first, whatever else later.
Youth Crew
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I guess if you can make a Blade Runner sequel and nail it, you can make anything.
Well, besides Lawrence of Arabia...
Edit:
Shoot me now.
Lets be honest, who would be able to pull off a Lawrence better than or even equal to Peter Otoole?
Well, besides Lawrence of Arabia...
Edit:
Shoot me now.
Lets be honest, who would be able to pull off a Lawrence better than or even equal to Peter Otoole?
Always-honest
Banned
Very curious who will play Cleopatra.
It's one of the best movie ever, but for once hollywood tendency to cast younger women with older men would closer to the truth ( something like 30 year difference between Caesar and Cleopatra I think ) than the 6 years difference there was between Belucci & Chabat ( not that it did matter in that movie since it's a comedy ).Monica Belucci already was the definitive Cleopatra in 2002's Mission Cléopâtre though.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Greek or Mediterranean woman. Not really complicated.
The right answer. Until Dune is done, out and amazing, please keep the man focused on it.
Unless Dune is going high budget series format at HBO.
Diprosalic
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is it too late to get him on EP9?
yes? oh well
yes? oh well
Guerrillas in the Mist
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I'm low-key disappointed we never got a Spartacus spinoff about Pompey, Crassus and Caesar.
SofNasciment-
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I hope it happens. It's been a long time without some great Roman epic.
F0rneus
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French interview with Denis here, no subs
Barely touches Cleopatra but acknowledges it. Says that Dune will happen, if his vision gets accepted by the studio/producers. But he sure talks about Bond a lot. He talked with Barbara Broccoli and Daniel Craig, and he wants to do it. It's all about timing, and schedules. But the way he talks really makes it sound like that's going to be his next film.
Barely touches Cleopatra but acknowledges it. Says that Dune will happen, if his vision gets accepted by the studio/producers. But he sure talks about Bond a lot. He talked with Barbara Broccoli and Daniel Craig, and he wants to do it. It's all about timing, and schedules. But the way he talks really makes it sound like that's going to be his next film.
Monica Belucci already was the definitive Cleopatra in 2002's Mission Cléopâtre though.
dammit i just came here to say that she would have been the perfect Cleopatra 20 years ago and its already been done
Agreed.
Big Baybee
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Wasn't she mixed?
Mixed with what? She's a direct descendant of Alexander the Great and her entire bloodline is filled with incest.
Angelus Errare
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Monica Bellucci was a great choice. Hell I'd still choose her over whoever Hollywood is going to cast (J.Law, Scarlett, Margot)
Soooo J.Law
Soooo J.Law
you should watch his other movies: Sicario, Incendies and especially Prisoners.
Ptolemy, not Alexander.
And he was Macedonian to be specific, as was the Ptolemaic dynasty until the last few generations.
The Fatal Englishman
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It should be relatively straightforward, honestly - although it won't be judging by the reaction when Angelina Jolie's Cleopatra movie was announced. The ethnic background of Cleopatra is not really a serious matter of debate among classical scholars.
AuthenticM
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Still can't believe he's making Dune. Fuck, man. I almost cried when I read he was officially attached.
That project can't fall apart. I am not allowing it.
Outside of the biggest summer tentpole films, who asks for anything? Who's asking for Dune? Who asked for Blade Runner? Who was even asking for a new Star Wars? Hollywood is a series of throwing shit to the wall, bringing in creative people who think they could make something good out of it/convince the masses to go see it and hopefully it pays off.
If the film industry was just films that people were asking for it'd be extremely, extremely dull.
You can tell DV is the hottest director in Hollywood right now.
Dune? Bond? Cleopatra?
Really hoping BR knocks it out of the park so he's 5/5
Poimandres
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Wait why would you WANT that?!
Big Baybee
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there is speculation that her mother may have been Egyptian.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
My brief translation of the stuff that might be of interest:
Blade Runner
<Q> [Blade Runner] superfans will be mad if you mess this up, they'll be scrutinizing your every move, how's that for pressure? <A> Ridley did a good job on the world and the story, and I think with this stuff I had a good base to be able to execute good science fiction. i'm getting used to working under pressure... [more stuff] Ridley gave me carte blanche, he didn't lurk over my shoulder, he gave me the keys to the kingdom.
<Q> A french journalist saw the film and said it's like Blade Runner, but Denis Villeneuve. What do you think? <A> i don't want to respond to any individual reviews until i see what the overall critical and public audience says.
[a propos of nothing] <A> Montreal is where the film was born. I holed up with Roger Deakins in a hotel a few blocks that way and we shaped the film.
<A> Science fiction is interesting to me insofar as it reflects the world of today. this is a film of today. science fiction lets us really engage with themes that would seem annoying or jarring in a conventional drama, but here they work.
<A> I really liked the Philip K. Dick short stories and found them helpful when thinking about the film, Ridley didn't.
On His Career Taking Off
<A> Budget around 150 million
<Q> Would you come back and do another [like Polytechnique, his first film] little 5 million dollar film in Quebec? <A> yeah, of course, the budget is just a thing you need to realize an idea, Blade Runner needed 150 million because of what it is.
What's Next
<Q> yeah, but you're obviously taking on bigger work. I'm told you're on cleopatra? <A> I like picking up projects under the radar, I begin by talking to people. This stuff has a way of making it into the press, but I want to be able to have these kinds of early discussions. you're mostly reading stuff about projects I'd be doing in 5, 6, or 7 years. I'm also attached to "Dune" -- it's not written yet, we're still in the scenario pre-production. I would really like to do this.
<Q> We're also reading you're circling Bond? Really? Have you talked with Daniel Craig? <A> I can't comment on this either, unfortunately, but I have a relationship with Barbara Broccoli and Daniel Craig.
<Q> Right but would you like to make a Bond film? <A> It would be a pleasure, a real pleasure. It's a character that has followed me from childhood, through adolescence, through now... it'd be a pleasure. It wouldn't even be work, it would just be pleasure... but there are a lot of factors that go in to making a film, a lot of early stuff.
My take is that Bond is not confirmed, Cleopatra is not guaranteed, and Dune is likely to happen but very early. Any errors in the translation are mine, I only had around 30 minutes so most of this stuff has only been listened to once and I had a very tight timeline to edit some of the stuff I missed the first time around.
AuthenticM
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Polytechnique is his third feature film, after Un 32 août sur Terre and Maelström.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
All errors mine!
RuinerPrime
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I wouldnt hate this
AuthenticM
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You should watch Maelström. It's great. Fantastic use of Charles Aznavour in the film. Les deux guitares, more specifically.
Chuckie
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They will probably cast Marie Avgeropoulos
My 100 Waifu!
llien
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Welp (1 to 4 are the most accurate representations, I presume, as nobody came close to Greeks at it back then)
But historic accuracy is never the main criteria.
dammit i just came here to say that she would have been the perfect Cleopatra 20 years ago and its already been done
I second that.
Vigilant Walrus
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Cleopatra is in my eyes more difficult to pull off than Dune. Because you're not just trying to tell a complex story in the framework of one of the most legendary female figures in all of human history, but also navigate telling the story in a context that makes sense for modern audiences.
As culture changes, we get new spins on old stories. The race thing could be a massive red flag on about why not to make the film. But there are other things as well; She was said to be beautiful, but not by western standards. What they perceived to be sexy we might not find so.
Then there is also the question of the framework of her story. Because her story is Caesars story. Their adventures in Egypt is something out of a Indiana Jones movies, and both their ends in Rome is sad and defiant. But that is tied into so much much more important history.
I am interested in seeing how Assassins Creed Origins will handle it later next this month. Cleopatra is said to be a major character character in the game. And I think they hit on a compromise that made sense with regards to her racial features;
As culture changes, we get new spins on old stories. The race thing could be a massive red flag on about why not to make the film. But there are other things as well; She was said to be beautiful, but not by western standards. What they perceived to be sexy we might not find so.
Then there is also the question of the framework of her story. Because her story is Caesars story. Their adventures in Egypt is something out of a Indiana Jones movies, and both their ends in Rome is sad and defiant. But that is tied into so much much more important history.
I am interested in seeing how Assassins Creed Origins will handle it later next this month. Cleopatra is said to be a major character character in the game. And I think they hit on a compromise that made sense with regards to her racial features;
andythinkpad
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Heh, she is more pure blood than Daenerys Targaryen.
Garrett Hawke
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Can we not have a female director instead
Men directing womens stories will always be flavoured by mens understanding of women.
Men directing womens stories will always be flavoured by mens understanding of women.
llien
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I do not mind having female director.
Yet I do mind the narrative of "flavored understanding", which, if applied consistently, will end in "segregation". It is particularly appalling in a world where people argue that genders are social constructs.
Inferno313
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Not that I disagree, Id love a woman on this, but I think Denis handles women a lot better than most male directors. Amy Adams character in Arrival and Emily Blunts in Sicario were both great women characters.
Slap a wig on a pale-skinned pretty woman with big tits and call it a day.
You know there are soooo many fair-skinned people living in Northern Africa. Plus, as far as being a ruler of Egypt? Of course she's solely inbred, to protect her pure, fair skin!
The idea that nobody would accept a black woman but would rather have European or Israeli people play Cleopatra just seems so.... Hollywood. You'd rather argue shes inbred to all mutated hell, than accept that she could be just a little bit "BLACK".
Either way, Hollywood will make this white, since the audience wouldn't accept Caesar and Antony falling for a dark-skinned queen, not in their history. Wouldn't watch this anyway.
You know there are soooo many fair-skinned people living in Northern Africa. Plus, as far as being a ruler of Egypt? Of course she's solely inbred, to protect her pure, fair skin!
The idea that nobody would accept a black woman but would rather have European or Israeli people play Cleopatra just seems so.... Hollywood. You'd rather argue shes inbred to all mutated hell, than accept that she could be just a little bit "BLACK".
Either way, Hollywood will make this white, since the audience wouldn't accept Caesar and Antony falling for a dark-skinned queen, not in their history. Wouldn't watch this anyway.
AuthenticM
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Also see: Un 32 août sur Terre, Maelström, Polytechnique and Incendies. The guy has made more movies starring women than men, and all were well-written.
beato_angelico
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Someone needs a history lesson
Is Cleopatra really as sacrosanct as Lawrence?
PeskyToaster
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She was 100% Greek. She's like the only Ptolemaic ruler to actually learn Egyptian. All others refused and just used Greek. She's as Egyptian as Queen Victoria was Indian.
It's not about what people want to argue, it's about what's backed up by history
https://blog.oup.com/2010/12/cleopatra-2/
You talk about the incest as if it's some fairytale, meanwhile Cleopatra herself was married to two of her brothers.
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