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Denver students accuse school board of censoring U.S. history

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Amir0x

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I was schooled in NY and FL and the FL US history texts never mentioned slavery or internment camps

Not a surprise. New York, as a non-textbook adoption state, allows publishers from the adoption states to market their books there. And of the adoption states, really only Texas, California and Florida matter due to their size. And of these three adoption states, Texas rules the roost.

And Texas State Board of Education is filled with creationists and nutjobs who continue (and succeed) to insert language that suggests there is some "debate" about evolution, and just eviscerate social studies education. In the movie "Revisionaries" I mentioned earlier, you actually see a vote where they remove any reference to "Institutional Racism". Later some lady vigorously argued that Calvin and Aquinas were the true source of Enlightenment thinking and so that section on early American history had to be changed to include them. If you want your head to explode, feel free to watch.

So, because the Texas State Board of Education largely sets the agenda for a massive percentage of the textbooks in the country, states like New York end up buying them and getting straight fucked.
 
Conservatives around the country oppose the current federal AP history curriculum and exam because they believe that it is biased in favor of a liberal interpretation of history.

They complain that AP students are being taught a version of history that turns much of what is accepted as U.S. history on its ear and looks at the country’s history of oppression of ethnic minorities and the poor.

Retired New Jersey history teacher Larry S. Krieger told Newsweek, “As I read through the document, I saw a consistently negative view of American history that highlights oppressors and exploiters.”

Krieger is one of the conservative activists leading the charge to change textbooks across the country to reflect a more traditional view of U.S. history and American exceptionalism.

While the narrative may be “historically true,” he argues, “progressives are going to be the heroes in this narrative.”

High school AP history, he said, should be less like a college course and award more plaudits to the founding fathers, captains of industry and other conservative heroes. The liberal bias in the AP curriculum, he said, will turn students against large companies, corporations and wealthy Americans.

“What we have here is a repetition of a theme: There’s another problem, the progressives come to the rescue, and who are the villains?” he said. “Well, American companies are the villains, of course.”

I took multiple AP History courses in High School, and USA History classes in college for fun.

Their logic is fundamentally absurd. And I'm saying this as someone who doesn't usually vote Democrat.
 
"The censorship of U.S. history is wrong, and I think it's pretty communist."

That sounds like the uninformed comment of someone who has read some patriotic history books.

Is communist a catch all phrase for everything negative in the U.S.?

"I sure ate a communist burger at Burger King today, did not even clap once."
 

TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Same in California.

I took AP US History in California (1992-1993) and it was definitely sugarcoated. What I remember most is that the idea of manifest destiny was taken at face value.
 

Madness

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Wasn't there a push to remove racism from children's books as well in the past? One of the more well-known ones was removing any mentions of the N-word in Adventures of Huckleberry Finn and changing Injun Joe to "Indian" and basically sanitizing most of the language.

On the one hand you could argue kids don't necessarily need to have those words in or sentiment to enjoy the story, but on the other hand, you're trying to pretend those words didn't exist at all or weren't used. Even in Canada it's no different. You very rarely learned about anything that made Canada or Canadians in the past look in a bad light.
 
Exactly. My children are schooled in Colorado and they learn about these things. I was schooled in Nebraska and I learned these things. This is one school district with over-reaching school board members. It has nothing to do with redness or blueness of a state, it only has to do with crazy people in charge of things they shouldn't be in charge of.

i specifically remember doing a report on the horrors of Agent Orange for my 8th grade history class. my partner and I had to make a 3-paneled display for it.

in 6th grade we had a WWII survivor come in who had been to a concentration camp. there was a big diagram of one and everything and he showed us where the people slept, worked, were killed/died, and were 'buried'. it was terrifying and incredible at the same time.

liberalism/conservatism has nothing to do with this. there are morons on both (all) sides.
 

sleepykyo

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I was schooled in NY and FL and the FL US history texts never mentioned slavery or internment camps

I'm surprised about the NY segment. I was schooled in CA (LA and SF specifically). The stuff regarding internment camps picked up quite a bit in SF, which is to be expected given Angel Island's history.
 
School board President Ken Witt said the goal is to give all of the community more of a say in what's taught in classrooms.

"The idea is to make certain that we are expanding community involvement and community voice in curriculum," Witt said. "That's not censorship. That's the opposite of censorship. This is exactly what these students would want, I hope."

Taking things out that are politically inconvenient is censorship, you dolt. Fuck your community, the kids want to learn facts, let them learn facts. The real history is more interesting than whatever whitewashed trash you'll deem worthy of shitting onto the curriculum.
 
“What we have here is a repetition of a theme: There’s another problem, the progressives come to the rescue, and who are the villains?” he said. “Well, American companies are the villains, of course.”
Hmm... I noticed this trend when I was a teenager as well. Perhaps it isn't a bias but an actual representation of facts.
 

BigDug13

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How is this going to work when kids reach college age and take history? They're not exactly censoring that level of education.
 
I was schooled in NY and FL and the FL US history texts never mentioned slavery or internment camps
What? Where was this in FL? I was schooled in FL as well and we spend extensive amount of time on slavery and internment camps and trail of tears and everything. Hell, we even had to research the effects of syphilis (the Tuskegee experiments) and agent orange in detail.
 
This is exactly what happened in high school for me. We interrupted dude and was like "wait, are we missing that whole slavery thing?"

He was like "This isn't black history month" and kept on going....

I once had a white USA History professor who taught a general USA History course but decided to tailor our lectures and discussions towards the struggles and accomplishments of Blacks in the USA.

For example, the Midterm essay question was an open-ended "Trace the experience of African Americans from the Reconstruction era to the Jim Crow era (1865-1909)."

It ended up being my favourite USA History course.

That kind of thought process is appalling.
 
This is exactly what happened in high school for me. We interrupted dude and was like "wait, are we missing that whole slavery thing?"

He was like "This isn't black history month" and kept on going....

I would've caused a scene, honestly.

You're going to cut out slavery, which is essentially the meat and potatoes of the 19th century, which lead to many events within the US in the 20th? Fuck that, you're not my history teacher.

I lived in Alabama, but had an awesome history teacher in freshman year who would sprinkle in the horrible shit the US done throughout the years. I was given an assignment on the Japanese-American camps during WW2 and that was the best project I ever done. Sucks that others had to deal with shitty teachers that only feed the terrible system being played now.
 
I would've caused a scene, honestly.

You're going to cut out slavery, which is essentially the meat and potatoes of the 19th century, which lead to many events within the US in the 20th? Fuck that, you're not a history teacher.

That's probably more accurate.

Giving the community a say in what parts of history should be taught can be just a bad idea. You want them to learn more about a particular part of America's past? Great, that's really great, but don't then go off and sweep the wrongs and injustices America has been responsible for under the rug, because that's just bullshit. Gotta keep your shit in check, make the view of the facts broad to both cover good and bad.
 
I was schooled in NY and FL and the FL US history texts never mentioned slavery or internment camps

Where in FL did you go to school at? I went through the entire FL school system and our history books always mentioned slavery and interment camps, along with other horrific acts by the US.
 

Gattsu25

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Where in FL did you go to school at? I went through the entire FL school system and our history books always mentioned slavery and interment camps, along with other horrific acts by the US.

This was Sebastian River High School in the 1997-98 school year. Part of the Indian River school district.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Not a surprise. New York, as a non-textbook adoption state, allows publishers from the adoption states to market their books there. And of the adoption states, really only Texas, California and Florida matter due to their size. And of these three adoption states, Texas rules the roost.

And Texas State Board of Education is filled with creationists and nutjobs who continue (and succeed) to insert language that suggests there is some "debate" about evolution, and just eviscerate social studies education. In the movie "Revisionaries" I mentioned earlier, you actually see a vote where they remove any reference to "Institutional Racism". Later some lady vigorously argued that Calvin and Aquinas were the true source of Enlightenment thinking and so that section on early American history had to be changed to include them. If you want your head to explode, feel free to watch.

So, because the Texas State Board of Education largely sets the agenda for a massive percentage of the textbooks in the country, states like New York end up buying them and getting straight fucked.

You misread his remark. He was saying that the FL book never had anything about that stuff. He was contrasting the difference between the two. I can tell you that the NY books have no such problems. Slavery and internment do get mentioned among other things.

Also, New York is not an adoption state. It is an open-territory state.

I'm surprised about the NY segment. I was schooled in CA (LA and SF specifically). The stuff regarding internment camps picked up quite a bit in SF, which is to be expected given Angel Island's history.

I was schooled in NY and they had plenty of that stuff. You're reading his remark wrong.
 

Mumei

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Even when they do teach the subjects, they don't necessarily teach it accurately.

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Chapter 12, "Why Is History Taught Like This", is particularly good.
 
"The back of the bus is where the air conditioning is, so no one ever really complained," wrote a Twitter user named Alan Franklin.

"The Vietnam war was a great victory for the US and the free North against communists in the South," Jarret Herrmann added, also on Twitter.

Very accurately
delusional
. How the hell would any district agree to this rubbish i don´t understand.

And the fact that some posters here mention that Florida does not teach about slavery is very shocking, and disheartening. Ignoring slavery which caused so much pain and suffering does not mean it does not happen. Now i can understand better why the US is still so divided racially. Do they teach about slavery in the rest of the south?
 
State Board of Ed. member: US ended slavery voluntarily

Pam Mazanec, a Larkspur businesswoman who sits on Colorado’s Board of Education, posted on a Facebook discussion thread her concerns that questions asked on the Advanced Placement U.S. history test “portray the negative viewpoint as the correct answer.”
“As an example, I note our slavery history,” she wrote to a woman who teaches AP U.S history. “Yes, we practiced slavery. But we also ended it voluntarily, at great sacrifice, while the practice continues in many countries still today!
“Shouldn’t our students be provided that viewpoint? This is part of the argument that America is exceptional. Does our APUSH (AP U.S. History) framework support or denigrate that position?”

More at the link.
 
Pam Mazanec, a Larkspur businesswoman who sits on Colorado’s Board of Education, posted on a Facebook discussion thread her concerns that questions asked on the Advanced Placement U.S. history test “portray the negative viewpoint as the correct answer.”
“As an example, I note our slavery history,” she wrote to a woman who teaches AP U.S history. “Yes, we practiced slavery. But we also ended it voluntarily, at great sacrifice, while the practice continues in many countries still today!
“Shouldn’t our students be provided that viewpoint? This is part of the argument that America is exceptional. Does our APUSH (AP U.S. History) framework support or denigrate that position?”

Oh my god.

Does this incredibly ignorant person realise that MANY slaveowners hated the end of slavery and went down kicking and screaming?

What about Jim Crow laws and other Southern legislation designed to keep Black people oppressed?

What about legalised, perfectly acceptable discrimination for a hundred years after slavery ended?


So no. Students shouldn't get indoctrinated by "that viewpoint." They don't deserve to get spoon-fed ANY positive viewpoint over the tragedy that was Black slavery.
 
What? Where was this in FL? I was schooled in FL as well and we spend extensive amount of time on slavery and internment camps and trail of tears and everything. Hell, we even had to research the effects of syphilis (the Tuskegee experiments) and agent orange in detail.
This was similar to my experience in New Jersey. In addition we learned that Columbus caused what was essentially genocide. We held a debate in class on whether or not we should celebrate Columbus Day. I was on the Pro side, not that I agreed, but because we couldn't debate if no one chose pro lol. It's been 10 years, but all I really remember about history class is a lot about slavery and the civil rights movement, the mistreatment of the native Americans, and the wars, although I don't remember talking about Vietnam. I remember WW2 and the A-bomb and how terrible it was but I don't remember internment camps. We could have learned about them and I just forgot of course.

It was a good education. The only thing we learned that I ended up later learning was false was how Edison was such a great inventor. It was university that I learned he was a bit of a thug, or at least had thugs on his payroll.
 

Zane

Member
Ben Murky, a high school junior, said, "The censorship of U.S. history is wrong, and I think it's pretty communist."

I agree with his overall point but I dont think he knows what communist means
 

Dinokill

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Rage Against the fucking Machine
 

ppor

Member
Article said:
High school AP history, he said, should be less like a college course and award more plaudits to the founding fathers, captains of industry and other conservative heroes.

But that's the whole point of AP History...
 

Skunkers

Member
I was schooled in NY and FL and the FL US history texts never mentioned slavery or internment camps

I'm yet another product of the Florida school system and we definitely did have that mentioned. I was also in high school in the same timeframe you were (1997-2001).
 
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Not a surprise. New York, as a non-textbook adoption state, allows publishers from the adoption states to market their books there. And of the adoption states, really only Texas, California and Florida matter due to their size. And of these three adoption states, Texas rules the roost.

And Texas State Board of Education is filled with creationists and nutjobs who continue (and succeed) to insert language that suggests there is some "debate" about evolution, and just eviscerate social studies education. In the movie "Revisionaries" I mentioned earlier, you actually see a vote where they remove any reference to "Institutional Racism". Later some lady vigorously argued that Calvin and Aquinas were the true source of Enlightenment thinking and so that section on early American history had to be changed to include them. If you want your head to explode, feel free to watch.

So, because the Texas State Board of Education largely sets the agenda for a massive percentage of the textbooks in the country, states like New York end up buying them and getting straight fucked.

This is depressing. How can any culture expect to move forward when they can't even teach their youth right.
 
History is always being censored. If not by school board then by the media or just the general public. When was the last time you saw 9/11 footage? Like real footage, not the packaged make America feel better stuff. America has perfected historic denial both foreign and domestic.
 
The only history I was taught in school was taught by ultra-liberals. One guy actually had me convinced that Vietnam was a mistake.
Has anyone taken a survey of high school history teachers asking their ideology? I'd love to see it. I'd guess 70-80% would self-identify as uber-liberals.
That's probably not high enough for you guys, I know. Don't settle until you reach 100%. Then we'll get the real and only version of history being taught. That's what you want right?
 
AP US curriculum in Jersey had us studying slavery and the reconstruction period for the large majority of the course. Huh.
 

water_wendi

Water is not wet!
The only history I was taught in school was taught by ultra-liberals. One guy actually had me convinced that Vietnam was a mistake.
Has anyone taken a survey of high school history teachers asking their ideology? I'd love to see it. I'd guess 70-80% would self-identify as uber-liberals.
That's probably not high enough for you guys, I know. Don't settle until you reach 100%. Then we'll get the real and only version of history being taught. That's what you want right?

im trying to think of the positives to US involvement in Vietnam and am not coming up with much. Its OT but im interested in what you believe made the Vietnam War a sound choice for our nation.
 

Paskil

Member
im trying to think of the positives to US involvement in Vietnam and am not coming up with much. Its OT but im interested in what you believe made the Vietnam War a sound choice for our nation.

Read his post history and you'll probably answer that question yourself...

Not to say that conservative voices aren't welcome here, but he belongs to the Breitbart school of thought.
 
im trying to think of the positives to US involvement in Vietnam and am not coming up with much. Its OT but im interested in what you believe made the Vietnam War a sound choice for our nation.
For one, a lot of amazing music came out of it.
Most importantly, it made us as a nation realize that extended involvement in a foreign country's eternal affairs with no strategy for actually winning the war should and would never be repeated again.
Btw, I wonder if you have any comments about the rest of that post?
 

Armaros

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For one, a lot of amazing music came out of it.
Most importantly, it made us as a nation realize that extended involvement in a foreign country's eternal affairs with no strategy for actually winning the war should and would never be repeated again.
Btw, I wonder if you have any comments about the rest of that post?

I am sure the dead and the scarred vets appreciate the music and the lesson the country had to learn with their blood and suffering.

Or....

I am sure that is the definition of Spin. Good job
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
It was a good choice because it was a bad choice.

This is some next level shit.

The fact that you learn from a mistake doesn't retroactively make that mistake a good decision.
 
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