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Destiny 2's biggest core change? "Probably the inclusion of a story," says Bungie
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BoBoThunder
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True. But the Lore is really interesting if you take the time to look into it. Granted, Bungie did not do a great job in setting up a way to read the lore.
There are Dragons in Destiny. Dragons!?! Never mentioned anywhere but the lore. The fact that they are moving away from the lore they set up is a little disappointing but I'm hoping that, instead of this, they will create a good story like TTK.
DVPredator85
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Y'all gonna be crying like a bunch of little girls who got their candy stolen if Destiny 2 didn't have a story.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Considering the previous threads we've had about how Bungie has been treating Destiny's story (like believing obviously unfinished arcs are finished) I can't say I have much faith in what they believe with anything regarding story.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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I strongly disagree.
Halo 2 onwards were a mess story-wise... so much so that gamers had to go look for books and expanded universe media to enjoy it.
Tbf, however, Halo games after Halo:CE became increasingly designed in a way such that cinematic narrative exposition would have been too much at odds with the gameplay. So I don't blame them really... people weren't buying Halo for the story.
I don't feel like that's significant, and I say that as someone who has put a ridiculous amount of time into D1.
The time to nail the story and make people invested in that world and the characters *was* D1. They didn't manage to do it, so my D1 experience became all about the gameplay; the missions, strikes, raids, and of course, later in life, PvP over basically everything else. And that all gave me a better appreciation for what Destiny was really good at vs. the things that it was not. A glass half-full approach, but anyone who is going to spend that amount of time grinding in a game needs a way to vindicate time spent.
So if story is the big new addition, that's a nice-to-have, but it wasn't a need-to-have. The real need, the real focus of D2, should have been content production. That should be their answer here: "Well, we're going to have more content over time than D1 ever had. There's going to be big content drops every 3 months, and stuff sprinkled throughout that time."
That's the kind of talk that gets people excited. Not "we're going to find out if we can make a guardian cry" or whatever.
The time to nail the story and make people invested in that world and the characters *was* D1. They didn't manage to do it, so my D1 experience became all about the gameplay; the missions, strikes, raids, and of course, later in life, PvP over basically everything else. And that all gave me a better appreciation for what Destiny was really good at vs. the things that it was not. A glass half-full approach, but anyone who is going to spend that amount of time grinding in a game needs a way to vindicate time spent.
So if story is the big new addition, that's a nice-to-have, but it wasn't a need-to-have. The real need, the real focus of D2, should have been content production. That should be their answer here: "Well, we're going to have more content over time than D1 ever had. There's going to be big content drops every 3 months, and stuff sprinkled throughout that time."
That's the kind of talk that gets people excited. Not "we're going to find out if we can make a guardian cry" or whatever.
PhantomThief
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Haha spot on
CraigerGamer
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I couldn't disagree more. I think the fact that they are getting their engine and story in order is key to a better Destiny experience. The game could not evolve and expand as you want under Destiny 1. So, I think, giving Bungie the latitude for this fresh start is how we get to an expansive and fun universe/playground/loot, loot, loot.
Jakartalado
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Coming from Halo Reach, my favorite FPS and from my understanding the only great FPS since Half Life 2.
This is ridiculous Bungie.
This is ridiculous Bungie.
ToyMachine228
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I agree completely that the moves they've made are positive with the exception of 4v4 crucible which I remain neutral on until I get to experience it. I think they've taken the right step back by "rebooting" in a lot of ways. I just think it's a shame that they haven't put together at least one major "new feature in reference to content and gameplay that will be present at launch. It sounds likr theyre nailing the game systems but I'd like to see a bit more than that.
More and more, I understand how Bungie's work on the Halo games was indicative of their limitations writing a videogame story. In the sense of being able to write story contained in a game. A lot of what I enjoy from those titles came via novelizations and extended fiction. Titles like Reach and ODST were them at their best, in terms of writing, but apparently those were something of an exception. Which is funny, because from most accounts after-the-fact, those were situations they felt particularly constrained by publisher expectations.
I'm glad they're being frank, but man. I'm making the biggest frownie-face reading these interviews. It sure as shit isn't a lack of budget holding them back.
Yeah, pretty much.
I'm glad they're being frank, but man. I'm making the biggest frownie-face reading these interviews. It sure as shit isn't a lack of budget holding them back.
Yeah, pretty much.
The Last Wizard
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Cause they cant even accomplish that, they give no fucks about story and its coming across. Theyre really coasting it seems and they need someone to challenge them in this market.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
imagine a bullet point for your pseudo-mmo sequel being "IT HAS A STORY NOW"
Destiny is something else
Destiny is something else
This is them trying to give a fuck about the story. I really do hope they succeed.
almostjuliuscaesar
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Grimore is out. All the story is "in game" now
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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What about 60 fps on PC!? That;s the biggest change of all baby
I think they have the sense from their player base that people are increasingly aware of the writing shortcomings, which does matter when you're re-setting their progression in persuit of a new branch of the story. The feel of the gameplay was never an issue, so while access on PC and a smoother framerate is nice, it's not the part they need to "convince" anyone of.
Its crazy
"So that main campaign, thats what the trailers are about," explains Smith. "Then, below that in the layering, you have adventures that are stories about the worlds, the planets and the particular enemies contained therein - it doesnt directly relate to the Red War, it tells a different story."
Excited for the Cthulhu sub-plot on Titan
I bet they are just Hive, they like to hide deep underground.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Destiny has one of the best shooting mechanics I have ever played. The addition of 60 fps is a huge deal to make it even better. They are not stressing it thought because it is only available on PC....
Roaringburn
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True, but I don't think his "keep it real" method is great for selling the franchise or building camaraderie at the studio.
I get that for a lot of fans, vanilla Destiny had a lot of problems with the story - but given that game was in development since Halo: Reach, I'd imagine it was an incredibly difficult process to make.
Each time Luke gets on the mic and starts saying "lol Destiny 1 sucked," he's basically invalidating the work his own studio did.
VincentMatts
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Destiny 1 did suck. Bigger problem than story imo was the lack of content. Good story without enough content is no better.
Although I'm 100% excited about D2, I guess I do share a little of your disappointment about not greatly expanding the sandbox (tanks aside).
We do need to wait and see how it all comes together though - the devil's in the detail and the changes may make for a very different experience overall.
Bungie will always be damned if they do, damned if they don't with Destiny.
The story sucks in Destiny, but the gameplay is good? Ridicule it forever!
They worked on making an epic storyline in the sequel? Story doesn't matter, they should've worked on the other things that we can be mad about!
I think there literally isn't anything Bungie could do to make most people actually give it a fair chance. It's become the thing to shit on no matter what.
The story sucks in Destiny, but the gameplay is good? Ridicule it forever!
They worked on making an epic storyline in the sequel? Story doesn't matter, they should've worked on the other things that we can be mad about!
I think there literally isn't anything Bungie could do to make most people actually give it a fair chance. It's become the thing to shit on no matter what.
NullPointer
Member
More like they've cried wolf on story too many times now.
Hopefully they mean it this time, and can pull it off without sacrificing what makes the co-op and replayability so accessible.
Roaringburn
Member
Oh it definitely did have its issues, I was fully there ridiculing "I don't have time to explain why I don't have to explain" + calling out Bungie's heavy-handed narrative of "Light vs. Dark."
My point is there's a way for Luke/Bungie to acknowledge OG Destiny issues without pooping all over it, but I also think it's not going to happen because Luke doesn't seem to be the person who chooses a PR constructed message vs. "keep it real" style.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Wont somebody please think of the poor half finished AAA game from a revered studio with years to make it and infinite money
I didn't play Destiny 1 but the art direction had always looked so cool that I was disappointed to hear there was basically no story.
Not sure why people react so negative to this, I for one hope there's actually some value to this game from a singleplayer perspective. But maybe I'm delusional and it'll just be another soulless grind.
Not sure why people react so negative to this, I for one hope there's actually some value to this game from a singleplayer perspective. But maybe I'm delusional and it'll just be another soulless grind.
I think people wanted both.
Most gaffers maybe, but most people are going to go mental for D2 when it comes out. It's going to be HUGE.
Bungie aren't stupid. Most of the critical responses here are just noisy internet trolls with nothing worth listening to.
I think all they've said is that the grimoire is gone. I don't think they've mentioned anything about moving it in-game with their new lore system.
I REALLY like Halo as a singleplayer game but the story was super poorly presented in so many ways in that game. I don't you can argues that Bungie knows how to do story right based on Halo.
Because Destiny is the only game in existence that can't be legitimately criticized.....
Destiny was a vastly more ambitious game compared to Halo.
Yes, the campaign suffered but there was so, so much more in there. Twas a huge achievement.
I'm fully up for legitimate criticism.
It's the relentless illegitimate stuff that bugs me.
They accomplished it well enough with Praedyth. In fact it's probably the best approach to take. The player is as new in the world as the player character. Let them pick up hints before going in whole hog. This new Cabal arc is another step in that direction.
However, when doing this every time you abandon a thread it's very frustrating. Every dangling thread just makes you care less about all the others because you never know which ones will actually be paid off. Praedyth was a minor character that paid off well. The Stranger so far has not.
Every thread doesn't have to devolve into, 'with us or against us.' Destiny fans have traditionally been hyper critical in the community thread. We're talking essays of unrepentant rage. If criticism isn't worth listening to then I wish we could stop bringing it up so often and instead talk about the stuff that is worth discussing.
This premise is total bullshit. Writing a well-integrated videogame story would have people happy. What you're seeing is doubt that they'll execute on it, based on how Destiny was marketed/described the first time around, and awareness of how story was approached in their previous projects. This concern about storytelling isn't pulled out of thin air; the devs are making that clear themselves.
Compsiox
Banned
How can they retcon everything if they keep records?
I disagree, Halo 1, Halo 2 and ODST had great stories as those were the Halo games where Joseph Staten had the most input. Halo 3 and Reach had lackluster stories as he was either forced out or working on other projects.
As for Destiny, they tossed out his story treatment which we all know how disastrous that turned out to be for the games lore.
Likely this (is the reason we won't see existing grimoire lore copy-pasted into D2).
But Destiny isn't a single player experience. You're trying to force this into a game that isn't that.
Crossing Eden
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Destiny 1 did have a story, it was just haphazardly handled due to being forcibly scrapped and retooled way too far into development.
I think asking for a decent single player experience is fair. With d1 people bought it expecting another Halo style space epic, but what they got was a strangely strung together campaign which didn't have any real payoff.
If they can build a decent AAA fps campaign, as well as the coop focused loot activities to do once you have finished the campaign, they will bring much more people along into the end game. I think last time there must have been thousands of people who quit the game part way through the campaign and never got to the meat of the game past level 20.