Destiny 2: The Edge of Fate expansion launched today, maybe should have been named Destiny 2: The Edge of Flop

The game has also managed to be even more dead when it comes to even see other players. Really no need to go to the tower(also, bring the old tower back you fuckos), no other people in the campaign, hardly anyone in the lfg for it, before it was alot. The new place is singleinstanced, if you not bring your own fireteam. When going into the portal as recommended most of it has no matchmaking and is solo. This is such a horrible DLC in every single possible way.

This is one of the worst things about the last two expacs they've done. That was something I loved about D1 was going into the zones and seeing other people doing shit, joining in the fight and looting etc.
I finished the campaign in the new one last night and didnt see a single other person, it feels terrible. Plus you cant even use your speeder in the new zone as well. Dogshit design choices.
 
The game has also managed to be even more dead when it comes to even see other players. Really no need to go to the tower(also, bring the old tower back you fuckos), no other people in the campaign, hardly anyone in the lfg for it, before it was alot. The new place is singleinstanced, if you not bring your own fireteam. When going into the portal as recommended most of it has no matchmaking and is solo. This is such a horrible DLC in every single possible way.

The only matchmade activity under Fireteam Ops is quickplay and I hate it. I don't understand why the other options there can't matchmaker.
 
There are tons of different bundles for this game. What's cheapest option to get into this?(I know it's f2p, but I want to buy some expansions too). They are selling light bla bla dlc, but you have to buy dungeon key for full content? I liked Destiny 1 but destiny 2 was overwhelming when I tried it years ago. It's probably got worse over the years, right?
 
There are tons of different bundles for this game. What's cheapest option to get into this?(I know it's f2p, but I want to buy some expansions too). They are selling light bla bla dlc, but you have to buy dungeon key for full content? I liked Destiny 1 but destiny 2 was overwhelming when I tried it years ago. It's probably got worse over the years, right?
Actually have no idea, and i have just been gone since after final shape......Its just miserable to comeback to this shitshow and nobody should even try as a new player at all. There is so many better games to go play instead!
 
There are tons of different bundles for this game. What's cheapest option to get into this?(I know it's f2p, but I want to buy some expansions too). They are selling light bla bla dlc, but you have to buy dungeon key for full content? I liked Destiny 1 but destiny 2 was overwhelming when I tried it years ago. It's probably got worse over the years, right?
From my experience, usually the best Destiny is what's current, it's all about being there at the time. This new yearly dual mini expansion and seasonal way of doing things I know little of and can't say if that's the case right now, so that might be very wide of the mark.

There's plenty to go at before you need to spend anything, just do the new light thing, get used to the characters/classes and see what you enjoy, but if you want to buy stuff anyway maybe just go for the one which I think has all up to Witch Queen bundled for very cheap.

For now forget about dungeon passes and stuff - there's free raids and dungeons to keep you busy for quite some time if you want to team up and do some of that kind of content, and plenty of experienced players who enjoy taking people through. Then you can see if i's something you want to spend on, get up to date and current with.
 
From my experience, usually the best Destiny is what's current, it's all about being there at the time. This new yearly dual mini expansion and seasonal way of doing things I know little of and can't say if that's the case right now, so that might be very wide of the mark.

There's plenty to go at before you need to spend anything, just do the new light thing, get used to the characters/classes and see what you enjoy, but if you want to buy stuff anyway maybe just go for the one which I think has all up to Witch Queen bundled for very cheap.

For now forget about dungeon passes and stuff - there's free raids and dungeons to keep you busy for quite some time if you want to team up and do some of that kind of content, and plenty of experienced players who enjoy taking people through. Then you can see if i's something you want to spend on, get up to date and current with.
I decided to play Destiny 2 first. If I enjoy it, I will get the legacy 2025 pack, which contains all the main story parts(light and dark saga thing) and quite cheap. Dungeons keys are expensive anyway, I probably won't bother with them.
 
So Destiny 2 is FTP but have to buy the expansions? Nm I don't care lol.
F2P games give you some stuff for free but they have other stuff you have to pay for if you want it.

What's cheapest option to get into this?(I know it's f2p, but I want to buy some expansions too).
Get the Legacy Collection 2025 bundle.

If you go to the game's page in Steam there's this:
  • Destiny 2 base game (free)
  • Destiny 2 Year of Prophecy: these are the new two paid 2025 mini expansions
  • Destiny 2 Legacy Collection 2025 bundle (8.43€ on Steam and 20.99€ in PSN if you have PS+, 88% and 70% off respectively as of now): includes several recent big yearly expansions and some additional content:
    • The Final Shape Standard Edition*
    • Lightfall Standard Edition*
    • The Witch Queen Standard Edition*
    • Beyond Light Pack**
    • Shadowkeep Pack**
    • Forsaken Pack
    • Bungie 30th Anniversary Pack
    • Pit of Heresy Dungeon
    • Shattered Throne Dungeon
    • Grasp of Avarice Dungeon
*Dungeon Keys for The Final Shape, Lightfall, and The Witch Queen are sold separately.

**The Beyond Light and Shadowkeep campaigns are open to all players in Destiny 2 and are not included in this pack.

With the free stuff and this $9 bundle you'll have a lot of content.
 
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F2P games give you some stuff for free but they have other stuff you have to pay for if you want it.
F2P games usually give you most of the content for free. Then you buy cosmetics to pay for said "free" content. D2 charges you for both, its not a free to play game.
 
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F2P games usually give you most of the content for free. Then you buy cosmetics to pay for said "free" content. D2 charges you for both, its not a free to play game.
Being F2P doesn't mean being a charity and nobody forces you to play them or buy anything, if you don't like what they offer, don't play or buy their stuff.

And no, there are many types of F2P games and a ton of them don't give you most of the content for free. And when they do so it's because they have way less content, features, modes and production values than Destiny 2 with tons of content, feature and modes that most ofther ones don't have.

Destiny 2 also wasn't originally designed as F2P. It was a paid game with content expansions where the cosmetics where mostly unlockable by playing that eventually became F2P.
 
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Being F2P doesn't mean being a charity and nobody forces you to play them or buy anything, if you don't like what they offer, don't play or buy their stuff.

And no, there are many types of F2P games and a ton of them don't give you most of the content for free. And when they do so it's because they have way less content, features, modes and production values than Destiny 2.

Destiny 2 also wasn't originally designed as F2P. It was a paid game with content expansions where the cosmetics where mostly unlockable by playing that eventually became F2P.
I'm aware i played this game for 8 years. The core gameplay loops in D2 are locked behind a paywall. Its not a free to play game in my eyes.

The free portion of the game is a demo at best.

BTW, loads of true free to play games have similar or even better production values than that of D2.
 
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Just another stack of evidence that Parsons had co-conspirators inside of Sony to make this deal happen. Any amount of true due diligence would have stopped this acquisition in its tracks. Sony Japan needs to seriously investigate every step of this transaction with the best investigators money can buy.
 
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Update: Destiny 2 is right now top 3 in Steam's top seller games ranking behind Counter Strike 2 and PUBG.

I'm aware i played this game for 8 years. The core gameplay loops in D2 are locked behind a paywall. Its not a free to play game in my eyes.

The free portion of the game is a demo at best.

BTW, loads of true free to play games have similar or even better production values than that of D2.
It's F2P because it's free to play. And no, the core gameplay isn't locked behind a paywall. It has different PvE, PvP PvEvP modes and content to play for free. And then there's another one paywalled.

And no, other than Fortnite,, CoD Warzone -they have two of the largest production teams in gaming- and maybe LoL or maybe one or two more I may forget I highly doubt there's any other F2P with a higher production budget specially after 8 years of post launch content. It has been a fucking expensive game specially when counting both pre-launch and post-launch.

There are a handful top mobile games that spend a shit ton in marketing, but that isn't production.
 
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Update: Destiny 2 is right now top 3 in Steam's top seller games ranking behind Counter Strike 2 and PUBG.
That's the free version. There would be something very very wrong if the cosmetic store wasn't selling tons stuff in arguably the busiest week of the games year.

Edge of Fate is all the way down at 33.

Edit: More telling is its already out of the top ten most played (even at 24 hour highs).

General consensus within the community seems to be on the negative side with this release with ridiculous amounts of grind added and absurd difficultly at the higher tiers. I'll take a bet if you like that this game will be at franchise lows (CCU) within a month.
 
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That's the free version.
No, it's the whole game including both the free game and all its expansions, DLCs and IAPs.

The Steam Top Sellers ranking is sorted by revenue generated. If it only would count the free game then it wouldn't appear in the ranking.

Being top 3-top 5 in the top sellers ranking means this game is making more money than all the other many thousands of games in Steam. Which is great.

This mini-expansion got released July 15, the last day tracked in the current "Steam Weekly Global Top Sellers" ranking (week 29, 8-15) and already made there top 8 (top 7 if only counting games, because Steamdeck is above) in a single day.

Edit: More telling is its already out of the top ten most played (even at 24 hour highs).
Its 24h peak is top 15 (top 13 of the games if we don't count Source SDK Base 2007, Wallpaper Engine and Bongo Cat). Which means today has been one of the most played games in Steam despite being almost 8 years old. Which is great.

General consensus within the community
Your personal opinion isn't the general consensus within the community.
 
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No, it's the whole game including both the free game and all its expansions, DLCs and IAPs.

The Steam Top Sellers ranking is sorted by revenue generated. If it only would count the free game then it wouldn't appear in the ranking.

Being top 3-top 5 in the top sellers ranking means this game is making more money than all the other many thousands of games in Steam.
The free portion is the MTX revenue it generates. Hence why the expansions are listed separately.

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I don't see why Steam would count the same things 2 or 3 times. Even if you are correct, being number 39 for the latest expansion less than 7 days from launch, is terrible.

Your personal opinion isn't the general consensus within the community
That's why I didn't give my personal opinion.



 
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The free portion is the MTX revenue it generates. Hence why the expansions are listed separately.

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I don't see why Steam would count the same things 2 or 3 times. Even if you are correct, being number 39 for the latest expansion less than 7 days from launch, is terrible.
The DLCs/expansion aren't standalone products, they are add-ons subsets of a game. So when counting the revenue of a game it's obviously also included all its DLCs/expansions.

In some of the Steams lists and rankings, in addition to show the game SKUs they also show DLC SKUs. So you can see there the game as a whole (including all DLCs) and separatedly each DLCs individually.


That's why I didn't give my personal opinion.




Yes, the these professional anti-Sony haters and doomers hate Sony and complain about everything Bungie does since they were acquired by Sony.

And the recent reviews (last 30 days, not limited to this less tnan a week of the new content) are Mixed (55% positive out of 4089) plus all reviews are Mostly Positive (79% of 629753). Yep, the new reviews aren't great.
 
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I've looked at jumping back into this out of nostalgia for what it was when the first game was launched…

BUT when I'm looking at what I need to download I don't even UNDERSTAND what I'm looking at. There's seemingly countless expansions to buy… I don't know which ones include what content… what the base game even is now.. etc. New players are an impossibility when the content is only organized for those who've never stopped playing it.
 
Bungie fell into the trap Blizzard fell into with World of Warcraft. The game is bloated with too much items to collect and talents, making it nearly impossible catch up after returning from a break and impossible to get into for a new player. The easy content is too easy to be satisfying, while the hard content is too challenging for regular players. The endgame should only have one difficulty that leans more towards casual players than hardcore players. Additionally, the game needs a complete reset with nothing carrying over, aka Destiny 3.
 
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You can't compare this to The Final Shape. Most people used that as a jumping off point.

Bungie has a lot to do to get people back on board here and, by the sounds of it, they're dropping the ball still.

The director finally admitted that new player experience and onboarding sucks, so at least they're aware of the biggest pain point in their game.
Nothing make me want to start playing a game less than constantly hearing about them adding things to the new player experience. As a new player, i dont want more new player experiences. I want content that's gonna be relevant even after i've been a new player. And that's rarely the case.
 
BUT when I'm looking at what I need to download I don't even UNDERSTAND what I'm looking at. There's seemingly countless expansions to buy
I mean, not really?
There's the legacy collection, which is, well, legacy.
And the year of prophecy, which is the current and upcoming expansion.
 
Nothing make me want to start playing a game less than constantly hearing about them adding things to the new player experience. As a new player, i dont want more new player experiences. I want content that's gonna be relevant even after i've been a new player. And that's rarely the case.
That's fair but Destiny's new/returning player experience is abysmal. Probably one of the worst I've ever seen. One of the cool things about Destiny is there's content in between expansions that lead to the next expansion. The good thing with that is usually by the time you start the expansion, you hit the ground running.

The bad thing is when a new player or returning player starts the game with a new expansion, you're dropped right at the start of the expansion with no idea what led up to it. They're also always adding and changing currencies for activities, etc. It's bad.
 
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