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[Maledict]

Normally you would just get a whole new tier of items and your current stuff would be trashed. This allows your old exotics to be recommissioned for current tier. I much prefer this than having to go and get all new tier exotics.

Normally gear resets happen once every 2 years or so, not after 3 months.

Normally a gear reset offers upgrades to all items - we know the dark below only has a few new weapons, so the option is either upgrade or don't have any weapon options at max level. Bungie aren't doing us a favour here, they *have* to do this to cover the lack of content.

Oh, and normally upgrading wouldn't be determined by a random selection of gear options on Xur! I think that's one of the craziest bits about this - xur will only have a selection of exotics to upgrade every week, so if it's not on the list you are screwed. Betting Gallahorn and Icebreaker aren't on the list for a long time?

Seriously, more and more these design choices seem to be about papering over a shockingly tiny amount of content with extra grind and forced repetition. The latest patch actually improved things on that front, but these details seem to be a giant step backwards.

(The lack of options around Legendaries is also stupid - it means we will have far fewer weapons at max level than we currently do).

 

[Blue Ninja]

Haha, oh god, the clarification didn't help at all.

So glad I stopped playing.

What's wrong with that? I assumed like every other fucking MMO ever that all of our gear would be worthless by the time the next Raid rolls around, if they let us upgrade weapons that's great. It doesn't take that long to upgrade weapons as it is.

This resets the upgrades you already put into your Exotics, effectively telling players that already spent hours upon hours getting ascendant materials for them to fuck off.

 

[StUnNeR H2K]

The new exotics ARE higher level. This will bring old exotics in line with new exotics so that they don't become outclassed.

Well nice they are adding new ones, but this still seems like a confusing process to upgrade the old to the new. Already my least favorite part of the game is grinding out new weapon upgrades... Especially when you get 0 XP from the raid (some of the mobs at Atheon count, which is weird)

 

[JCizzle]

Lol fuck that. Grinding to such a degree is bullshit.

 

[Victory Red]

So will these upgraded exotics go past light level 30? Also what are Radiant Materials? Just saw new raid gear will break down into that.

Radiant Materials drop in the raid.

So after you level your new raid gear... you will continue to get ass loads of Radiant Materials with absolutely nothing to spend them on because your raid gear is maxed.

Makes sense.

 

[lastflowers]

So much for playing the game again once I got Internet

 

[Indrid Cold]

Wow this is f2p bullshit. Wtf Why isn't the final upgrade just unlocked? I'm not spending another 2-5 hrs per weapon/Armour ti re level them. I thought it was just gonna another type of shard(and glimmer) to bring them up to the new cap.

 

[BusterJol]

Not sure if there's a newer post, but DeeJ's Twitter says that Game Informer's description is accurate and people are reacting "wrong."

:/

Well that's certainly something a PR guy shouldn't say.

 

[Zyae]

Not sure if there's a newer post, but DeeJ's Twitter says that Game Informer's description is accurate and people are reacting "wrong."

:/

This guy is the worst. Such a condescending prick.

 

[Beefy]

So trade this is and you get it back for glimmer etc?

 

[Izuna]

And here I am fucking levelling up an exotic. Fucking idiots.

Thanks for posting this thread, I am fucking annoyed.

Not buying this DLC. I was attracted to the idea that the work I put in would be worthwhile, but screw this.

So I would have to relevel 5 Exotics to get back to the power I once had, or I can no longer progress.

 

[benicillin]

What's wrong with that? I assumed like every other fucking MMO ever that all of our gear would be worthless by the time the next Raid rolls around, if they let us upgrade weapons that's great. It doesn't take that long to upgrade weapons as it is.

I don't think a lot of people realize how quick an exotic can be leveled now. It doesn't require ascendant materials anymore so that isn't a gate, meaning you can reach the last node much faster, and there are 10 PvE and 5 PvP bounties to do each day. If you pop a telemetry for the gun and turn even half of them in at once, you can probably max level an exotic weapon in a week.

 

[Trace]

Normally gear resets happen once every 2 years or so, not after 3 months.

Normally a gear reset offers upgrades to all items - we know the dark below only has a few new weapons, so the option is either upgrade or don't have any weapon options at max level. Bungie aren't doing us a favour here, they *have* to do this to cover the lack of content.

Oh, and normally upgrading wouldn't be determined by a random selection of gear options on Xur! I think that's one of the craziest bits about this - xur will only have a selection of exotics to upgrade every week, so if it's not on the list you are screwed. Betting Gallahorn and Icebreaker aren't on the list for a long time?

Seriously, more and more these design choices seem to be about papering over a shockingly tiny amount of content with extra grind and forced repetition. The latest patch actually improved things on that front, but these details seem to be a giant step backwards.

(The lack of options around Legendaries is also stupid - it means we will have far fewer weapons at max level than we currently do).

You're making a lot of assumptions. They keep saying there's a whole bunch of new legendaries, new Raid weapons, we already know about 6+ new exotics, and from the picture they showed on the Destiny news page it looks like you can upgrade with a selection of most of your exotics, not just one or two.

 

[The Jackdog]

DeeJ @DeeJ_BNG
@deej_BNG Game Informer got it straight. Player reactions to some of the information is what is wrong.

You hear that guys?

Its you who is the wrong. Not the info, just your REACTIONS.

 

[Korosenai]

So basically I just wasted an exotic shard on Gjallarhorn? What the fuck.

So to get the updated Gjallarhorn, i'll have to upgrade my current one and then use another Exotic Shard? That's bullshit.

 

[Strider]

What's wrong with that? I assumed like every other fucking MMO ever that all of our gear would be worthless by the time the next Raid rolls around, if they let us upgrade weapons that's great. It doesn't take that long to upgrade weapons as it is.

In every other loot based game it doesnt happen this soon after launch though. Most people have just now finally upgraded their gear/weapons. Let them enjoy it at least for a little bit since the grind is so real. I'm ok with a little more grind to remax it but doing it all over again is bullshit.

So basically I just wasted an exotic shard on Gjallarhorn? What the fuck.

Yes you sure did. And you aren't alone.

 

[we.are.the.armada]

yo bungie, how about letting us skip the grind by spending some ass shards you know it's like you made those a fucking 90% drop in your only endgame content, it'd be a pro-player move IMO

 

[EloquentM]

I'd be okay with that too!! To be honest though I wasn't expecting to be able to just turn in my stuff and get the higher level version so in my head I'm still winning. I was fully expecting to have to level vanguard and buy a couple pieces and level those pieces, wait for xur to have a new piece I wanted and pay and upgrade, or have one drop from a nightfall.

At this point as far as neogaf majority and destiny are concerned anything they do is the wrong move.

That's because this is the wrong move. Some of us have a shit load of exotics and the only way they'll be viable again is to grind shards, glimmer, and experience. It's fucking bullshit when you've spent so much time and devotion to this game. It's a shitty solution. They could've just made another upgrade tier to each weapon and had us use glimmer and shards. Reexperiencing weapons is gonna take so fucking long and the dlc releases this weak. I've defended bungie on some questionable things but this is literally a case of the blind leading the blind. How can you actually defend this and call gaf whiny?

 

[purg3]

Radiant Materials drop in the raid.

So after you level your new raid gear... you will continue to get ass loads of Radiant Materials with absolutely nothing to spend them on because your raid gear is maxed.

Makes sense.

Also depending on how many of these new Radiant Mats drop per raid run, you are looking at a long ass time to upgrade your raid weapons and armor...And then yeah once you level it those shards are now probably useless. It's a great system.

 

[oti]

This kinda reminds me of that South Park episode with the Time Warner Cable guys, getting a kick out of annoying their customers as much as they can.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

Well that is bullshit. I was thinking of hopping on again (I downloaded half the patch but then had to stop because I wanted to play smash online and I havne't gone back to finish the download). I was excited to try out the improved Bad Juju and other exotics I had but it feels a little bullshit having to trade them in to get the patched versions. Like, why are there two versions of them? The patch was supposed to, you know, patch the exotics to make them feel more unique and fun but instead it adds another layer of grind to those that have already grinded out a few exotics. I was thinking at worst the upgrades would reset if you didn't do it all the way or something.

I think it's important to clarify that the balancing for exotics already happened in this week's update. So, to take the Bad Juju, for example, it now fires 8 bursts instead of 5, and so on for all the other weapons mentioned in the patch notes. That's already happened and works fine in-game, right now.

What's being discussed here is that the DLC that hits next week will include new exotic weapons and armor with higher damage/armor ratings and light levels. You will also have the opportunity to upgrade any current exotic gear to the base damage/armor/light levels of the new DLC exotics. Doing so will require an exotic shard and 7000 glimmer for each piece, and then you'll need to re-level the gear.

Now, this is way too expensive- both in terms of materials and time, but it's just a new upgrade path. It's not like the exotic gear you have now becomes obsolete if you don't upgrade it.

 

[Marcel]

Not sure if there's a newer post, but DeeJ's Twitter says that Game Informer's description is accurate and people are reacting "wrong."

:/

"It's the customer that's wrong"

Holy shit, DeeJ.

 

[Trace]

In every other loot based game it doesnt happen this soon after launch though. Most people have just now finally upgraded their gear/weapons. Let them enjoy it at least for a little bit since the grind is so real.

So have them either make new weapons as good as the old ones, thereby making the new weapons have no reason to be obtained, or delay the expansion so everyone can catch up? I don't like either option. Give me more stuff to get that's better than what I already have.

 

[Drencrom]

Not sure if there's a newer post, but DeeJ's Twitter says that Game Informer's description is accurate and people are reacting "wrong."

:/

This guy is fucking delusional

 

[Beefy]

"It's the customer that's wrong"

Holy shit, DeeJ.

He sounds like a twat, is he always like that?

 

[Diablohead]

better solution: give the weapon a new upgrade ring but make it require more exp then normal to unlock it.

thinking about it more, a full reset after levelling an item and using a shard is a rather lame way of doing this, they would be better only allowing the weapon to be traded in when maxed, and keeping its level and just resetting the final damage ring.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

yo Bungie. this is the point where I'm out. byyeeee...

 

[The Jackdog]

"It's the customer that's wrong"

Holy shit, DeeJ.

Thats right. You don't know whats fun. Bungie is gonna tell you whats fun.

 

[Korosenai]

Yes you sure did. And you aren't alone.

I dismantled a freaking Mythoclast for that shard.... seriously, what the fuck.

 

[BusterJol]

So basically I just wasted an exotic shard on Gjallarhorn? What the fuck.

So to get the updated Gjallarhorn, i'll have to upgrade my current one and then use another Exotic Shard? That's bullshit.

Why didn't they have the thinking process to roll out this update the day the expansion releases or to have the upgrade system available with the update? So stuff like this doesn't happen. Or at least tell people don't upgrade yet if you're getting the Dark Below.

 

[Zyae]

He sounds like a twat, is he always like that?

Yup


from reddit



http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheG...r_preview_of_the_dark_below/cmk6vmq?context=3

Game Informer reporting on this front is spot-on. There are some elements in the player response that amount to misinformation. That's a comment about the facts, rather than your visceral, emotional reactions to the information.

For example, you can upgrade more than one Exotic per week, assuming you have the coins and Xur is packing the gear you want to buff.

For another example, the new Legendaries are more powerful, and they will still crave your Ascendant materials for upgrades.

These new systems are completely elective. We're allowing all players in the world of Destiny to level up, and not fall behind. You'll have new options to acquire better gear. If you choose to bring along your favorite exotic items along for the new ride, there will be options for you to do so.

This is our first bid to expand the world in which you play, and provide solutions to prevent people or items from becoming obsolete. Like you, I'll be shopping for new Faction gear (long live Dead Orbit). The evolution of our Guardians will always be a moving target.

Here is more information on the finer points: http://www.bungie.net/7_The-Dark-Below-Preview/en/News/News?aid=12442

As always, we're listening.

 

[Izuna]

7000 Glimmer holy shit.

By the way guys, if you get any Exotic drop after this update in non DLC, you will have to spend 7000 glimmer before using it otherwise you will waste your time. Do you have any fucking idea how long that takes? Now this basically locks us out of using the stuff we collected unless we GRIND everything.

 

[benicillin]

You could also just...not re-upgrade your exotics and keep them at 300, since there is no one telling you you can't do that. This is just a way to be able to level your favorite exotics so you don't have to abandon them just because they are a lower tier.

 

[SURGEdude]

Not sure if there's a newer post, but DeeJ's Twitter says that Game Informer's description is accurate and people are reacting "wrong."

:/

Bungie really should be nicer to the people who supporting this game. I mean they are planning on trying to get you guys to buy DLC in the future.

 

[The Jackdog]

Yup


from reddit



http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheG...r_preview_of_the_dark_below/cmk6vmq?context=3

great pr. LEMME TELL YOU WHY YOURE DUMB AND WRONG, CUSTOMERS.

 

[Omni]

This is fucking stupid. And the fact that they couldn't tell us this with the last update is ridiculous.

Upgrading exotic weapons and armor is completed by interacting with the weekend vendor, Xur. When he arrives every Friday morning, he will now have a new option to upgrade one of your equipped exotic items. Each week, he’ll offer some (but not all) exotic items as being available to upgrade

I'm sure that'll be fun. Just gotta wait for dat RNG to decide which exotic I can upgade!

 

[Kill3r7]

It's the same as the reforging during Iron Banner. So, make sure not to upgrade your exotics any further until December 9th rolls around.

 

[Ardenyal]

$20 to reset the treadmill back to where you were weeks ago. Yeah, no.

 

[Blanquito]

Definitely not the best of news... Or even the best methods of rolling it out. Not happy, but still waiting to see the full details.

 

[Kade]

Bungie, unlike most I really enjoyed my time with your game. However, I gotta say you guys are absolutely clueless.

 

[Ryouji Gunblade]

This kinda reminds me of that South Park episode with the Time Warner Cable guys, getting a kick out of annoying their customers as much as they can.

Someone needs to make this a GIF.

 

[Trace]

$20 to reset the treadmill back to where you were weeks ago. Yeah, no.

Why? The new exotics start at 302 attack. You're not losing any progress by upgrading them aside from the perks which take a few days at most to upgrade.

 

[Izayoi]

"Pay us $20 and we will take away all of your progress for FREE!!!"

WOW WHAT A BARGAIN

 

[Foxix Von]

Okay, seriously. Fuck this game. I wish I hadn't purchased this shit digitally. I'm finally deleting this off my hard drive.

 

[The Lamonster]

"It's the customer that's wrong"

Holy shit, DeeJ.

I've been saying this since the launch of Destiny.

If you disagree with Bungie, you're wrong.

 

[PeteZaTheHutt]

Well, I was playing yesterday and the game downloaded the new updated patch which introduced some of these changes. I was checking my inventory to see if I could upgrade any of my gear when I noticed that an exotic chest piece for one of my characters all of a sudden required an exotic shard for the last upgrade. Up until that point, I had fully leveled up the chest piece with experience, but I hadn't yet upgraded with ascendant shards. So all of my experience was still intact, but I now need one exotic shard to complete it. This seems to be a bogus report to me.

EDIT: Actually, it turned out to be a little weirder than that. I forgot that my chest piece was already fully upgraded with experience AND shards. After yesterday's update, I was confused to notice that the chest piece was no longer fully upgraded and that the very last node required an exotic shard to complete the upgrade. The weird thing was that I was still level 29 which you shouldn't be if you aren't fully upgraded with your gear (ie- if you have no raid gear like I don't). So to experiment, I immediately dismantled one of my unwanted exotic weapons and used the exotic shard to fully upgrade my chest piece. Now, my experience bar is a little bit closer to 30, and the bar is longer than it was when I was level 29 before the patch.

TL;DR - It seems like the information in this report is inaccurate.

 

[darkwing]

"Pay us $20 and we will take away all of your progress for FREE!!!"

WOW WHAT A BARGAIN

it's not a forced choice

 

[Glass Shark]

Bungie: "We must protect this game's non-existent player economy!"

 

[Blue Ninja]

Thats right. You don't know whats fun. Bungie is gonna tell you whats fun.

Well, they do make the games they want to play.

 

[FStop7]

DeeJ is like the embodiment of all of Destiny's problems, topped with an arrogant and condescending cherry.