Destiny: Exotic weapons fixed.... and then broken.

Bungie really has no idea what they're doing do they? Being able to bring my exotic gear into the next gear tier was a great idea since it offset some of the sting of all the legendary gear becoming obsolete. Having to slowly re-buy and re-level all those exotic pieces completely ruins that. Just dumb.
 
cakely said:
I sort of wish I hadn't read the reactions in this thread. I'm not sure people understand what's going on here.

The new expansion has +10 magic swords in it. Your current sword is +5. Rather than tossing your +5 sword in the trash, there's an option to upgrade it to +10. Get it?
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The game's been out 3 months. Completely rendering a weapon useless and having to rely on RNG all over again would have been a colossal failure.

This is the second worse scenario. They could have just given us a longer upgrade tree to get the new weapons up to snuff. That way we could still use the weapons (with their Exotic perks) to gain the extra XP with them necessary.
 
The Lamonster said:
Wrong. The alternative is simply letting us commit one additional Exotic Shard to our vanilla exotics in order to bring them up to date with the latest expansion.

Instead we're having to do that AND losing all XP & material progress made on the piece. I'd almost rather have microtransactions than this hollow player retention bullshit.
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Why would they instantly allow you to full damage output with a reforged exotic?

I already have a shard from breaking down an exotic last night. Why would I expect to have my mythoclast at 373 or whatever right on the 9th?

I continued to be amazed that people had no clue what they were getting themselves into with a loot / MMO style system such as destiny. There's going to always be a grind in these games.

As far as I'm concerned this isn't bad. Reforging a weapon sounds like it doesn't reset the damage you leveled, but allows you to increase the cap. The trade off is having to work through the attachment perks again. That's the give and take, and it doesn't sound unreasonable.

Now if they started your exotic back at 270dmg... OK. But from what I'm reading that's not the case.
 
firehawk12 said:
Well, one is that people already wasted exotic shards upgrading a gun that they need to reset later anyway.
Two is that resetting means losing the perks, which is the only reason why all exotics outside of the Icebreaker are useful.
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One is an issue since anyone spendings exotic shards should get them back before the dlc is out.

Two isn't an issue since its starting at 302 damage and it's normally not bad to level up the exotics. The perks are important to get but the upgrade resetting them makes sense since its a new version of the exotic.
 
Trace said:
Your old exotics went from 260 to 300. Once you've given them to xur and the progress is reset they start at 302 attack. You are losing nothing except for the perks and in exchange you get to use your favorite exotic for a new raid. Seems like a win-win to me.
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Yeah the article gave me the impression it was going back to the old exotic 260 attack or whatever it was. This is good.

Still though they should have told us this when the expansion was introduced. So people could hold off upgrading things.
 
... The fuck? Ugh, I've already spent a ton of time upgrading a ton of my exotics. I'm only missing four of them in the entire game. Not looking forward to grinding them out again, that isn't cool at all.
 
Festwill said:
Upgrading old items to make them relevant to new content is cool by me. Telling players they can stick the grinding they did to upgrade current version of item up their butt is kind of insulting though. And that guy's tweet telling people how they should feel is downright infuriating.
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This is how I feel. I actually thought deej got hacked at first :/
 
Zyae said:
no. Theres an option to throw away your +5 sword, get a +0 one and spend all that time leveling it up to +10. Get it?


You should work for Bungie with that condescending attitude.
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Thanks for the jab, but the new sword you get will be +6, not +0, and then you'll level it up to +10.

I'm actually trying to be helpful here.
 
TyrantII said:
Why would they instantly allow you to full damage output with a reforged exotic?

I already have a shard from breaking down an exotic last night. Why would I expect to have my mythoclast at 373 or whatever right on the 9th?

I continued to be amazed that people had no clue what they were getting themselves into with a loot / MMO style system such as destiny. There's going to always be a grind in these games.

As far as I'm concerned this isn't bad. Reforging a weapon sounds like it doesn't reset the damage you leveled, but allows you to increase the cap. The trade off is having to work through the attachment perks again. That's the give and take, and it doesn't sound unreasonable.

Now if they started your exotic back at 270dmg... OK. But from what I'm reading that's not the case.
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You get it, other people don't seem to. If you didn't have to reset anything, people would be maxed out the day the expansion drops and complaining where the content was. It's thin enough as it is, the grind is there to give you something to do.
 
I would be an idiot to keep playing. Destiny gunplay is fun, but seriously this whole system is being handled so bad. If I continue for being able to play the Nightfall missions, it's like what Angry Joe said, it's Stockholm syndrome.

Destiny will go down in personal history for being the biggest scam on time I ever let myself go through.
 
So if I got a Suros Regime a couple days ago what do I do? Do I level it up tonight or do I have to wait?

I won't pretend to know as much about game design as Bungie but this seems like a really convoluted way to go. Why couldn't you find a device that simply creates another damage node on your weapon? Why all this back and forth with weapon exchanges, glimmer, and two fucking exotic shards?!?

And holy shit what are we getting for all that ascendant energy we wasted?
 
You can still keep your current Exotics and not upgrade them.

They won't be that great with the new higher level content but them's the breaks.

Complaining that you have to put in the work to get upgraded gear is pretty stupid.
 
This is bullcrap.

Why can't they just add another node that requires a shard and if it's that important, the 7k glimmer.

Releveling an exotic oh my god, seriously?
 
There's like 10+ years of history of modern MMOs that practically spit out a list on "shit not to do" when it comes to grinding. And this damn game is not even an MMO but manages to reach asian MMO levels of grinding. But anyway, all this bandaid is rooted in the fact that the game does not have enough content.(And it won't until Destiny 2, if even then.)
 
Remember when Blizzard added Artifacts to Heroes of the Storm to a similar public outcry, and then quickly backpedaled the change due to the negative player feedback?


yeah...unfortunately Bungie is no Blizzard.
 
Yeah I feel like they should have justed added another node or nodes to the exotic tree to "ascend" them to higher attack values.
 
First I'm hearing of this upgrade option, but I don't see a problem. I have only a couple of Exotics I'd use for PvE (where the increase in damage would be useful). Everything else is a PvP gun (where damage means nothing). A lot of my Exotics aren't even maxed out for this reason.

This kind of just tells me that I can get to 31/32 quicker. Gjallarhorn and Icebreaker are the only PvE exotics I use, and the Vex got a free damage boost.
 
cakely said:
I sort of wish I hadn't read the reactions in this thread. I'm not sure people understand what's going on here.

The new expansion has +10 magic swords in it. Your current sword is +5. Rather than tossing your +5 sword in the trash, there's an option to upgrade it to +10. Get it?
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There's no difference between a standard sword and a +5 sword. As a matter of fact the standard sword will reach +10 faster and more cheaply. Get it?
 
Victory Red said:
Except, the "perks" are the only thing that make these guns Exotic. Thorn, Gallarjorn, Bad JuJu are all weapons that have very uniquer perks to them. In some cases the weapon is rendered useless without this perk.
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As someone who has 8 of them fully upgraded I completely understand where you are coming from. However, I'm not sure how else they could have done this. Unless you expected Bungie to hand us fully upgraded higher level cap guns and armor for simply trading in 1 exotic shard.

Also, it seems like if you intend to play lot of PvE, no upgrade is necessary.
 
yodathesoda said:
You can still keep your current Exotics and not upgrade them.

They won't be that great with the new higher level content but them's the breaks.

Complaining that you have to put in the work to get upgraded gear is pretty stupid.
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The point is, my upgraded Vex and my spare, unupgraded Vex, can both be put through this reset system. That's my point.

I did a 15 bounties yesterday to level up a Rocket Launcher. All that time was wasted, as was the Exotic Shared I put into Truth. If I hadn't done the full upgrade I would have used like 3 of them yesterday, but thankfully I got fuck all from the Hard raid twice.
 
Dyno said:
So if I got a Suros Regime a couple days ago what do I do? Do I level it up tonight or do I have to wait?

I won't pretend to know as much about game design as Bungie but this seems like a really convoluted way to go. Why couldn't you find a device that simply creates another damage node on your weapon? Why all this back and forth with weapon exchanges, glimmer, and two fucking exotic shards?!?

And holy shit what are we getting for all that ascendant energy we wasted?
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Doesn't matter what you do with it. Xur will eventually sell the "new" version of the Suros. When that happens, only Bungie knows.
 
cakely said:
Thanks for the jab, but the new sword you get will be +6, not +0, and then you'll level it up to +10.

I'm actually trying to be helpful here.
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But really it'd be like trading your +5 with gem augments for a +6 with no augments and having to grind out your augments again along with the chance to get it to +10. The way some games work around that is instead of you restarting a sword it continues on the path. Like FFXIV, you have your Relic that upgrades in a straight path to Zenith to Novus and so on, each being a "+1". At no point is your sword reduced in power or ability, you don't lose you extra abilities or things you worked to add, you just get the option to grind for even more numbers for it. From this though, you get a slightly higher number for your fully decked out sword but lose it's main effects and get told to grind out again for your regen or fire damage.

MMOs that would go this route would say "your +5 sword of fighting isn't good anymore, what you want is this new sword of smashing from this new dungeon" Then you "throw away" your +5 sword to get a new +0 sword of a different type which is now the "end game ready" weapon.
 
TyrantII said:
Why would they instantly allow you to full damage output with a reforged exotic?

I already have a shard from breaking down an exotic last night. Why would I expect to have my mythoclast at 373 or whatever right on the 9th?

I continued to be amazed that people had no clue what they were getting themselves into with a loot / MMO style system such as destiny. There's going to always be a grind in these games.

As far as I'm concerned this isn't bad. Reforging a weapon sounds like it doesn't reset the damage you leveled, but allows you to increase the cap. The trade off is having to work through the attachment perks again. That's the give and take, and it doesn't sound unreasonable.

Now if they started your exotic back at 270dmg... OK. But from what I'm reading that's not the case.
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You wouldn't. You'd have a new, empty node on your vanilla exotic and you'd need to fill it up with XP and then spend a shard to complete it.

But hey, I'm just a guy. Not a game designer at Bungie, unfortunately.
 
Trace said:
You get it, other people don't seem to. If you didn't have to reset anything, people would be maxed out the day the expansion drops and complaining where the content was. It's thin enough as it is, the grind is there to give you something to do.
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I'm totally new to MMOs. I had no idea that game companies make games worse in order to make up for lack of content. That's my bad I guess.



Dyno said:
So if I got a Suros Regime a couple days ago what do I do? Do I level it up tonight or do I have to wait?
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Well, here's the thing. Even if you waited to upgrade it, you have no idea when Xur will sell the upgrade for the gun. You could be waiting for months for Xur to allow you to upgrade the Suros.
 
This is really not a big deal. Honestly, how many other games raise the level cap and then allow you to reforge your old weapons to be useful at the new level cap? I think it's a fair tradeoff. Then again, I have 3 characters so I can easily level up weapons just by doing the bounties on all 3.
 
Ovek said:
Wait I have to level up all my exotics again and buy shitty exotic shards from Xur?!?

Nope.
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"With that said, the process of upgrading exotic items is now faster, and does not require ascendant materials."

It's not even a problem, seriously. You spend 14 strange coins for two shards and 7000 glimmer, one for the reroll to 302, and then one to get it completely maxed. This is not a lot of effort.
 
Hahahaha, what a joke.

I was actually going to buy the DLC, and get back into Destiny, but not anymore. I'm done.

Fuck this game.
 
FinFan said:
It should be, turn it in and it's reset or give Xur 7000g and keep your progress.
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But see, their development leaders had a meeting and decided by not keeping your progress, you will play their game more and they don't have to do any extra development on the game to accomplish that. Everyone wins!
 
But seriously, why do the weapons have to reset when you upgrade them? What sense does that make? What kind of reasoning is there for that?
 
Wow. Just started trying to attempt yo get back into the game and now I have to reset my Invective? Jeez...they make it hard man.
 
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