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[veritassin]

Different parts of my posts are referencing different aspects of multiple conversations, so it's easy to misunderstand if you haven't followed them all along. My statements about consumers seeking information are in reference to some claims that Bungie should be held accountable for early statements referencing goals and that if those goals weren't met, it must have be an intentional lie. My stance is that the onus is on the consumer to seek out the information that is most recently available. If there is a specific aspect of information that isn't being expressed/released after so much time has passed, then the consumers thought process should be to seek a confirmation or denial of that information with the reasonable expectation that it may have changed in the meantime considering it hasn't been mentioned again. After that, having a reasonable reaction to the new info.

My stance has never been that people can't or shouldn't be disappointed. That's perfectly reasonable. My stance is that the reaction to that disappointment should be relative to development capabilities and a general understanding that sometimes things change or get cut for reasons that don't have bad intent. Not everything is a nebulous plot to trick consumers out of more money.

It is an intentional lie if Bungie isn't being forthcoming with that information. That's what we're talking about here. How can the consumer seek out that information if it isn't being made available?

I think consumers are entitled to whatever level of disappointment that they feel. "Understanding" that things get cut and all that isn't the consumer's responsibility. It's the developer's responsibility not to over-promise and if they did over-promise to come out and say that they did.

If they aren't being forthcoming with the information that they did over-promise, then they are indeed intentionally misleading people plain and simple.

 

[Flipyap]

As someone who has followed this game religiously, I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Bungie has been hammering this as an action game for forever and a year. After the strike gameplay reveal, urk came in here talking about the different modes, and we haven't even seen all of Old Russia yet (several areas were blocked off). Maybe being well-versed in Bungie's games has helped me reasonably set my expectations better than most, but from what I've seen, Bungie is not coming up short in delivering on its promises. It's great that people have high expectations and imaginations of incredible experiences an order of magnitude higher in scale, but it's not Bungie's fault for not delivering on those expectations. In fact, I seem to recall urk or someone particularly downplaying the term "open world" in reference to Destiny.

When did I say that it's not an action game? Having guns in the game says nothing about its structure.
Urk came in here talking about the different modes a month before E3 2014, and nothing about him saying that he spends most of his time in "patrol mode" contradicts the assumption that open world exploration would be the focus of the game.

Not coming up short in delivering on its promises? This was supposed to be a world so unpredictable, that even Bungie doesn't know what's going to happen in it. It was supposed to be social and every time you launched it, you were supposed to get to experience something new.
Instead we get an empty world where everything always spawns and stays in the same place, where you're going to be repeating MMOish fetch quests for hours before running into a public event that lets you shoot the same motionless target with a few other people, and once that's done, the most profound social experience you'll have with them is limited to pressing the dance button at the same time.

Destiny is enjoyable, but it's nothing like the original pitch.

 

[cripterion]

As I said, conversations have threads, if you only mean to respond to a part of a comment you should quote that part only or it can cause legitimate confusion.

Surely you understand that?

I did understand what you said and still don't see where my lack of clarity implied that I have an issue with my game preorder.

Surely you understand that?

 

[Z3M0G]

Old?

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2014/07/28/was-destinys-full-game-content-discovered

Destiny's full game content list may have been discovered according to reports on Reddit. The posters go out of their way to point out that the data is likely out-of-date and is in no way confirmed, but we can still take a look and dream, can't we?

First off, eleven multiplayer-only Crucible maps were leaked, all of which can be played on any of the five game modes. The rumored maps are below, though it's unclear if all of them will be in the full game at release or if they are DLC.

Earth
Twilight Gap
Rusted Lands
Exodus Blue

Moon
First Light
The Anomaly

Mars
Bastion
Firebase Delphi
Blind Watch

Venus
Asylum
Shores of Time

Mercury
The Burning Shrine

There's also five different game modes listed: Clash, Skirmish, Rumble, Control, and Salvage, with a number of game types within those modes. Think of it as Deathmatch as a game mode and Free-For-All as the game type.
Destiny Beta: Moon - Crucible
11:49

It also appears there will be 32 story missions, with 23 of them being known at this time. They're split between the level progression of planets, moving from Earth to the Moon, then The Reef (Asteroid Belt) to Venus, and finally Mars.

There may be 15 unique strike missions, spread across Nightfall, Normal, and Vanguard, with multiple missions repeating at higher level increments to fill out 23 total strike missions.

For more specific information on rumored story missions and strikes, check out the Destiny IGN Wiki. For more on Destiny in general, check out our extensive month-long coverage of Destiny from IGN First.

Again, most of this is pure speculation and has yet to be confirmed by Bungie, but what do you think of the content so far? Is there enough to keep you entertained past the first month of release?

 

[Trickster]

Haha wow, this has turned into some big gripe about how the skybox isn't explorable, and that they're lying tricksters that planned to get us interested in a game that isn't big enough.

I spent an hour and a half exploring in the moon, and there were walled off areas you couldn't go. Deej says "Moon is our smallest destination", so I'm sure there will be plenty of other places to explore.

They also said they will have "ongoing activities and events" to keep providing things to do.

They aren't trying to under deliver here. There will be plenty to do. We've only seen a small piece of what will be there in the full game.

Yeah, how dumb are we for pointing out that Bungie lied about their game and thinking that's a bad thing that should be addressed

 

[Jest Chillin]

Should Bungie expect me to not feel lied to if they tell us that you can openly explore out into the horizon when you cannot in the final game? Should they expect me to simply rationalize it was a mistake or something that didn't pan out? Should they expect me not to expect some sort of retraction?

The only thing I think Bungie should expect of an interested consumer is to consume the information that is provided by them through various outlets and pose reasonable questions when they arise. As a fellow consumer who would like to be able to have more products that I enjoy created in the future, I expect other consumers to react reasonably to information, whether that be positive or negative. Hyperbole in either direction does no one (consumer or company) any good.

You don't have to rationalize it but you also don't have to seek to place blame either. Your expectations weren't met but that doesn't mean that someone needs to be shit on for that.

 

[McLovin]

This is my only concern, that they scaled back the game simply to sell it to us later as DLC.

I doubt they would do that. I mean the earth stage was actually bigger then what we got in the beta. Some areas were blocked off. Have the number of planets/moons been confirmed?

 

[antibolo]

Wait, what's the point? Aren't all the other planets going to be super boring? Seeing old russian territory was neat, I was hoping to see more desolated Earth. I don't give a fuck about the fictional settings of other planets!

 

[Karl Hawk]

Old?

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2014/07/28/was-destinys-full-game-content-discovered

Again, the datamined info are incomplete in some categories due to it was datamined to an incomplete build.

 

[MMaRsu]

Old?

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2014/07/28/was-destinys-full-game-content-discovered

Yes old and is that even confirmed?

 

[MMaRsu]

Yeah, how dumb are we for pointing out that Bungie lied about their game and thinking that's a bad thing that should be addressed

Hey man its just a skybox no big deal

 

[Fehyd]

Let's try to compare what's comparable.

Its pretty comparable. People were ecstatic and thought that the game took place primarily in one setting. We ended up with several. Here, we know there are several explorable settings but that's not enough. But sure, pretend it isn't.

 

[Karl Hawk]

Yes old and is that even confirmed?

Until Bungie says anything about this, it's unconfirmed until proven otherwise. I

 

[ItsAllGoodInMyHood]

You barely scratched the surface, and it seems like some folks had fun with what was there.

Had tons of fun! To be honest, I'm hoping you guys gonna support PVE with new stuff, so I can hop in from Crucible from time to time and find new/fresh events etc.

Bring on the retail - you got my vote!

 

[Two Words]

The only thing I think Bungie should expect of an interested consumer is to consume the information that is provided by them through various outlets and pose reasonable questions when they arise. As a fellow consumer who would like to be able to have more products that I enjoy created in the future, I expect other consumers to react reasonably to information, whether that be positive or negative. Hyperbole in either direction does no one (consumer or company) any good.

You don't have to rationalize it but you also don't have to seek to place blame either. Your expectations weren't met but that doesn't mean that someone needs to be shit on for that.

So you're answer is essentially "No they shouldn't feel that you've been lied to because you are obviously interested in the game enough to find out the truth elsewhere.

 

[Zakalwe]

I did understand what you said and still don't see where my lack of clarity implied that I have an issue with my game preorder.

Surely you understand that?

I'm a actually a little amazed you've kept responding instead of just admitting your lack of quote precision caused a misunderstanding.

It's properly apparent if you read the conversation thread.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Hey man its just a skybox no big deal

The point is that they said it wasn't.

 

[Hey_Blinkin]

I wonder if we'll ever get to a point where developers and publishers will be held accountable for the things they say or footage they show that aren't representative of the final product. I understand that things change, but I think it should be on the companies to make it clear to consumers those changes before the game ships.

This is starting to remind me of the graphics downgrade fiasco with Watch Dogs. While you could place some blame on the people who pre-ordered or bought day one, I don't think people should be punished for trusting a company to be honest. I would love nothing more than for Bungie to come out and squash all the fears of people questioning the scale of the game. I would love for the beta to be a tiny slice of all the game has to offer but I have my doubts.

Hopefully this turns out to be a massive, sprawling, beautiful universe with tons of things to do and see and this whole thread will have been a massive waste of time.

 

[cripterion]

Its pretty comparable. People were ecstatic and thought that the game took place primarily in one setting. We ended up with several. Here, we know there are several explorable settings but that's not enough. But sure, pretend it isn't.

Well I say that cause I don't really think MGS4 which is heavily story based compares to Destiny.

 

[Jest Chillin]

It is an intentional lie if Bungie isn't being forthcoming with that information. That's what we're talking about here. How can the consumer seek out that information if it isn't being made available?

I think consumers are entitled to whatever level of disappointment that they feel. "Understanding" that things get cut and all that isn't the consumer's responsibility. It's the developer's responsibility not to over-promise and if they did over-promise to come out and say that they did.

If they aren't being forthcoming with the information that they did over-promise, then they are indeed intentionally misleading people plain and simple.

The information we're talking about was clearly expressed as a hopeful goal sometime in the future.

"So all of this is playable space that we hope to one day get to send you to. It is all real geometry, you could go there, we could go there right now."

He then throws a grenade into the space he's pointing at to demonstrate that it is technically "playable space" but at no point does he promise that there will be content there at launch.

 

[ikariX]

My interest is slowly declining.

 

[cripterion]

I'm a actually a little amazed you've kept responding instead of just admitting your lack of quote precision caused a misunderstanding.

It's properly apparent if you read the conversation thread.

Ok, so for clarification's sake, I didn't think Bungie owed me anything but even if you think I did based on my reply, you guys jumped at my throat like I had an issue paying for my preorder, I do not.

 

[ItsAllGoodInMyHood]

I love how many of you state, that this blows cause Earth has only Old Russia. Guys, you haven't even explored Old Russia in 100% (Kings Watch wan't available, same for Bunker) and I'm pretty sure that Earth has a lot more to offer in terms of end game.

To me Destiny is an incarnation of Halo, Star Wars, Dune mixed with Guild Wars 2. That's right, mixed.

Hah, The Crucible is no place for mercy.

 

[HiredN00bs]

When did I say that it's not an action game? Having guns in the game says nothing about its structure.
Urk came in here talking about the different modes a month before E3 2014, and nothing about him saying that he spends most of his time in "patrol mode" contradicts the assumption that open world exploration would be the focus of the game.

Not coming up short in delivering on its promises? This was supposed to be a world so unpredictable, that even Bungie doesn't know what's going to happen in it. It was supposed to be social and every time you launched it, you were supposed to get to experience something new.
Instead we get an empty world where everything always spawns and stays in the same place, where you're going to be repeating MMOish fetch quests for hours before running into a public event that lets you shoot the same motionless target with a few other people, and once that's done, the most profound social experience you'll have with them is limited to pressing the dance button at the same time.

Destiny is enjoyable, but it's nothing like the original pitch.

But where does this assumption about it being an open-world game come from? I don't think Bungie's ever pitched it as an open-world game. I anticipate there are more metagame mechanics that have not yet been revealed that are relevant to the comments made about social activities and world persistence. Bungie did not play its entire hand in the beta; remember that it was part show, part test.

I love how many of you state, that this blows cause Earth has only Old Russia. Guys, you haven't even explored Old Russia in 100% (Kings Watch wan't available, same for Bunker) and I'm pretty sure that Earth has a lot more to offer in terms of end game.

To me Destiny is an incarnation of Halo, Star Wars, Dune mixed with Guild Wars 2. That's right, mixed.

Hah, The Crucible is no place for mercy.

I think it's also part Animal Crossing:

Lord Saladin is in town today! I need to get the Exotic Machine Gun!

 

[Jest Chillin]

So you're answer is essentially "No they shouldn't feel that you've been lied to because you are obviously interested in the game enough to find out the truth elsewhere.

What do you mean find out the truth "elsewhere?" All of the information is originating from Bungie it's just being delivered through as many different avenues as possible to reach as many people as possible. If they only delivered information directly through their site, people would say they're not doing enough. If they waited for E3 to give out info, then they'd not only have way too much information to try to relay at once but people would be even more annoyed about lack of information and transparency. And it's not reasonable for Bungie to think that people who aren't interested in the game should be seeking information either.

I don't think it's unreasonable at all for interested consumers to seek out information about a product in product related publications and news outlets.

 

[MMaRsu]

Oh, hello.

Beta was water wings. Level 8 is nothing. You barely scratched the surface, and it seems like some folks had fun with what was there.

If you did, good news. More soon.

Oh believe me I had a shitton of fun in the Alpha AND Beta. The game is pretty amazing. I just want more more more and I want yo know if i can play this game for months upon end without getting bored.

 

[Perfect Cha0s]

<snip>
The problem is that to experience all that requires a constant outlay of money by the player and waiting the time for the content to be delivered. The $60 released game just won't live up to the promise. Unless you are a person that buys every game that even slightly interests you, the wise move to make now is to wait and see how the game turns out before committing. That is especially true given the other games coming out this fall.

I disagree, although I think that is a matter of how we individually approach games. Your posts suggests to me that you approach games in a way that you buy it, pop it in, and it's then your main game for a week or two until you finish the content provided. From that perspective, I can see why you would think Destiny isn't worth your money.

In Destiny, though, I don't think Bungie is trying to make a game that you pick up, play through, and then put back down until you want to "go through it again." If that in itself is enough to disinterest you, fair enough, but I don't think it's entirely fair to hold it to Bungie as though it's some great failing. The game is less "A --> B" and more " A->B ->Long-term community/multiplayer-focused activities"

 

[Homeboyd]

So you're answer is essentially "No they shouldn't feel that you've been lied to because you are obviously interested in the game enough to find out the truth elsewhere.

My God man. You have like 50 posts in this thread alone complaining about being lied to. We get it. You were lied to. You are mad. You want them to make it right so you're not mad anymore.

Got it.

 

[Xplatformer]

I dont mind as long as the later expansions involve taking back another city.

This.


I have no doubt that I'll get plenty of value from my initial $90 investment. Just like LOTRO (I know...Destiny isn't an MMO) I started to follow Destiny with the understanding of what type of game it truly was/is.

I wish there was in ship space flight right now, but I'll pay for it as DLC if Bungie offers it.
I wish there was space combat when the game releases, but I'll pay for it if Bungie releases it later as DLC.
I wish wish New York, London, Paris, Egypt...I wish all those wreaked cities were in the initial release, but I'll happily pay for them as DLC if they are release.
I wish we could fight on the alien's homeworld at release, but I'll be happy to pay for that as DLC.

Yes, I wish all of those things were in the initial release. Unfortunately, I know they won't be.

Am I disappointed? A little.
Right now Destiny is still trending to be my game of the year based on my time with the alpha and the beta. It's hitting my bullet points even if it's not mmo grand initially.

Playing through Old Chicago's swamps would be a nice change though.

It's going to be glorious.

 

[cripterion]

I love how many of you state, that this blows cause Earth has only Old Russia. Guys, you haven't even explored Old Russia in 100% (Kings Watch wan't available, same for Bunker) and I'm pretty sure that Earth has a lot more to offer in terms of end game.

To me Destiny is an incarnation of Halo, Star Wars, Dune mixed with Guild Wars 2. That's right, mixed.

Hah, The Crucible is no place for mercy.

We've seen those areas through glitches. They aren't really big as to be a factor imo.
Playing through Old Chicago's swamps would be a nice change though.

 

[crappybannedjunior999999]

Yeah, how dumb are we for pointing out that Bungie lied about their game and thinking that's a bad thing that should be addressed.

Yeah. But least you have something better to bitch about now than the dancing now. We hear you. Bungie are liars. Don't buy the game. Or you could do the rational thing and wait until they announce what they want to announce on their terms.

You must have been apoplectic in the wait for Titanfall to release. For god's sake we didn't even hear about the final resolution or the number of maps until RIGHT before it came out. I don't remember anyone reacting to this degree.

 

[Assanova]

Just canceled my pre order until more info is released.

 

[Two Words]

My God man. You have like 50 posts in this thread alone complaining about being lied to. We get it. You were lied to. You are mad. You want them to make it right so you're not mad anymore.

Got it.

Good job ignoring the fact that I am being replied to about how I feel about it. But pretending I'm just ranting a one-way monologue makes it easier to make your snarky post.

 

[Zakalwe]

Ok, so for clarification's sake, I didn't think Bungie owed me anything but even if you think I did based on my reply, you guys jumped at my throat like I had an issue paying for my preorder, I do not.

Here you go:

Wanting to know what you're paying for is entitlement now?

Sure. As you can't even buy the game yet, they don't owe you shit.

My PSN credit says otherwise. The Bungie defense force is getting ugly in here.

Well, to be fair, you chose to pruchase based on the information you had. No one forced you.
.

See how leaving the "don't owe you shit" part coupled with "Bungie defense force" caused the confusion?

Your edit didn't come until after I posted, by the way.

 

[Trickster]

The information we're talking about was clearly expressed as a hopeful goal sometime in the future.

"So all of this is playable space that we hope to one day get to send you to. It is all real geometry, you could go there, we could go there right now."

He then throws a grenade into the space he's pointing at to demonstrate that it is technically "playable space" but at no point does he promise that there will be content there at launch.

Wow dude, seriously? That's some hardcore defending

"hey guys, here's this huge area that I could go to right now if I wanted to, but we have a schedule to keep"

Geez why would this give me the idea that it's probably gonna be in the game at launch

 

[Fehyd]

worth noting this quote as well

I would temper your expectations on this quote as it is nebulous in its definition. It's hard to compare our spaces to Reach because our game is an ever-expanding world where one day the world you are discovering may be one size but the next you realize that there are more areas that open up. Our worlds are far more fungable than what you see at first sight. what may be one size day one may be different day 100. Reach was very large in its perception due to levels like New Alexandria which mainly consisted of empty fly-able space, it's hard to compare the two. In short, comparing the two is tricky due to their unique attributes. My advice is to not worry about the size in any game, as size can be deceiving compared to how much enjoyment you get out of a space.
Originally Posted by Dan Miller
How big is Destiny? I don't know. I'm unsure if I've seen it all yet, let alone am able to compare. There are many places you won't be able to go to or see until further progression through activities. Also- this is the Internet, words spoken here tend to become promises and get blown out of proportion.
Originally Posted by urk
Miller jumped in below, but I know where this comes from and suppose it's worth clarifying. At some point one of the artists made the rough size comparison for a team meeting to show off just how much stuff we were making at our quality bar. It's exciting, but not really something I'd want to throw out their for public consumption (whoops!) because it's hard to grok. It's fuzzy math.
The spaces are big, and they're designed not just to give you room to roam, but to give you lots of interesting stuff to do. We have a lot of work to do to show them off in the right way this year. That said, I didn't really sink in for me until I just ran around and soaked it all in with my own virtual feets and eyeballs.

It would seem to lean towards upgrades to zones, ie. adding extra areas as the game progresses.

 

[Homeboyd]

Good job ignoring the fact that I am being replied to about how I feel about it. But pretending I'm just ranting a one-way monologue makes it easier to make your snarky post.

Yeah people are responding to you... you're correct. Because you have ~10 posts on every page... It's just a matter of time before someone responds to one of them. It isn't a discussion at this point. What is there possibly left for you to say that you haven't said?

Just get it all out in one post. Tell everyone truly how angry you are about being lied to.

 

[wanders]

We can still be skeptical about the amount of landmass and the fact they claimed much grander scale before the alpha and beta came out. The fact is that what we have played in Old Russia and The Moon aren't that huge. That underground tunnel system in the moon feels pretty big but if you've run through it twice and that's all there is on the moon to explore that would suck.

I think it's last gen holding them back, and the fact they want the game to play the same on every platform. A nice gesture to 360 and ps3 players but sadly their original vision is something that's probably been shoved to Destiny2.

I dont think last gen is holding them back in terms of large scale maps.

See Xenoblade Chronicles X

 

[Sketchbag]

After playing the BETA, you kind of get the sense that Destiny isn't like other normal MMOs. This one's considerably smaller with less things to do.

 

[crappybannedjunior999999]

Good job ignoring the fact that I am being replied to about how I feel about it. But pretending I'm just ranting a one-way monologue makes it easier to make your snarky post.

You keep being replied to because you are being obtuse, passive-aggresive and argumentative. No need to respond here unless you really feel the need to. However, I agree with the guy. Don't you have a pre-order somewhere to cancel? An online petition to tweak, perhaps?

 

[ItsAllGoodInMyHood]

We've seen those areas through glitches. They aren't really big as to be a factor imo.
Playing through Old Chicago's swamps would be a nice change though.

Has anyone from Bungie/urk said that we won't ever visit any of these places? Guys, wait for release, play it, then judge please.

 

[Orayn]

I dont think last gen is holding them back in terms of large scale maps.

See Xenoblade Chronicles and Xenoblade Chronicles X

Eh, it really depends on the other gameplay details. Xenoblade does have huge maps and the combat is real time, but the action-RPG setup gives them more slack in terms of how demanding the game is for AI and collision detection.

 

[orochi91]

I dont think last gen is holding them back in terms of large scale maps.

See Xenoblade Chronicles X

Good point. Xenoblade is freaking massive in scope.

Will these online multiplayer focused shooters always be this
light on content?

 

[Jest Chillin]

Wow dude, seriously? That's some hardcore defending

"hey guys, here's this huge area that I could go to right now if I wanted to, but we have a schedule to keep"

Geez why would this give me the idea that it's probably gonna be in the game at launch

So it's okay to take the part of his statement that says, "I could go there right now" literally, but the part where he says, "all of this is playable space that we hope to one day get to send you to" shouldn't be taken literally at all?

Are you seriously missing that that is you making a choice as to which part of a single statement you want to not only acknowledge but then extrapolate from to form an assumption?

You can't get it both ways. Either the whole statement is literal, in which case he clearly states that it's a hope/goal for sometime in the future. Or the whole thing is taken with a grain of sand, in which case he's just showing off that the area is a physical space and not just a skybox.

 

[qa_engineer]

The information we're talking about was clearly expressed as a hopeful goal sometime in the future.

"So all of this is playable space that we hope to one day get to send you to. It is all real geometry, you could go there, we could go there right now."

He then throws a grenade into the space he's pointing at to demonstrate that it is technically "playable space" but at no point does he promise that there will be content there at launch.

The stage demo was way cooler than the beta for obvious reasons.

 

[Two Words]

You keep being replied to because you are being obtuse, passive-aggresive and argumentative. No need to respond here unless you really feel the need to. However, I agree with the guy. Don't you have a pre-order somewhere to cancel? An online petition to tweak, perhaps?

Where have I been any of those things? All I've argued is that I am upset that they've lied about how open the exploration is. Period. That's it. I still plan to get this game and still have my Limited Edition preordered. Can I not buy the game and also state an issue I have? Are they mutually exclusive? Apparently I have to be 100% in love with every aspect of this game or think it's shit and cancel my pre-order.

 

[Llyrwenne]

/!\ LONG-ASS POST /!\​

I find it sad that some people are accusing Bungie of malicious intent / intentionally lying in order to mislead you into buying the game / cutting content from the game to sell it back to you later as DLC / demanding lists of every area and all content in the game at launch. It's uncalled for and unreasonable.

At the reveal, there was indeed talk of something more ambitious. Not because they were 'lying', but because those were their ambitions at the time. At the reveal, there was indeed concept art of other areas that Bungie wanted to put into the game at least during the conceptual phase ( please stop acting as if concept art somehow is representative of all the content that will be in the final game and the exclusion of stuff that was in concept art is somehow a betrayal @ the people that act like that ). Concepts and ambitions get cut or change during the development of a game. Some ambitions might be too ambitious. Some concepts might not be feasible to properly execute within the time given. Some concepts just might not work out as planned. That's just how game development works.

This notion that Bungie is willingly cutting areas from the game so they can sell them back to you as DLC is ridiculous. Will we see some of the areas from concept art added in at a later date or in future Destiny releases as some form of DLC? Probably. Not because they were intentionally cut from this initial release with malicious intent, but because those are areas Bungie wanted to explore in the Destiny franchise but wasn't able to get into the first Destiny release for either time, budget, platform, performance, resources or parity-related restrictions or circumstances.

What they have actually shown you of the game ( not talking concept art here, talking about what they showed from the actual game ) and what they have actually let you play did not deceive you on how the final game will play, what content it will bring or how it all ties together. Only the original scripted reveal demo contained stuff that we haven't seen yet, but that was due to the scripted nature and it mostly comes down to smaller things like players dropping down from their ships instead of spawning in ( which could still come back for the full release ) and the flow of the game, setting up fireteams and obtaining high level gear ( which was overly streamlined for this scripted demo that needed to show what Destiny could be in a limited time-frame on a stage ).

Again, yes, there was talk of something more ambitious in the early stages of this game and during some BCD demos, and if you expected them to deliver them on all of that, then you have the full right to be disappointed, let it influence your purchasing decision and tell Bungie that they shouldn't have over-promised. But also realize that they never deceived you with what they actually showed you of the game and what they let you play.

I'll definitely agree that they have been vague on what Destiny is exactly, but from what I can see, this is a problem in their marketing / manner of communication and not an intentional obfuscation of information. I think Bungie should be clearer in future communication regarding Destiny and they definitely need to look on how they communicate what Destiny is ( though, honestly, I think the Alpha and Beta did a great job at this ).

Demanding a list of locations and activities is silly as we already know what the majority activities and locations are. We have strikes ( at the very least 1 Moon, 1 Earth, 2 Venus and 1 Mars ), story missions ( confirmed at the very least 4 on Earth ( Highly probable there are more ), 7 on Venus and several on Moon and Mars ), a Raid ( confirmed just 1 for launch, on Venus ) and Explore instances for Moon, Venus, Earth and Mars, with Moon being the smallest and Venus being at least larger than Earth. In addition, we know that we haven't ( properly ) seen all areas within Old Russia and The Moon yet because they are either populated by lv. ?? enemies or blocked off for the Beta. Then we also have two Social areas, The Tower and The Reef. Lastly, we know that Mercury is in the game as host for an exclusive part of the Crucible for the 'Crucible elite'. We know Earth and the Moon house Fallen and Hive, Mars has Vex and Cabal, and Venus has Vex and Fallen. We also already know that there will be tiers within enemy types based on level. We have seen the full upgrade paths for all the known subclasses and we've already seen several pieces of exotic and legendary gear.

We already know quite a bit, why should Bungie reveal all the remaining content that will be in the final game? What do they have to gain? What do we have to gain? What do you have to gain by knowing what number of story missions there are? Based on some of the posts in this thread, it's not like you'll get less angry about there being 'just' one area per planet.

If you based your expectations fully on that initial ambition and took the concept art as confirmation for content in the game, then I completely understand that you are disappointed. Feel free to express that disappointment. If you have legitimate concerns about this game ( shooting mechanics / extent of exploration / endgame / etc. ), please express them. I have some issues and concerns myself too, regarding the lack of stuff to do in Explore, weapon balance ( both PVE and PVP ) and the length and variation in Strikes for example. But please stop jumping to conclusions based on limited playtime with limited options in limited levels by extrapolating that limited experience onto the entire game, and please stop making up stuff on how this is some malicious scheme by Bungie to intentionally mislead you and sell you content they cut from the game for the sole purpose of selling it back to you.

As of right now, there is nothing that points at Bungie intentionally cutting content ( as they have no reason to do so ) for malicious reasons. If damning evidence arises in the future ( for instance, a future expansion being the only way to unlock an area that was blocked off but fully present and working in the Beta / full game ), by all means, fire away at them, but for now, it comes down to unreasonable knee-jerk reaction.

DISCLAIMER: I know not everyone in this thread is hyperbolic and that some of you are just genuinely expressing concern and / or disappointment. This post is not intended as a sweeping comment on every single poster in this thread, so don't take it as such.

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[MMaRsu]

Has anyone from Bungie/urk said that we won't ever visit any of these places? Guys, wait for release, play it, then judge please.

Yes lets hold back all criticism until the game is on the shelves please because thats sensible.

 

[Two Words]

Yeah people are responding to you... you're correct. Because you have ~10 posts on every page... It's just a matter of time before someone responds to one of them. It isn't a discussion at this point. What is there possibly left for you to say that you haven't said?

Just get it all out in one post. Tell everyone truly how angry you are about being lied to.

The same individual has been responding to me this whole time. You don't know what you are talking about. You're literally jumping into the middle of a two-way dialogue between me and somebody else and shouting "My God man, nobody cares how much you dislike this one thing. Nobody wants to hear what you have to say" while I am talking to somebody who apparently wants to hear what I have to say because they keep responding to me and forwarding the conversation.

 

[Homeboyd]

Where have I been any of those things? All I've argued is that I am upset that they've lied about how open the exploration is. Period. That's it. I still plan to get this game and still have my Limited Edition preordered. Can I not buy the game and also state an issue I have? Are they mutually exclusive? Apparently I have to be 100% in love with every aspect of this game or think it's shit and cancel my pre-order.

Nah, you've just stated how you feel many times. MANY times. Why keep repeating it over and over again? Like I said, all of us (even myself who hasn't posted in this thread very much) are very clear on your feelings about this game and how you feel about being lied to.

Is it that you think Bungie guys have a greater chance of seeing it if you keep posting it and thus will learn the error of their ways and send out a community apology letter making everything all better again? I just don't see why you're investing so much time into saying the exact same thing over and over again. Your posts aren't going anywhere... we can still read them.