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Destiny |OT15| What Cheese May Come

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Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
Derpyduck said:
Anyone want to take a 31 hunter on PS4 to either of the raids? As a disclaimer, I've never done either. I thought I'd try here first before trying to join one of the people on Twitch that take viewers.
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Namikaze1 said:
Hawkian is your guy. He takes raid newbies and make true raiders out of them.
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hehe. This week's on Thursday is full- but Derpyduck, feel free to send me a PM if you want into next week's CE raid, Thursday at 9:00EST.
 
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Orthogonal

Member
Hawkian said:
right, and everything about a game where it tends to come down to "that one drop you really really want" lends itself to the gambler's fallacy.

I guess if I really get down to it, I've had it easy being able to see randomness for what it is. because if you forbid yourself from believing that it is random, and you're getting screwed, then you're getting screwed on purpose, however convoluted the means.

I just get lost trying to concort the version of events that would appear to people to legitimately be random. every possible option I weigh seems, well, not random :p
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Bungie has designed a game with all the trappings to hook the gambling addict inside. This game has, for me, become a relentless pursuit of the jackpot, i.e. Gjallarhorn. If I had that weapon I would be very happy, a lot less frustrated and not really care what drops I receive next. It would also be a loss of the carrot on a stick and I would probably give up on the game after a few weeks.

It is an odd situition I find myself with a game. I either continue to play the game endlessly frustrated or get what I want and quit happily. There is no other option that I would consider. It is also a reason I am not interested in Comet because it would all start the process all over again unless the system gets a serious overhaul.
 
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iRAWRasaurus

Banned
Hugstable said:
Haha no problem, I'm still down for a nightfall anytime. Someone is gonna help me out with the weekly too, will probably have enough strange coins to get something good from Xur again this week! I've had so many strange coin drops these last 3 days lol
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Joining you now, i can run the nightfall with you afterwards :)
 
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Robdraggoo

Member
toastyToast said:
Anyone wanna do Crota's End beginning within the next hour? I've got a 32 Warlock in case for the quick Crota kill but I'd prefer to use my 31 hunter.

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I'd like to run it twice I'd you still have room
Psn robdraggoo
In about 20 minutes

Have 32 Hunter and titan.
Nvm. Wifes watching castle

Will try again in 45 minutes
 
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Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
Sword Of Doom said:
If the odds are 50% then if you roll long enough you will eventually get an even distribution of A/B because that is the result with the highest probability. It's how casinos make billions of dollars.
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wait... what. :p I'm not sure you even know what you meant by "that is the result with the highest probability," or it's missing something. You're describing a single independent event with two results wherein each result is equally likely. Both results have the highest probability, each time the event occurs; a 50-50 chance.

Casinos would certainly not make that much money offering odds in this vein, which is why they... don't. The closest you might manage to get is roulette, when a simple bet on any of the "half and half" odds, either red or black, odd or even, high or low, has 47.4% odds of a payout- still worse than a coin flip on either end (the "house edge"). And of course, these options with the best odds have the tiniest payouts.

Casinos make their money in a lot of ways that manipulate human psychology but they don't have anything to do with setting up even AB distributions.
Orthogonal said:
Bungie has designed a game with all the trappings to hook the gambling addict inside. This game has, for me, become a relentless pursuit of the jackpot, i.e. Gjallarhorn. If I had that weapon I would be very happy, a lot less frustrated and not really care what drops I receive next. It would also be a loss of the carrot on a stick and I would probably give up on the game after a few weeks.

It is an odd situition I find myself with a game. I either continue to play the game endlessly frustrated or get what I want and quit happily. There is no other option that I would consider. It is also a reason I am not interested in Comet because it would all start the process all over again unless the system gets a serious overhaul.
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Right, basically all of this is worthless as Destiny may provide all of the trappings of a gambling scenario (odds stacked heavily against you, randomness [seriously], jackpots, risk vs. reward, repetition) but absolutely none of the stakes (financial gain/ruin).

The false dichotomy you've erected for yourself- play frustrated or quit happy- is ultimately meaningless because Destiny isn't actually anything other than an entertainment product.

If you have fun playing it then you should keep doing so; if you don't, you should stop, immediately, forever. I hope that's not too harsh- I know you clarified before that you aren't as intense about it as you make it seem, but these are games... games should be a source of joy, accomplishment, relaxation, reward, fun- not frustration.
 
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everyday math

Banned
"Child asked me if I was a clock. I told her yes, yes; I was keeping time until the world would be safe for her."-cloak of the unborn

One of my favorite cloak descriptions.
 
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Homeboyd

Member
Namikaze1 said:
The gunsmith will say anything to have people stop by his shop. He's trying to stay in business but he knows no one wants his shitty wares.
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When you stand in front of the Gunsmith, you’re faced with choices. Each of the weapons on that wall is valuable in a special way. When you pull a piece of iron from the rack and commit it to your arsenal, you embrace strengths and weaknesses that complement the way you fight.
 
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Robdraggoo

Member
Homeboyd said:
When you stand in front of the Gunsmith, you’re faced with choices. Each of the weapons on that wall is valuable in a special way. When you pull a piece of iron from the rack and commit it to your arsenal, you embrace strengths and weaknesses that complement the way you fight.
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Yes, and those choices are grey, green or purple.
 
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vctor182

Member
Question:
If I ran VoG on Hard, skipping Normal... do i get more chances to obtain Fatebringer or Mytho because I have more loot rolls?
 
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patchday

Member
Orthogonal said:
Bungie has designed a game with all the trappings to hook the gambling addict inside. This game has, for me, become a relentless pursuit of the jackpot, i.e. Gjallarhorn. If I had that weapon I would be very happy, a lot less frustrated and not really care what drops I receive next. It would also be a loss of the carrot on a stick and I would probably give up on the game after a few weeks.

It is an odd situition I find myself with a game. I either continue to play the game endlessly frustrated or get what I want and quit happily. There is no other option that I would consider. It is also a reason I am not interested in Comet because it would all start the process all over again unless the system gets a serious overhaul.
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I took a break to play DA: I, D3: Ultimate, etc when I got pissed off about the constant resource farming. I got tired of feeling like a bot or illegal farmer, running from node to node. And I'd get pissed if I saw someone else pop up and ruin my route. LOL! Also VoG drop rates pissed me off

I left for a few weeks (but still played maybe once a week in Crucible or ran an NF).

I am back and refreshed.

Granted, for me, it never was about the next loot item (well beyond hitting L30 back then). Okay so that's a lie; I guess it is about the next loot item. Although I'm really really not concerned bout hitting L32. I am going to run Crota but try not to come into this thread and cry rivers when I don't get the item I need to ascend
 
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adin75

Member
2 nightfalls for a second Gjallarhorn and second Ruin Wings. Weapon and armour switching just got a whoke lot simpler. Would trade them both for the damn raid helmet though :(
 
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Robdraggoo

Member
Hawkian said:
yes. Two Fatebringers at least is definitely a possible roll at Templar.
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Well, now im pondering if I should skip normal crota and go straight for hm. Will there be double primary loot rolls? This raid seems like normal and hard are going to have completely different loot rolls. Guess we will find out tomorrow
 
Reptars Revenge

Reptars Revenge

Member
3 weeks of strange coins from the nightfall. I Still have 100 coins after buying another sparrow upgrade and 100 heavy ammo. Game loves giving me them, had enough to buy armor the first week without doing the weekly.
 
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Kadey

Mrs. Harvey
Hugstable said:
Ohhh that would be awesome. I'm down to give it a try after the nightfall, never done a raid before yet haha
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I'm going to get something to eat in the mean time. Just join in when you're done and I'll solo it. I'm already at the top of the platform.
 
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Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
Robdraggoo said:
Well, now im pondering if I should skip normal crota and go straight for hm. Will there be double primary loot rolls? This raid seems like normal and hard are going to have completely different loot rolls. Guess we will find out tomorrow
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It could be different from VoG, we have no clue. For VoG, the only compelling justification I've heard from "normal then hard" from a loot perspective is if you're aiming for non-Vex exotics (the thinking being the Vex can count for your "normal mode exotic slot" roll from Atheon). Otherwise, it's just universally better to run Hard once and for all.
 
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Orthogonal

Member
Hawkian said:
Right, basically all of this is worthless as Destiny may provide all of the trappings of a gambling scenario (odds stacked heavily against you, randomness [seriously], jackpots, risk vs. reward, repetition) but absolutely none of the stakes (financial gain/ruin).

The false dichotomy you've erected for yourself- play frustrated or quit happy- is ultimately meaningless because Destiny isn't actually anything other than an entertainment product.

If you have fun playing it then you should keep doing so; if you don't, you should stop, immediately, forever. I hope that's not too harsh- I know you clarified before that you aren't as intense about it as you make it seem, but these are games... games should be a source of joy, accomplishment, relaxation, reward, fun- not frustration.
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That's not harsh at all and I appreciate candor, I even tell myself the same thing when I'm not playing. I do have fun with the coop. There have been some awesome Nightfall close-calls and the first time through the raids have been great experiences and I look forward to the Arena, but that fades quickly as we turn back to the grind.

The game is supposed to be entertainment, and I have gotten that from it and will in the future, this particular type of game just carries a lot of baggage with it.
 
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Kadey

Mrs. Harvey
We must have the record for number of Fatebringers dropped in one run. Uno, dos, tres, cuatro..............CINCO! Fatebringers for the whole party!
 
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Orthogonal

Member
patchday said:
I took a break to play DA: I, D3: Ultimate, etc when I got pissed off about the constant resource farming. I got tired of feeling like a bot or illegal farmer, running from node to node. And I'd get pissed if I saw someone else pop up and ruin my route. LOL! Also VoG drop rates pissed me off

I left for a few weeks (but still played maybe once a week in Crucible or ran an NF).

I am back and refreshed.

Granted, for me, it never was about the next loot item (well beyond hitting L30 back then). Okay so that's a lie; I guess it is about the next loot item. Although I'm really really not concerned bout hitting L32. I am going to run Crota but try not to come into this thread and cry rivers when I don't get the item I need to ascend
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Good perspective and advice. I tried to take a break but didn't quite last a week. Leaving higher than normal Exotic rolls on the table got to me. Each week now I essentially just run NF, weekly, Atheon and CE with very little else. It really isn't that much time spent each reset, but that still leaves little else for other games since I really only have 5 to 7 hours available each week.
 
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