Why would they patch it? It's not a glitch. Caves/corridors are where monsters spawn from. Bungie programmed it this way. Blame them and the long gear grind for people farming trash mobs for drops.
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Why would they patch it? It's not a glitch. Caves/corridors are where monsters spawn from. Bungie programmed it this way. Blame them and the long gear grind for people farming trash mobs for drops.
Dont know why people have problem about grinding.
I rarely grind anything except upgrade material (but I have fun because of public event and chest)
I spent 70 hours in the game. I have already beat vault on normal difficulty and I can say that I have good moment for more than 90 % of time I spent in this game.
I rarely grind anything except upgrade material (but I have fun because of public event and chest)
I spent 70 hours in the game. I have already beat vault on normal difficulty and I can say that I have good moment for more than 90 % of time I spent in this game.
Exploratory
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Oh P-fucking-lease. God your post is so unbelievably assuming and elitist and so many other things. I mean I don't even have the time to explain why I don't even gave the time to explain how bad this post is.
You may just need to play some more games.
rselig1974
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yeah, because you know, he couldn't have just actually enjoyed. god neogaf likes to shit on games. it's rediculous
Ok more specific, you should play Halo 1-3.
xxjuicesxx
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300 Million United States Dollars.
Hire Juices IMO.
Hire Juices IMO.
I wouldn't be surprised if they smack that stuff down anyway. I also have a lingering feeling that instead of them giving strikes better rewards they'll instead nerf the output of the patrol missions to make everything take longer, but I hope I'm wrong.
Exploratory
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This guy just said every encounter was fresh and entertaining. I mean damn its the same thing every time. Its objectively not fresh.
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Deleted member 17706
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Expectations, I think.
I definitely went in expecting more of a narrative-driven game and was initially disappointed, but when I came to terms with the fact that it's just an MMO, I've been having a blast because the game is so fun to play.
I only wish that it were easier to communicate with folks in the game. I feel like there are so many opportunities I would have met some cool folks if I only had the tools. I don't want to go on forums and make commitments with people offline before doing something in the game.
Allez Phill
Banned
People have lives to live? A family to take care of? A job? School?
I have all of those things to do.. grinding in a video game is the last thing I want to do when I get out of class, work, or doing errands.
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Deleted member 17706
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The make-up of the enemies that you encounter is always different between the missions.
If you're going to boil it down to "deploy Ghost, fight waves" then sure, it's all the same, but the moment-to-moment combat is different.
Opposite for me. I find that the less time I have, the more I enjoy quick grindy stuff like Diablo and Destiny and other MMOs.
You just have to throw away any kind of desire to be on the cutting edge of things.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
interesting
The problem with reviewers is they're not psychic. They can't read your mind to know the things you do or don't care about. They have to address the game as a whole. For example, the story is objectively shit. There's no getting around that one. You say you don't care about the story, and that's fine, but that's not something the reviewer is going to guess. The whole point of a review is to encapsulate the entire game, and judge all those elements on their merits. So the reader of the review can in turn decide what elements they care about, and the ones they don't. The story of Destiny is shit, and so the game gets dinged for that. All the missions are identical. You might not care, and say they're fun. Well they're still identical, so it gets dinged for that. Maybe you're having a great time solo, but others trying to struggle with its awkward matchmaking aren't, so it gets dinged for that. And some reviewers care more about these issues than others, which is why it's gotten such a range of scores.
I mean I do not really grind in this game.
Hit 20 >> do strike (which was quite new for me because I never did it before) >> upgrade gear >> do harder strike/heroic/daily/weekly (they are harder and more fun) >>> PvP >>> reputation hit lv 2 >> buy all those legendary >> buy exotic from tentacle face guy >>> farm for upgrade material a bit >>> ready to raid !!
Quite quick and not as repetitive as people think.
I add people like crazy and I've made some good destiny friends quickly. One that we played the whole story through coop over a weeks time and another that we always play in a fireyeam and help each other do bounties etc.
I agree a better system.would be nice but If there are people who want that experience they will connect back and I haven't had to deal with 1 retard on mic in all of destiny so bungie are actually on to something in my experience.
It takes like 2 clicks to get someone on ur fire team in game.
Uh, no? The groups of enemies hanging around are the same number/make-up they always are when I'm finding encounters between missions/grinding out planet resources. Occasionally they "move against" one another and a big melee starts but the hordes are the same otherwise.
Everyone uses exploits to farm and grind in like every RPG ever. Why is this any different?
The cave is fine. I never do cave farming and I have already finished the vault of glass.
It's because some people have sour grapes about people getting legendary gear via farming rather than suffering the daily grind. Go to the Destiny OT to see what I mean. Some of the twisted logic and invective against farmers is quite funny. One person basically told me I was lying about getting legendary gear from cave/temple farming.
BreezyLimbo
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He must've missed the part about bosses having loot tables. Not alot of people are going to want to go through the 4 hour raid again for a chance of anyone getting loot. It's one thing for the boss to drop items that you can't use, but someone else in your party can. It's another thing to see the average drop of the whole raid be 2-3 legendary pieces.
Sidenote-I can't believe that people are really farming Skywatch on Earth. I thought people were joking when they said it was a good farming spot.
Player interconnectivity would likely make them squash stuff, though it's a bit weird when there's no economy to manipulate and pretty much on them for making it so low level trash mobs drop everything to your level anyway.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Yup. Trash mobs have the same drop chance as heroic enemies or stuff at your level (or both). Why expend the extra effort?
badnewsbeers
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Just beat the campaign.
That was terrible. Someone could have written the story on a post card and read it to me before playing, and I wouldn't have felt like I missed out.
10 hrs of nothing happening with no motivation to do it.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice.... Trading it in asap. Not spending another dime on this turd.
That was terrible. Someone could have written the story on a post card and read it to me before playing, and I wouldn't have felt like I missed out.
10 hrs of nothing happening with no motivation to do it.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice.... Trading it in asap. Not spending another dime on this turd.
Icyflamez96
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It wasn't spent on development which is the whole point. What you put into advertising has nothing to do with how the game is developed.
That seems to be true here as the marketing department created and advertised a completely different game from the one we ended up with. I feel sorry for anyone who bought the hype.
Are you serious? The entire funding a game receives absolutely has to do with how a game is developed. You don't think there is incentive to hold some content back for DLC if your publisher spends 250 million just on advertising? They need to recoup those costs somehow. Entire budget for a game including advertising absolutely plays a part in how the game is developed. It's completely naive to think otherwise.
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Maybe it's just me being old school, but inviting someone out of the blue in an MMO comes across as straight up rude. You've got no idea what they are interested in doing.
I have a strong resistance to that kind of thing having played a lot of MMORPGs. I can't just invite someone without warning and start chatting them up in voice chat.
I meant the differences from one mission to another, not the enemy layout in the shared areas on each planet.
Yep. You're being willingly obtuse if you think there isn't a working relationship between marketers and developers in the AAA world. 500 million going toward Destiny's development is a fair statement.
That + the GDC talk explains sooooo much of why destiny is the way it is. It's not the result of development hell or evil Activison, just designers who love empty mmo loot grinds and hate story in videogames.
I'd still like to know why no matchmaking and why the non-existent social element.
Icyflamez96
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I don't see how the majority of that money (well I assume it was the majority) going to marketers who advertise the game can compare to ALL of the money solely being used on development.
You think buying national TV time and ad space across many different forms of media is cheap?
Icyflamez96
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Development isn't exactly cheap either though.
Edit: What are you getting at anyway? I said "I assume" the majority of the money was spent on advertising.
I haven't really read the rest of this thread but I agree -- I think this is the game they wanted to make, for better and worse.
I think the celebrity voicing is helpful for them to sell the game to the publisher and the audience, but it's wasted w/ the lack of a strong story and would probably be better with just regular voice actors.
For its emptiness, I'm enjoying it so far, but I've always liked MMOs. I just thought they didn't have enough action in the gameplay for me to really like playing them, and required too much time in. Destiny seems to address those problems, I just wish the writing were a little bit better, because I have to hear it so much and so often.
Me_Marcadet
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i know all that, that's why I say I don't trust reviews because I rarely share the same interests in a game than your average reviewer and it's sad because they have a lot of power in the industry.
What is frustrating is the fact destiny is so huge that while you can find a lot of flaws, you can still find one of the best game ever created. What bothers me in angry Joe review is that it focus only on some flaws while not mentioning all the amazing things Bungie achieved.
Nailing the core mechanics is not something you mention in one sentence, you need to expand on that thing because 90% of games don't even achieve that.
EDIT: One strong evidence in favor of the campaign; when I tried the PvP at the begining I sucked and had no fun, after beating the campaign solo on hard, I tried some pvp matches for the first time since then and even without being familiar with the maps I could manage myself and did some pretty good things like unlocking the "Triple Play" trophy for my second match. When a fps campaign hone your skill and help you be a better player in pvp matches it can only be because the encounters are challenging with great level design and good IA.
Cave Johnson
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I share your sentiments in he current state of reviews but that doesn't automatically mean we live in a bubble. We have the capability of accessing and interpreting information and compare them across a series of sources to make a well informed decision. Likewise, having enthusiastic posters can project blind praise and undermining legitimate issues especially without properly backing up with solid reasoning. Just because you are not a reviewer doesn't make you any less susceptible from being critically bankrupt.
I have read AJ's review as well as other impressions from both the media and posters alike and many unanimously point out the same issues. The negative simply outweighs the positive, as simple as that. AJ perfectly highlights both issues to the extent of his capabilities. Trying to rally us into tunnel vision mentality is one of the most disgusting things anyone could use to support their biases. If you are enthusiastic fine, but it's incredibly disingenuous to ask people to blatantly ignore issues that yourself are accustomed to.
CuckFupertino
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Wow that IGN review actually really impresses. They definitely poured on the production values, but in terms of the editorial content itself I was very pleased. I find most of IGN's video reviews to be watered down and short on insight, but Vince was fantastic. Has he been with IGN long? I don't visit there often but if he's doing their big reviews now, I might be more interested.
jellies_two
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Angry joe nailed it!
Yes, he did.
The battered partner thing (wife, husband, whatever) is exactly how I feel. I *do* want a few items of exotic loot, but the game does not reward me while I submit to the hours necessary. To put it simply, if there was no exotic/legendary loot reward I'd rather be spending time in any other title.
Candy Crush has the same formula. Slot machines do as well. Somewhere there is a psychiatrist behind this. They've worked out how to string people along and get hours out of them. Either that, or they have as Joe suggests, carved out a lot of the exposition and put it into DLC. Which is almost as bad.
Yes, he did.
The battered partner thing (wife, husband, whatever) is exactly how I feel. I *do* want a few items of exotic loot, but the game does not reward me while I submit to the hours necessary. To put it simply, if there was no exotic/legendary loot reward I'd rather be spending time in any other title.
Candy Crush has the same formula. Slot machines do as well. Somewhere there is a psychiatrist behind this. They've worked out how to string people along and get hours out of them. Either that, or they have as Joe suggests, carved out a lot of the exposition and put it into DLC. Which is almost as bad.
Poodlestrike
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I Suck (yes, the capital is required) at PvP, and even I pulled off the Triple Play. That's not increased skill, that's the power of Supers talking. Destiny's encounter design and AI is lackluster, and promotes an entirely different skillset than what is required in PvP.
Net_Wrecker
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Core mechanics ain't worth much without the mission and encounter design to back it up. And that's coming from someone who will jump at the opportunity to criticize a game for its failings on a mechanic level. Destiny's mechanics are let down in nearly every way by the stuff surrounding them.
Me_Marcadet
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It was just an example managing a K/D ratio superior than 2 and being leader of my team was another one I could have used. The first game I played at release I couldn't even kill more than five players ... I really am in disagreement with you, the campaign really challenged me and made me a much better player, forcing me to constantly move, be aware of my surrounding and chaining precision kills. That's the same basic skillset you need in PvP. Of course at high level PvP you need to learn the maps and establish strategies with your teammates but for the basic skills of moving around, aiming fast and being hard to be shot, the campaign is a good teaching tool that I recommand for every noob. Of course, you need to play the game alone in hard mode, normal mode and teammates make the game a cakewalk.
People here getting riled up about Joe's review is exactly what he wants and why he has that very particular style of discourse.
The Angry review resonated with me a lot. I think people content with the game are being favoured by the RNG and getting loot where others are not. So many people have bought destiny that it's inevitable that fortune will be on the side of some. But for now the loot system is terribly, terribly skewed towards completely unrewarding and just too random to give purpose to your actions.
Completing a challenging strike with friends is fun even though it can get downright frustrating and desperate at times since the mechanics of gameplay are pretty darn solid. But after the bullets stop flying around there's no reward for your troubles and defeating the bosses is probably one of the most anticlimactic experience I've witnessed. I keep comparing the loot game to Diablo which is such an excellent example of wrongs righted and the way it has perfected the "Skinner Box"-gameplay. Defeating a huge boss should end in a way- actually now that I think about it, the Sepiks Prime Boss comes close. When defeated you get this nice audio cue and light show. But alas, no loot. There should be an explosion of treasure for the effort.
I think the technical side of using the ships as loading screens, having the exact same spawn point and other weird design choices are the results of having the game be cross generations. Some of them are annoying or just break up the flow unnecessarily, but not the main problem of the game.
The loot is where it's at. Except there is none.
The Angry review resonated with me a lot. I think people content with the game are being favoured by the RNG and getting loot where others are not. So many people have bought destiny that it's inevitable that fortune will be on the side of some. But for now the loot system is terribly, terribly skewed towards completely unrewarding and just too random to give purpose to your actions.
Completing a challenging strike with friends is fun even though it can get downright frustrating and desperate at times since the mechanics of gameplay are pretty darn solid. But after the bullets stop flying around there's no reward for your troubles and defeating the bosses is probably one of the most anticlimactic experience I've witnessed. I keep comparing the loot game to Diablo which is such an excellent example of wrongs righted and the way it has perfected the "Skinner Box"-gameplay. Defeating a huge boss should end in a way- actually now that I think about it, the Sepiks Prime Boss comes close. When defeated you get this nice audio cue and light show. But alas, no loot. There should be an explosion of treasure for the effort.
I think the technical side of using the ships as loading screens, having the exact same spawn point and other weird design choices are the results of having the game be cross generations. Some of them are annoying or just break up the flow unnecessarily, but not the main problem of the game.
The loot is where it's at. Except there is none.
RSB
Banned
Exactly. If the campaign levels/encounters were as varied and well designed as those from Bungie's previous games, Destiny's reception would have been way more positive, that's for sure. Seriously, replaying Halo 3 after a Destiny session is almost depressing.
And presonally, I don't consider the core gameplay to be that amazing either. For example, I'll never understand why Bungie decided to give us all these cool movement options, and then include ADS and accuracy penalties for everything (you can't even do no-scopes FFS) It's like the game is trying to sabotage itself.
That AJ review was pretty good BTW. I agree with pretty much everything. Only disagree with his comments about the PvP. IMO it's pure garbage, nothing good to say about that unbalanced POS.
breakfuss
Member
So are you guys complaining about loot independent of progression? Because I've been told you need to just but your legendary and exotic equipment (I'm still lvl 23 so my understanding is limited). You're just saying you want new stuff, basically?
Me_Marcadet
Member
What is wrong with the encounters ?
I would really want to read exactly why it's bad because I found them really top notch aside from two encounters who were really bad
I find them really engaging, forcing you to use all your arsenal, learning how to defeat each class of enemies the most efficient way, using the layout of the maps at your advantage, it is never a grind fest, it is always challenging but very fair, you can only die if you're doing a mistake. Not even once I felt like "been there, done that" and I was always entertained.
I understand that many people don't like the "defend the ghost" objective but it's not what make an encounter or a mission bad and repetitive. What's important is the layout of the maps, the ennemies spawning and the checkpoints. If we consider those criterias, no encounter is the same as another.
Another thing wich Destiny is doing right is teaching you enemies weakness and ramping up the difficulty progressively.
Maybe the game changes a lot if you play a different class with different weapons and skills and that's why we don't agree.
I would really want to read exactly why it's bad because I found them really top notch aside from two encounters who were really bad
the sword fight and one encounter versus one giant cyclop mecha who one shot you and has a lot of pv in one of the last optional story mission
I find them really engaging, forcing you to use all your arsenal, learning how to defeat each class of enemies the most efficient way, using the layout of the maps at your advantage, it is never a grind fest, it is always challenging but very fair, you can only die if you're doing a mistake. Not even once I felt like "been there, done that" and I was always entertained.
I understand that many people don't like the "defend the ghost" objective but it's not what make an encounter or a mission bad and repetitive. What's important is the layout of the maps, the ennemies spawning and the checkpoints. If we consider those criterias, no encounter is the same as another.
Another thing wich Destiny is doing right is teaching you enemies weakness and ramping up the difficulty progressively.
Maybe the game changes a lot if you play a different class with different weapons and skills and that's why we don't agree.
The game becomes a really unrewarding grind after a certain point, me and my friends hit the wall at lvl 24. The game keeps throwing useless loot at you for completing even the hardest of challenges. And yet at the same time people keep getting exotics and legendaries for idleing in the PvP. The input-reward- system that's behind the loot system is just broken.
Death Metalist
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Net_Wrecker
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Huh? That's quite literally the issue. Nearly every encounter is defending the Ghost from waves, or whittling down boring bullet sponge bosses while dealing with waves. There's very little substantial variety in combat scenarios, pacing, tone, strategy, motivation, interaction, etc. Once you learn how to fight a race, those set ups and strategies aren't built upon at all aside from throwing even more of them at you in another wave based encounter. Vehicles, enemies, and ships also come and go without any fanfare (aside from the huge Public Event carrier). The presentation of combat is totally vanilla with very few exciting crescendos. This is the same team that brought us the Scarab encounters. Destiny is utterly pedestrian in comparison.
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