Destiny - Review Thread

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Asbear said:
I have to agree. I've always written it off as an English cultural thing to do that, but it still irks me when people do the "As a [insert profession]" It makes people sound self-absorbed.
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If I were to yell out to a room of random people asking for help with an electrical question, I'm going to trust the guy who starts off his sentence with "As an electrician, ...".

It couldn't possibly be a more innocuous thing to say. The guy was just giving the frame of reference for where his opinion was coming from, get over the phrasing.

Which is worse, being self-absorbed or overly judgmental?
 
Icyflamez96 said:
I read that. That's why I posted this.
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Bungie and Activision contradicting each other
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I get a kick out of people quibbling over the 500 million number. Unless you're trying to say they spent 499 million on everything except development, what is your point other than to quibble?
 
Etnos said:
I wouldn't necesarily asume malice, but I do think this game was developed with a coorporate bullet point as a design document. It is pretty clear they wanted to make a game as a service-adicting loot treadmill kind of stuff.

Now they did a poorly done one thou.
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Mmm. Fair enough.

Icyflamez96 said:
Well it's much better than the alpha at least.
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Eh, I dunno. "That wizard came from the moon" had a certain level of Narm Charm. Most of the new lines are just self-serious.
 
Woo-Fu said:
I get a kick out of people quibbling over the 500 million number. Unless you're trying to say they spent 499 million on everything except development, what is your point other than to quibble?
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I wish Joe didn't even bring it up, because it doesn't strengthen the point he was making and gives detractors tangential bait to dismiss him over.
 
Icyflamez96 said:
Well i'm not really talking about the dialogue, there wasn't a voice filter on the alpha version of the ghost. It was straight dinkie.
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Yup, it was one of the most dissonant things I've ever heard in a video game -- such a straight, HIGHLY recognizable voice coming from a little floating robot.
 
speculawyer said:
His review is amusing. But it is hard to take a 6/10 review seriously when he kept playing the game for so long. If I have a game that I view as a 6/10, I generally quit part way through. But then again, I guess that would make me a bad reviewer.

I love the beat-down of masked Bobby.
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Speculawyer I like you but I have to say you underestimate WHY Joe does this.
He does this to inform US / his audience about the game.

He usually is late with reviews because:

1. Most publishers don't send him review copies / codes.
2. He plays games in its entirety and then some, even if he hates the game just to inform us of the entire product.
3. He does everything himself, gaming, capturing, editing, scrips etc etc.

And we talk about the fact that we want "game journos" to be independent and complete en fair in their coverage of our games?
Well this is about as independent, detailed and fair as "games journalism" is about to get in our lives right now.

Also everyone before you all hate some more on Joe remember he is a fellow GAFFER so give the guy a break ok?
 
Messofanego said:
Angry Joe's anguish at 28:32 is Oscar-worthy.

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Bungie, let him have an Exotic, goddamn.
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God damn.

How Joe says people are playing this game for the wrong reasons is fucking true.

I am not playing this game for its story, hell I dropped playing the story by Mars. Playing the game post Level 20 is a fucking chore. It is in no way as enjoyable as it was before you hit 20. The RNG is fucking annoying. In beta I thought the game's loot actually felt meaningful. Now every fucking piece I get is just dismantled for parts, since the game refuses to give me purples or exotics.

I am playing this game and just grinding. This is not fun. And I bought the fucking season pass.

Man I feel so suckered by that beta and alpha.
 
Asbear said:
I have to agree. I've always written it off as an English cultural thing to do that, but it still irks me when people do the "As a [insert profession]" It makes people sound self-absorbed.
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I've always found that people identifying almost completely with what they do professionally, going so far as to limit their perspective on virtually any topic to the angle that profession will give make for a nice change. It's the opposite of self-absorption, it's an annihilation of individuality and autonomy, they're agents. But my interest is questionable in that it is egotistical; I'm interested in the garden where I plan to stroll for a while, not the plot holder; I have little interest in them as a person of unique opinions and beliefs. I'm a terrible person, my God.
 
omg angry joe's review is amazing. i'm laughing tears right now

that peter dinklages worship lol

and he nails everything that is wrong wih the game
 
loot in destiny appears to be just as retarded as in (vanilla) d3. minus the part about getting a legendary item after only 40 hours.
 
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Joe says 'the Queen was there for dlc purposes'

Yet we are getting the Queens wrath shortly for free

That was a random point I went to in the video and saw that, which right there, further proves, reviewers have zero idea what they are saying, they just want hits
 
devilsadvocat said:
18:24

Joe says 'the Queen was there for dlc purposes'

Yet we are getting the Queens wrath shortly for free

That was a random point I went to in the video and saw that, which right there, further proves, reviewers have zero idea what they are saying, they just want hits
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Queen's Wrath has no additional story content.
 
devilsadvocat said:
18:24

Joe says 'the Queen was there for dlc purposes'

Yet we are getting the Queens wrath shortly for free

That was a random point I went to in the video and saw that, which right there, further proves, reviewers have zero idea what they are saying, they just want hits
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It's true, probably the worst thing about Joe's review is that he makes far too many assumptions about the inner workings of Bungie and Activision. He does that a lot with other games, and it almost always comes off as cheap pandering to forum conspiracy theorists and an excuse to use his little character.

I subscribe more to Hanlon's Razor philosophy:

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

In the case of Destiny, replace "stupidity" with "poor time management/planning" or something similarly inept.
 
Muntu said:
And I don't think saying it's dlc implies it's paid dlc
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Free DLC is the rare exception, not the rule. And I haven't heard about any free DLC for Destiny. The Queen stuff next week appears to be bounties and modifiers to existing missions.

Bungie has promised playlist management and updates for both PVP and PVE though, whereas in previous games you tended to see the lion share of focus on PVP only.

Would love to be surprised here on the free content front, but I just find it hard to believe with the paid expansions coming so soon.

antitrop said:
In the case of Destiny, replace "stupidity" with "poor time management/planning" or something similarly inept.
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If poor time management and planning leads to content cut from the day-one release to be introduced later in paid DLC, whats the difference? You still have a game that's light on content that it stretches that stuff out as much as humanly possible by way of grinds and built-in-back-tracking mission structures and palette swaps, with additional content coming by way of premium expansions. Greed and incompetence both lead to the same place. There's also no reason it can't be a little of column A and a little of column B.
 
I have no problems with Destiny. The story is like...what someone who has never written or read any science fiction thinks a science fiction story is supposed to be like, but I can get past that.

But the pve group stuff is pretty fun and I really dig the pvp. Like any online, roleplaying, loot-based game (I'm hesitant to call Destiny an MMO) there's some weirdness with balance until you start to press through the post game. And unfortunately once the loot gap is closed you still have a skill gap to overcome, but I think things will level out.
 
Synth said:
This is a flawed comparison regardless. Someone may well have liked Transformers the first time they saw it. When Transformers 2 comes along though, they're not forced to watch Transformers 1 an additional 100 times before being allowed to see the sequel once.

I've hit lv20, completed the campaign and exhausted all unique content available to me... I would like to try out the raid, but can I? No. Not unless I'm willing to grind away at the little content available to me, for long enough that I probably could have finished 2-3 other games completely, in order to qualify for it. If I keep coming back to Destiny in order to complete this task, it won't be because I'm having fun any more than it would be if I were trying to get all the "nothings" in Blue Dragon. I simply want to play this content that I've paid for, which is supposed to be the best part of the game.



If it didn't occur to them... well, it should have. There's already precedent for this, as Phantasy Star Universe launched with very limited content, and stayed that way for a month or two before trickling out content that it already had on the disc. By the second month more than half of the people I was playing with (who started out enthusiastically) were done with the game forever, and as a result weren't around to see any of that content. So I really don't think it's a practice people should be fine with.



I would also just like to add how I find it kinda amusing how you're now saying that anyone spending over a certain amount of hours on Destiny must therefore enjoy it, making their criticism less valid. Earlier in this very thread you kept telling people that they hadn't played enough to form a educated opinion on the game, that the combat becomes better once you're fighting enemies that are 24+, etc. Your current stance contradicts your previous stance quite a bit... is that just because now that everyone is at the "end game", you can't tell people that the end game makes everything better anymore?

EDIT: Would also like to add that the average playing time is a pointless measure without more info. Are they only counting the average time of people that play it at all. If I play 3 hours one day, and then don't play it for the next 4 days, am I logged as having an average 3 hour session? If I never come back, are they going to count that as 0 average hours? I doubt it.
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I dunno man, you shouldn't have bought Destiny if you weren't willing to collect loot post game. It has many similarities to Diablo with respect to gear being an important part of its post game design. If this doesn't suit you, you should have done research before buying it.
 
NullPointer said:
If poor time management and planning leads to content cut from the day-one release to be introduced later in paid DLC, whats the difference? You still have a game that's light on content that it stretches that stuff out as much as humanly possible by way of grinds and built-in-back-tracking mission structures and palette swaps, with additional content coming by way of premium expansions. Greed and incompetence both lead to the same place. There's also no reason it can't be a little of column A and a little of column B.
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You're right, in that the most probable explanation is a bit of A and B.

I suppose the difference would come down to how one would perceive Bungie and their reputation after this. If you side 100% with column A, then Bungie are evil, manipulative bastards that fit right at home with their corporate overlord Activision, suckling straight from the teet of Kotick as he reports the closing stock prices directly to Satan before nestling down in his bed in the evening.

Column B is considerably more forgiving. I'm more of a B guy, I think most people are.

That raspy-voiced $$$$$ character that Joe created is just a way for him to get his column A point of view across in a more palatable and comedic way.
 
FairXchange said:
I dunno man, you shouldn't have bought Destiny if you weren't willing to collect loot post game. It has many similarities to Diablo with respect to gear being an important part of its post game design. If this doesn't suit you, you should have done research before buying it.
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But we never knew about the loot game before launch, and it's really not that similar to Diablo, especially post Loot 2.0 patch. It's a lot less varied and the only (decent) way to get end-game loot is to buy it, so the whole psychological loop is broken.
 
FairXchange said:
I dunno man, you shouldn't have bought Destiny if you weren't willing to collect loot post game. It has many similarities to Diablo with respect to gear being an important part of its post game design. If this doesn't suit you, you should have done research before buying it.
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I've played tons of loot games in the past, and am more than willing to play to obtain loot in many of them. What they don't typically share with Destiny however is that when the RNG doesn't go your way, it feels like you've accomplished literally nothing in the time you've played. If my purple's turn blue, or if they spit out something I can't equip, the time spent getting it is a complete write-off... this is not the case with basically any loot game I have played before in my life.

There's also simply far too large a gulf between reaching the endgame and being able to take part in the raid. When combined with how easily your progress can be stunted by its system, it's really not surprising that there's so many people firing into a cave to try and get over that hump as quickly as possible.

It's not about me being unwilling to play a loot game, it's about the loot game almost freezing until you find a winning scratch card. What pre-launch would have clued me in that this would be the case?
 
“We’re pouring everything it takes into Destiny to ensure it meets our fans' expectations, and our own,”

What kind of expectations are those ?

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antitrop said:
You're right, in that the most probable explanation is a bit of A and B.
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Yep, that's what my gut (and/or ass) tells me.

Sometime before the delay they realized they needed to make cuts for launch and shifted priorities big time. Somewhere along the line whatever story thread they originally had weaving the day-one release together just fell to pieces entirely - one casualty among many I'd assume.

Again, just a gut thing, and possibly a fever dream, but there is a smell to this release that's hard to miss.
 
antitrop said:
It's true, probably the worst thing about Joe's review is that he makes far too many assumptions about the inner workings of Bungie and Activision. He does that a lot with other games, and it almost always comes off as cheap pandering to forum conspiracy theorists and an excuse to use his little character.

I subscribe more to Hanlon's Razor philosophy:

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

In the case of Destiny, replace "stupidity" with "poor time management/planning" or something similarly inept.
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Sure. ...But he is giving Bungie the benefit of the doubt. He's assuming Activision corporate caused a lot of the problems.

That seems nicer than just assuming Bungie made bad decisions.
 
speculawyer said:
Sure. ...But he is giving Bungie the benefit of the doubt. He's assuming Activision corporate caused a lot of the problems.

That seems nicer than just assuming Bungie made bad decisions.
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Well, I think it's both. Activision guided Bungie down a certain path that probably wasn't in the best interest of the game as it stands, AND Bungie also made some very poor decisions in the basic design of the game.

Like, there wasn't anyone at Activision telling Bungie that every mission should be to deploy the robo-Dinklage and fend off waves of foes until he's done scanning the area. Pretty sure they came up with that one themselves.

Lack of interesting scenario variety, amongst many other concerns, is more likely explained by a misappropriation of resources, rather than a pure lack of talent or access to said resources.
 
devilsadvocat said:
18:24

Joe says 'the Queen was there for dlc purposes'

Yet we are getting the Queens wrath shortly for free

That was a random point I went to in the video and saw that, which right there, further proves, reviewers have zero idea what they are saying, they just want hits
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What? It's just a bunch of bounties.
 
devilsadvocat said:
18:24

Joe says 'the Queen was there for dlc purposes'

Yet we are getting the Queens wrath shortly for free

That was a random point I went to in the video and saw that, which right there, further proves, reviewers have zero idea what they are saying, they just want hits
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In a strong logical sense you can argue he is assuming to much. However, that doesn't invalidate most of his observations.

You are assuming that what's true about one part of something has to be applied to all, or other parts, of it.
 
I know it's been said before, but I'm so disappointed with the lack of matchmaking in certain modes, or any system in game to make it more convenient to form a fire team, when there are several other games Bungie could drew inspiration from if they truly didn't want to include matchmaking. I just want a quick, convenient way to get paired up with other players of whom I can forget about shortly after the mission is over, because even though I'm not social at all, going through these missions by yourself is such a bore. Honestly, if it wasn't for me actually finding some fun out of pvp recently, I would've traded this in a couple days ago and wrote Destiny off as a bad game in my book, because the campaign, and the daily/weekly strikes, are hollow, empty, and boring.
 
Rell said:
I have no problems with Destiny. The story is like...what someone who has never written or read any science fiction thinks a science fiction story is supposed to be like, but I can get past that.
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But these are very talented game designers and writers with decades of experience...that shouldn't be something that people just overlook. I'm quite lenient when it comes to judging games but even I had to shake my head.
 
BrassDragon said:
Angry Joe was one of the few early voices in defense of the Mass Effect backlash while respectable outlets were calling us 'entitled farts' and such. He has my respect for that.
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Mine too.

Such contempt without addressing the actual substance of complaints was really offputting, given that it was coming from so-called professionals.

Is it so hard to believe that a really bad ending could have ruined something? I mean were TV reviewers calling their readers entitled assholes when people were complaining about the ending of Lost?
 
devilsadvocat said:
18:24

Joe says 'the Queen was there for dlc purposes'

Yet we are getting the Queens wrath shortly for free

That was a random point I went to in the video and saw that, which right there, further proves, reviewers have zero idea what they are saying, they just want hits
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I think he was referring to the paid second expansion pack, House of Wolves. If true, and the speculation that said expansion is set in Old Russia, in areas that are already built, populated, and on disc - then yeah, it's a legitimate point that it COULD have been removed due to greed. We'll probably never know, but you can't fault him for mentioning it.
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House of Wolves is the second confirmed DLC for Destiny.[1] It will involve hunting the Fallen members of the House of Wolves who have betrayed the Queen of the Reef.[2][3][4]
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