Destiny: the taken kings new approach to story telling

Klyka said:
Nah man, Destiny 2 will be an actual stand alone game with an overhauled engine and dropping last gen support.
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Okay. But what has Bungie actually said in this regard to lead you to believe that they're looking to lose the millions of dollars they'd leave on the table by ditching PS3 and X360 players that have yet to upgrade? That may not even want to upgrade? The more 'casual' gamers as it were?
 
pixel monkey said:
Okay. But what has Bungie actually said in this regard to lead you to believe that they're looking to lose the millions of dollars they'd leave on the table by ditching PS3 and X360 players that have yet to upgrade? That may not even want to upgrade? The more 'casual' gamers as it were?
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They'll probably say the same thing as every other dev who has dropped last gen support.
 
The reviews and podcast discussion about the Taken King are going to be really interesting. I'm thinking about creating a new character just to see what Bungie's done to rework the story and how North delivers some of the more memorable Dinklebot lines. A CELL!!! FROM THE PRISON OF ELDERS!!!!
 
LifEndz said:
The reviews and podcast discussion about the Taken King are going to be really interesting. I'm thinking about creating a new character just to see what Bungie's done to rework the story and how North delivers some of the more memorable Dinklebot lines. A CELL!!! FROM THE PRISON OF ELDERS!!!!
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They've mentioned that he structure of the vanilla destiny story is overhauled. It's still the same missions but they are presented in this quest structure now.
 
pixel monkey said:
Okay. But what has Bungie actually said in this regard to lead you to believe that they're looking to lose the millions of dollars they'd leave on the table by ditching PS3 and X360 players that have yet to upgrade? That may not even want to upgrade? The more 'casual' gamers as it were?
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Combined sales of Next gen are over 30 million arent they?

With the majority of the Destiny fanbase on PS4?

I think its fine to leave last gen behind as many have already done
 
Zoba said:
The people who have been playing since launch have already spent at least $95 on the game. With TTK, the minimum a Day One player will have spent is $135. Throw on an extra $20 if you want emotes, and another $20 if you went with a collectors edition.

If this expansion brings new and old content in line with the standards of a "real MMO", then the price wont be anything unusual. But it definitely has felt like more for less.
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I spent $90 US to get all content with the Digital Guardian edition, so five bucks less. And I bought it on PS3 and got the free upgrade for the PS4 version.

With the average registered player putting in 100 hours that seems like a damn good value proposition in terms of dollars for hours.
 
people complain about destiny story, i see it more like a mmo that leave all the open doors to you live the story that will be told with the episodes of the game, the video "we are guardians" is a good example of it.

the majority of the players that i know that play wow really cares about the lore on warcraft for example, but there are a rich content for those who look for it in books of in the quest givers.

i know that it was substantialy cut from the base game, and the "chapter" about the heart of darkness has little importance or was presented as it, but i give the gift of doubt on the TTK as the grimoire card have such rich background lore.

edit: i am not expecting a very harsh blacklash on this coment ... but well, its internet haha
 
KingJ2002 said:
My gut is telling me bungie will deliver with the storytelling this time around... I just hope for skippable cutscenes.
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LOL this is how I feel about most games. "give me a good story dammit" ....... "meh I'll just skip"


..... i realize you were probably meaning skip subsequent playthroughs
 
I have over 800 hours in Destiny and enjoyed ever minute of it. Yes, Vanilla Destiny and TDB were disappointments and had dumb ideas but since HoW, Destiny has been an awesome experience and they have learned a lot.

I will give Bungie the benefit of the doubt on Destiny because I am a huge fan of theirs since Marathon and then CE to Reach. Halo was king for me back in the day and Bungie did it right with that game. Since Halo has been handed off, we have seen how 343i has handled Halo and it's been quite disappointing.

I understand people were disappointed in Vanila destiny but this is a new franchise for Bungie and for a developer with such a strong background in fps games, they are learning to how make a MMO type game.

I think Destiny gets way too much hate from people. IMO it's gameplay is top notch... No
Other console fps out there beats it...
Not even 343i's Halo MCC, which is basically Bungies Halo that they founded their gameplay with, on a terrible netcode which is 343i's fault. I pray Halo 5 doesn't have issues but we will see.

Destiny also has Trials which to me is the best thing to happen to the game since VOG was released. Trials is probably to most competitive fps game mode available right now on consoles and its damn fun and rewarding when you can go 9-0 and go to the special Lighthouse/Mercury. Not other game has given me that sense of accomplishment since probably Halo 2....


TTK is gonna be great and honestly idk how I am going to play other games like Battlefront, MGS5, and Halo 5. I still have Bloodborne and witcher 3 to play but they just don't get played because of Destiny...
 
As someone who was recently banned for shitposting about Destiny, I'm actually kinda excited about this. Seems like they're fixing a lot of stuff, even the vanilla missions.
 
Truant said:
As someone who was recently banned for shitposting about Destiny, I'm actually kinda excited about this. Seems like they're fixing a lot of stuff, even the vanilla missions.
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Well,they are fixing/changing the structure around the missions, we have no idea if anything inside the actual missions might change. I personally don't think it will.
 
pixel monkey said:
There's quite a bit of talk about 'Destiny 2' and if 'Destiny 2' does this or that, folks will consider coming back.

Just a heads up... this is Destiny 2. The 2.0 update is The Taken King. Hope to see you there.

If not, that's okay too. Lots of great games coming this autumn.
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Homeboyd said:
Oh? Source?
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Are you serious? Since before Destiny 1 even came out they've said it was a 10-year plan, with retail releases being every-other year, with larger DLCs in between them. Now there are rumors that instead of paid DLCs Destiny 2+ will be subscription based, either way "Destiny 2" has been planned for fall 2016 for a long ass time now.
 
rezn0r said:
Are you serious? Since before Destiny 1 even came out they've said it was a 10-year plan, with retail releases being every-other year, with larger DLCs in between them. Now there are rumors that instead of paid DLCs Destiny 2+ will be subscription based, either way "Destiny 2" has been planned for fall 2016 for a long ass time now.
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So much anger...

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rezn0r said:
Are you serious? Since before Destiny 1 even came out they've said it was a 10-year plan, with retail releases being every-other year, with larger DLCs in between them. Now there are rumors that instead of paid DLCs Destiny 2+ will be subscription based, either way "Destiny 2" has been planned for fall 2016 for a long ass time now.
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Obviously publishers are incapable of adapting to an ever changing market and carve all plans in stone.
 
DrROBschiz said:
Hey man

Destiny haters are more than justified which is why i dont go out of my way to challenge them

Vanilla Destiny... was basically having players bankroll development until they could build upon and flesh out the the solid skeleton they created.

That said Taken King seems to be the turning point and they reached it faster than I expected them too.

Should be a solid experience from year 2 going forward and this is just based on me catching up from Vanilla to the current expansions
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What? If what you are saying is true then me buying the 99 dollar LE was basically me being a mark, and now I should throw MORE money at them in order to enjoy what has become of it?

I'm not agreeing with your premise (I enjoyed my time with the game) but I will say that there is no way I'm spending another dime on this game.
 
Are we getting additional character slots in TTK, or do we have to delete a character if we want to experience the new mission structure and voice acting?
 
joecanada said:
What? If what you are saying is true then me buying the 99 dollar LE was basically me being a mark, and now I should throw MORE money at them in order to enjoy what has become of it?

I'm not agreeing with your premise (I enjoyed my time with the game) but I will say that there is no way I'm spending another dime on this game.
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I spent the 90 (60 for game, 30 for pass) and basically blew through the original game (except for vault of glass)

I enjoyed it too. I didnt feel completely ripped off or anything but I was disappointed like most other people

After the long break and coming back to both expansions I feel a bit more optimistic. Even more so with all the Taken King changes.

It IS hard to sit and debate the VALUE angles.... since I am basically 130 dollars invested at this point
 
rezn0r said:
Are you serious? Since before Destiny 1 even came out they've said it was a 10-year plan, with retail releases being every-other year, with larger DLCs in between them. Now there are rumors that instead of paid DLCs Destiny 2+ will be subscription based, either way "Destiny 2" has been planned for fall 2016 for a long ass time now.
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In what world would any publisher release a subscription based MMO?

Certainly not the one where Star Wars:TOR and Elder Scrolls Online flopped out of the game.
 
Saw/played TTK at Gamescom. I'm interested in buying the game again after that, they got me convinced.

And I'm one of those people who swore off the original game and never finished the story and refunded my Guardian Edition purchase.
 
Homeboyd said:
Do you have the #s for current players on last-gen?
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Unfortunately nobody but Activision knows exact numbers.

Their 2nd Quarter Results for 2015 does show roughly 20 million registered players though, but Activision hasn't said shizzle about actual units sold on current/last-gen EVER... A real conundrum ~ anyway

Hypothetically you could consider something ridiculous like:

divvy it up to 5 mil per console, but even if that were remotely possible it would naturally be safe to assume those numbers are skewed more towards current-gen; it's anybody's guess really.

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I bought Destiny at launch last year, but only played it off-and-on. I started playing again last month and I got hooked, big time. I'm level 22 now and am on the grind. I just traded in a couple of games and picked up the expansion pass for TDB and HoW. I'm kind of glad that I'm just now getting into the game, since there's a lot of content that I haven't experienced, yet. I'll be plenty busy right up and through the release of TTK.
 
I didn't progress very far in the base game due to the repetitiveness...is it like that for the rest of the game and its following expansions, and will it be like that for The Taken King?

I'd really like to get back into it.
 
KiteGr said:
My issues with the game isnt as much its grinding problems but the complete lack of content.
If a game that was in development for so many years comes out giving hardly 4 explorable areas and 4 cutscenes for the 60 euros you paid, and then barelly give anything for two extra pieces of 20 euros dlc, i cant help but feel scammed.
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People love to compare it to a MMO, but if an mmo launched with one raid with 3 bosses and the strike content converted to your standard dungeon it would get a lot of shit for not having content too.

More power to the people that love it I guess, I just don't think it offered me anything near what I was promised before launch.
 
Hahs said:
Unfortunately nobody but Activision knows exact numbers.

Their 2nd Quarter Results for 2015 does show roughly 20 million registered players though, but Activision hasn't said shizzle about actual units sold on current/last-gen EVER... A real conundrum ~ anyway

Hypothetically you could consider something ridiculous like:

divvy it up to 4 mil per console, but even if that were remotely possible it would naturally be safe to assume those numbers are skewed more towards current-gen; it's anybody's guess really.

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hey this call of duty online just made me think. Couldn't developers use old assets to publish say a COD4 in a free to play model? Cuz I think that would do amazing, but maybe its not actually saving that much money to convert to a current gen system?
 
pixel monkey said:
Okay. But what has Bungie actually said in this regard to lead you to believe that they're looking to lose the millions of dollars they'd leave on the table by ditching PS3 and X360 players that have yet to upgrade? That may not even want to upgrade? The more 'casual' gamers as it were?
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A sequel to Destiny would be the type of game to urge people to upgrade. Furthermore, I'm not convinced there's enough of an active market there to invest resources into, especially when it could affect the design.
 
rezn0r said:
Are you serious? Since before Destiny 1 even came out they've said it was a 10-year plan, with retail releases being every-other year, with larger DLCs in between them. Now there are rumors that instead of paid DLCs Destiny 2+ will be subscription based, either way "Destiny 2" has been planned for fall 2016 for a long ass time now.
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What if plans changed and this is Destiny 2? Or, there is no "Destiny 2?" Yes, I'm serious.
 
joecanada said:
hey this call of duty online just made me think. Couldn't developers use old assets to publish say a COD4 in a free to play model? Cuz I think that would do amazing, but maybe its not actually saving that much money to convert to a current gen system?
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That would compete with the model they use now. You wouldn't want people to get used to the idea that you could play CoD and have access to all its updates for nothing if you were Activision.
 
Horp said:
How can so many in this thread just seemingly trust that Bungie will deliver on the story, when the story in Destiny was such total fucking shite?

And just trusting a damn PR statement, not even a preview.

Jeez, this is the days of NeoGAF where an independent site that does a preview is getting shit on for being untrustworthy when they voice concerns because the PR people selling the game is saying the game is awesome (and they are telling the truth ofc).
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I think I can because the story has become better and better with each DLC. I just don't see Bungie going backwards when they have moved the needle so much with the 2 expansions.
 
Cleve said:
People love to compare it to a MMO, but if an mmo launched with one raid with 3 bosses and the strike content converted to your standard dungeon it would get a lot of shit for not having content too.

More power to the people that love it I guess, I just don't think it offered me anything near what I was promised before launch.
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And four zones to level in.

For all the other problems lack of content was Destiny's major failing at launch. Bungie just expected you to do this handful of activities in a handful of environments over and over and over ... well, everyone has their own tolerance for this kind of hamster wheel but it was still a meager amount of actual content spread very thin.
 
What's important for me more than just story improvements is how the missions are structured. In the vanilla game and some if not most of the expansions, it was just reusing the same areas with new enemy spawns. When I first played the campaign stuff from the beta, it felt like the patrol stuff we had done in the alpha but with dinklebot talking in my ear. I really don't like that about destiny so I'm hoping that's something they change with TTK
 
pixel monkey said:
So much anger...
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what anger? if you were being sarcastic it didn't come across correctly at all. see other posts besides mine

Seventy_X_Seven said:
Obviously publishers are incapable of adapting to an ever changing market and carve all plans in stone.
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obviously - the exact opposite of your statement sums up what has happened so far in the Destiny saga, which is why so many people are unhappy right now

Homeboyd said:
What if plans changed and this is Destiny 2? Or, there is no "Destiny 2?" Yes, I'm serious.
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of course things can change, my original point to monkey was calling TTK Destiny 2 isn't correct any way you look at it. i don't know why i even cared enough to post, go ahead and call it Destiny 2. then watch "the second Destiny" get announced for fall of next year. i think we can all agree on hoping it's closer to what Destiny could've been than what the first two years have brought. I'm positive that there will be another one, see the sales of the first game, the series is going nowhere.

To the guy that asked in what world what a sub based MMO come out - the one where Squaresoft is making a bunch of money from FF14 right now. Also, i said rumors

Edit: to add, I didn't even read monkey's earlier posts correctly as I was rushing out of work. I think we may even be agreeing in a backwards way. whatever - I hope the game gets gooder :)
 
pixel monkey said:
If a potential consumer is waiting for a game called 'Destiny 2' in this clearly episodic series... take what you will from Bungie's releases.

We can get into semantics, and call it this or that... I'm not interested in arguing.
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The Taken King is essentially a reboot of Destiny, streamlining the game's systems and rebooting the game's weapon economy. Well, update 2.0 is, and that's launching a little before TTK. Leveling has been changed, balance has been updated, and the overall flow of the game will be better. TTK is adding new stories, activities, and a brand new location for exploration. That is not a full game. TTK is a reboot of what exists now, and new players will never know. However, new players will still be playing Destiny. Not Destiny 2, but basically Destiny 1.5. While you could argue that Destiny is episodic, that's not really accurate. We've gotten bite sized additions with TDB and HoW, what should've been called Chapters rather than "Expansions," but those aren't much compared to what we should be getting in TTK. While WoW isn't really comparable to Destiny, I get Cataclysm vibes from TTK. I feel certain that TTK will be what Destiny should've been when it came out, however TTK doesn't seem to have enough content to call it a "Destiny 2," either.

If this was Destiny 2, you'd be damn sure that Bungie and Activision would be pushing that angle with really aggressive marketing. Destiny 2 should (I say should because it might not be what happens, but I hope so) more than TTK. Overall, this argument is kinda dumb, it doesn't matter if TTK is Destiny 2 or something else as long as it's good. That's all that really matters. That's just my two cents. As for ditching last gen, I don't think that'll happen soon. Seems like they do make up a sizeable portion of the playerbase.
 
I'm def loving everything I'm hearing about the changes with TTK.

Going to have to wait and see though. Burned so much on this in it's previous iteration, I'm going to have to see if they are really making the changes they are claiming. Will be glorious if they do.
 
Klyka said:
Nah man, Destiny 2 will be an actual stand alone game with an overhauled engine and dropping last gen support.

This is just version 2.0 of Destiny
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I really doubt this. I'm honestly expecting something that isn't numbered (just Destiny: *Generic subtitle that implies it's a sequel*), carries Destiny 1 progress (of course), and has a similar or superior amount of content to Destiny 1. Probably just 4 or 5 more planets/moons or something.

I think people who are expecting this brand new game or even any significant changes to the engine from the next full Destiny game are in for a rude awakening. I'll be happy to eat shitloads of crow if it happens though.
 
I've always loved the game. I'd finished the campaign end of last year then put it down, but I've always wanted to get back into playing as I personally find the way the game is structured to be hugely replay-able. The random strikes, the bountys, the public events, the grinding for better equip even though the latter takes fucking ages, it's still hugely enjoyable. I don't have any of the expansions so what do peeps think my best and cheapest move would be grab them plus TTK?
 
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