Mr. Spinnington
Banned
From both points of view (or any), there are some grains of truth. But the universe is not determined by a single means of will. One could easily argue that they had control not to attend a play, or that they went out of their way to do so and changed what may not have happened. Their free will was used and they managed to decide their own fate. Then, another could argue that they would not have attended anyway, and their actions were predetermined no matter how we look at a situation, and that free will is an artificial device humans have created so they don't feel inferior to an overall being/force.
However, how can one determine or change his fate, if one does not know what will happen prior to its occurrences? If one has plans, they are never set in stone and may always be cancelled due to a mishap... say a car crash. Now, was this fate? You had planned on something, and had an idea of your future, but it was never something certain, as is everything. Nothing is for sure to humans, so free will seems a bit flawed because we don't know what we've changed (if anything has been changed at all). You didn't have control of this accident, although you may have used your individual thought to make plans in the first place, an external force affected you indirectly. Although there may be no real connection between these forces, and there are millions of "What if?" speculations. What if you had left a few minutes earlier, would the car have hit you, instead? What if you stubbed your toe on the way out so badly that you had to stay home? Then maybe you would have viewed the 6 o'clock news and seen the crash with a different state of mind; that you may have possibly died on your way to the play... your life has been saved. What you may not know is that alternately, in the original scenario, you arrived at the intersection after the crash had happened, anyway. This whole scenario with having plans and being diverted has ended up concerned more with fate, but there are so many variables that control of a situation is a gray area. The point is that you thought you knew what would happen, but it did not, therefore throwing fate for a loop and your misconceptions about free will. Complete free will cannot exist without knowledge of all variables, although free will is not nonexistent.
The one thing that cannot successfully be argued is that there is no such thing as destiny, because NO ONE can tell the future. This also disproves an overall being, however, as to be consistent and have complete power, the being would have known all that would and will happen. And if this being were good and not evil, have used this knowledge to fix things up a little better. Some would like to argue that everything was supposed to happen as it had, despite pain and suffering. Now consider how well everything works, the whole world is one great big coincidence, although not everyone is happy. The sole possibility that there is life is such a random occurence that we can't even fathom it. It's also impossible for us to imagine when there was/is nothing, or that something wasn't created, so we formulated this force that controls everything.
Factoring in coincidences would involve the view of everything being a random occurence. Along with the view of free will, these coincidences are under our control, assuming we ultimately know that something will happen, how it will happen, and the exact time it will happen... the EXACT location of all atoms. Along with fate, these coincidences were meant to happen, and if one used free will to change a situation then that was predetermined anyway. It was destined that a situation unfold the way it had, and that one was fated to demonstrate their free will as a factor in the equation, and all other exchanges and coincidences were simply the random factors that resulted in the setup of the situation.
Of course people will want to know how and why things happen. I sit comfortable with "they just do", a lot of thigns are external to me. Still, it's very compelling to discuss and speculate. We can't help it, human thought is inevitable. That is the only sure thing.
I will elaborate if asked ; D
However, how can one determine or change his fate, if one does not know what will happen prior to its occurrences? If one has plans, they are never set in stone and may always be cancelled due to a mishap... say a car crash. Now, was this fate? You had planned on something, and had an idea of your future, but it was never something certain, as is everything. Nothing is for sure to humans, so free will seems a bit flawed because we don't know what we've changed (if anything has been changed at all). You didn't have control of this accident, although you may have used your individual thought to make plans in the first place, an external force affected you indirectly. Although there may be no real connection between these forces, and there are millions of "What if?" speculations. What if you had left a few minutes earlier, would the car have hit you, instead? What if you stubbed your toe on the way out so badly that you had to stay home? Then maybe you would have viewed the 6 o'clock news and seen the crash with a different state of mind; that you may have possibly died on your way to the play... your life has been saved. What you may not know is that alternately, in the original scenario, you arrived at the intersection after the crash had happened, anyway. This whole scenario with having plans and being diverted has ended up concerned more with fate, but there are so many variables that control of a situation is a gray area. The point is that you thought you knew what would happen, but it did not, therefore throwing fate for a loop and your misconceptions about free will. Complete free will cannot exist without knowledge of all variables, although free will is not nonexistent.
The one thing that cannot successfully be argued is that there is no such thing as destiny, because NO ONE can tell the future. This also disproves an overall being, however, as to be consistent and have complete power, the being would have known all that would and will happen. And if this being were good and not evil, have used this knowledge to fix things up a little better. Some would like to argue that everything was supposed to happen as it had, despite pain and suffering. Now consider how well everything works, the whole world is one great big coincidence, although not everyone is happy. The sole possibility that there is life is such a random occurence that we can't even fathom it. It's also impossible for us to imagine when there was/is nothing, or that something wasn't created, so we formulated this force that controls everything.
Factoring in coincidences would involve the view of everything being a random occurence. Along with the view of free will, these coincidences are under our control, assuming we ultimately know that something will happen, how it will happen, and the exact time it will happen... the EXACT location of all atoms. Along with fate, these coincidences were meant to happen, and if one used free will to change a situation then that was predetermined anyway. It was destined that a situation unfold the way it had, and that one was fated to demonstrate their free will as a factor in the equation, and all other exchanges and coincidences were simply the random factors that resulted in the setup of the situation.
Of course people will want to know how and why things happen. I sit comfortable with "they just do", a lot of thigns are external to me. Still, it's very compelling to discuss and speculate. We can't help it, human thought is inevitable. That is the only sure thing.
I will elaborate if asked ; D