March Climber
Member
I just showed proof of my original point and now you're trying to make me go and find something to match your very specific parameters?
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Developers blast the celeb-laden Game Awards as 'an embarrassing indictment of a segment of the industry desperate for validation… with little respect
I just showed proof of my original point and now you're trying to make me go and find something to match your very specific parameters?
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Of all the things to be pissed about a default message at the end of a timer used for everybody to keep things equal and the show going is not one of them tbh. Now if he wanted to say more about that and Geoff or someone went to nudge them to get on with it, sure, that'd be pretty shitty and I doubt they'd ever do that. Quest Store Operations Manager @ Meta should probably spend less energy on being a fake ass drama queen and more on making their store more indie/developer friendly instead of relegate second rate citizens to App Lab's graveyard. Also fix the PC client, fuckers.
If it's a problem developers can just, you know, not go on there, ask them to not nominate them and so on, if they really feel some things are amiss and wrong. Just like E3. Of course it's all about the money, they know people are there for the reveals and that those that are there alongside them for any reason will be getting some additional free advertising by just being there. And as for reveals you could cut, I mean, some of them are probably paying to be there - not the big names that generate buzz on their own I suppose - so they aren't going to cut any of them, same for any adverts, they aren't gonna cut them after they've shceduled everything with them included to let everyone exceed their allotted time instead. BG3 is a huge success, why even go there if like many of us they believe that it's not a legitimate awards show but a PR event that just happens to be games themed and not to the interest of gaming but to the interest of those that choose to get involved in any way? They'd probably get as much word of mouth by announcing they don't want to be nominated and dedicating their success, sans award, wherever they want.
Oh right, they do want to be part of such a grand, clickbaity, bullshit driven PR event, they do want to make more money and pretend they're more valuable because they got an award thanks to its existence rather than make some boring GDC-like merit driven talk show nobody other than other game developers will ever attend, so here we are, they feed Geoff and Geoff feeds them and that's the show. Dude got famous over roasting Reggie with stupid Nintendo Wii is teh kiddy weak sauce and teh suck stuff, never thought he had anything interesting to say about gaming.
That's what people want, bullshit pretending to be Hollywood (another can of worms). And they so want to be Hollywood and write the awards and stars and stripes in their bios and everything. It's their own creation tbh, without them Geoff wouldn't have been able to get this off the ground.
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ikbalCO
Member
Then how would geoff get to hang out with willy wonka?
digoutyoursoul
Member
I like Hideo’s games, the way Geoff ovulates over him almost every year is cringe tho . Geoff hypes some underwhelming shite too “incredible “ when talking about the Apex/FF trailer, come on man, who the fuck are you kidding. Each year he gets more and more smug. He knows what really gets people hyped and if the publishers devs are not providing it he lays it on too thick to compensate.
One of the loudest audience reactions last night was free DLC for God of War, says a lot
One of the loudest audience reactions last night was free DLC for God of War, says a lot
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Mibu no ookami
Banned
It was all in good fun. They know their campaign is short... At this point they should just stop putting out campaigns.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
I just showed proof of my original point and now you're trying to make me go and find something to match your very specific parameters?
I told you that people don't skip the oscars or awards that are important to them.
And your evidence that they do is Cumberbatch skipping the emmys for a tv special that he did on a show he was tired of doing?
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
Dont have the link at the moment but they didnt take it as good fun. IGN had an article on it today
RickMasters
Member
Agreed. I was glad to see Larian and remedy get their dues and they were the stars of the show of the night. Outside of that. I was most interested in the game reveals. Everytime the show got boring I just hopped on the gaf to see how you guys were feeling about the show
All now….. I still don’t know what the fuck I was watching with the kojima stuff. I’m gonna take a guess and say it’s horror game tho.
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RickMasters
Member
And Sam lake.
Shut0wen
Banned
E3 has random members of the public who spend money to get tickets, game awards doesnt have that, also they do have advert placements around the place just not tv ads, game awards relys on views, more views you get the more companys pay for adverts, itd the whole reason why they get pointless celebrities i wouldnt be surprised if some publishers pay the awards a fee to put a trailer on the show, especially since every year trailers for games just keeps going up
Mibu no ookami
Banned
I see the article, but I think it is important that we stop saying because 3 people out of thousands who have worked on a game had hurt feelings that that represents all of them
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Everyone crying about Kojima is hilarious. He's the one fucking guy who deserves to be there making videogames for 40 years.
bender
What time is it?
Say what you want about the Dorito Pope but his heart is in the right place and the show is moving in the right direction and feels less and less like a skeezy infomercial each year that it matures. There are fanatical realities to putting on a show like this so you need premiers to attract eyeballs and advertisements to pay for the whole shebang.
Often forgotten when people bitch about Kojima's love for movies and drawn out narratives is the mechanical complexity and attention to detail found in his titles. The mutual affection he and Geoff have for each other is easy to dunk on but they've had a close relationship since Geoff wrote The Final Hours of MGS2 which was over 20 years ago.
Often forgotten when people bitch about Kojima's love for movies and drawn out narratives is the mechanical complexity and attention to detail found in his titles. The mutual affection he and Geoff have for each other is easy to dunk on but they've had a close relationship since Geoff wrote The Final Hours of MGS2 which was over 20 years ago.
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blue velvet
Member
Kojima and his constant Hollywood clout chasing is so sad at this point. Doesn't help that this industry love stroking his ego.
mitch1971
Member
What? So, who were the ones going up on stage to get an award?
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indigo-cyclops
Member
Peele fawned over Kojima most of his time on stage. I know we all laugh about Kojima's reputation and elevated status but the guy is so self-absorbed and gets a huge pass for it.
Killer8
Member
You know in terms of the criticism of using celebrities and ads, it's quite comical in a way. Games fought for decades to get mainstream acceptance and now that that has arrived, with all of the same aspects which every other industry embraces, suddenly a few people want to treat gaming as even above that, deserving some sort of special, prestigious status.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
A lower priority compared to viewers.
mitch1971
Member
So again, I repeat, why have a developers awards show when people tune in for everything else but the awards? Do you see what I'm say?
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Because lower priority groups still benefit the overall package (to a lesser degree)
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
Why are they trying to make this like the academy awards? No one is interested in that shit, just make it about the developers, minimise the use or inclusion of any celebrities, even in the games themselves stop using them.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The whole kojima segment (including trailer) was 8 and a half minutes.
Comparatively, Larian were given less around 1 minute when they got on stage to accept the GoTY award.
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bender
What time is it?
You've got GDC that is developer focused.
McConaughey aside, unless I'm misremember, most of the celebs on stage seemed to have genuine affection for gaming. I'd also guess they are a bigger draw than the awards themselves to most viewers but all lag behind the game announcements.
ben star was robed.
i understand the need to advertise, maintain the perception of the game industry for business relations and give kids a feeling they belong to something, etc but you couldn't pay me to watch this kind of garbage, i've always seen these kind of show this way and never ever once was i ever excited or looked forward to any kind of these shows.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
On one hand the celeb fawning *is* cringe.
On the other do these people actually believe that anyone gives a shit about them either?
Seriously; no one needs a fucking televised awards show to be "validated". Its physically impossible to thank everyone in the core team without boring the audience's tits off! And that core team is a microcosm of how many people are involved in total on most of these corporate scale products, so basically its never going to equitable or close to fair.
These people just wish they were Kojima.
My advice to them is simple: If YOU want to be that "star", you better get to work promoting yourselves like Kojima has done for years! If you want the showbiz treatment, you need to play that game on top of handling your business in the day job.
Just saying, the games industry is about creating, and putting those creations up for public scrutiny. There's no shortage of feedback, and thanking the team or any individual within the team doesn't require a platform like an awards show. Just say it to them in person.
On the other do these people actually believe that anyone gives a shit about them either?
Seriously; no one needs a fucking televised awards show to be "validated". Its physically impossible to thank everyone in the core team without boring the audience's tits off! And that core team is a microcosm of how many people are involved in total on most of these corporate scale products, so basically its never going to equitable or close to fair.
These people just wish they were Kojima.
My advice to them is simple: If YOU want to be that "star", you better get to work promoting yourselves like Kojima has done for years! If you want the showbiz treatment, you need to play that game on top of handling your business in the day job.
Just saying, the games industry is about creating, and putting those creations up for public scrutiny. There's no shortage of feedback, and thanking the team or any individual within the team doesn't require a platform like an awards show. Just say it to them in person.
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Rendered Tangent
Banned
The "celebrity" thing is about mainstream acceptance and appreciation, no?
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Let’s cut the shit. NO ONE watching this gives a fuck about who wins the awards, the celebs, or the devs.
We just want to see trailers for new games.
Post the award list online, let them record however long acceptance they want video and attach it to it, and the 4 greasy fucks who care can go pull it up.
Turn the show into just a 1.5 hour E3 in December of reveals.
We just want to see trailers for new games.
Post the award list online, let them record however long acceptance they want video and attach it to it, and the 4 greasy fucks who care can go pull it up.
Turn the show into just a 1.5 hour E3 in December of reveals.
Pelta88
Member
Me in 2022
www.neogaf.com
I didn't watch it this year and beyond the Ragnarok DLC trailer... I didn't miss anything.
Geoff Keighley revealed the fickleness of GOTY awards with "some" gamers
I didn't realize the fickleness of gamers in regards to GOTY awards and nominations... Call me "old school" but GOTY, has always been an accumulation of awards from respected gaming collectives. Gamers and journalists often banded together in websites and/or blogs giving the nod to a standout...
I didn't watch it this year and beyond the Ragnarok DLC trailer... I didn't miss anything.
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Lokaum D+
Member
If u wanna be humane, just mail the award and show me trailers, 45 min is more than enough time, dont make your audience suffer for 3.5 hours.
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Sleepwalker
Member
I just watched the show, it was fun. I have no problem with the keeping speeches short, I skipped through a lot of them. Devs can hold their own dev talks where they can talk in depth and I won't tune in.
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Nonehxc
Member
Ya know you're all complaining like old ladies at the fish shop because the Cod went up...like always...like every year? 
Not saying that complaining about Larian's director remembrance of a departed dev is bad, that's a fair paddlin' to Geoff.
But every year you complain about DorPop and tis and tat and whers mi gayme whi no Ecsbocs Soni Nintendu and De Gayme Ackwards... it's tiring, please.
Go play some games, have fun, and stop being so obnoxiously snowflakey about a stupid nerd awards show.
I, for one, thought it was the best in a few years. Maybe not big announcements from the Big 3, but pacing was pretty good. And I think they nailed the developer showcase part, giving lots of unknown or not so big developers the spotlight instead of being a huge speaker for the usual big publishers and hardware makers.
Also, Alan Wake 2 and Baldur's Gate 3 mopped the floor with everyone else.
I finished, now you can continue complaining like crusty menopausic bitches.
Not saying that complaining about Larian's director remembrance of a departed dev is bad, that's a fair paddlin' to Geoff.
But every year you complain about DorPop and tis and tat and whers mi gayme whi no Ecsbocs Soni Nintendu and De Gayme Ackwards... it's tiring, please.
Go play some games, have fun, and stop being so obnoxiously snowflakey about a stupid nerd awards show.
I, for one, thought it was the best in a few years. Maybe not big announcements from the Big 3, but pacing was pretty good. And I think they nailed the developer showcase part, giving lots of unknown or not so big developers the spotlight instead of being a huge speaker for the usual big publishers and hardware makers.
Also, Alan Wake 2 and Baldur's Gate 3 mopped the floor with everyone else.
I finished, now you can continue complaining like crusty menopausic bitches.
Hypereides
Member
I didn't watch it live and feel like I practically missed out on nothing.Me in 2022
Geoff Keighley revealed the fickleness of GOTY awards with "some" gamers
I didn't realize the fickleness of gamers in regards to GOTY awards and nominations... Call me "old school" but GOTY, has always been an accumulation of awards from respected gaming collectives. Gamers and journalists often banded together in websites and/or blogs giving the nod to a standout...
I didn't watch it this year and beyond the Ragnarok DLC trailer... I didn't miss anything.
Each year Keighley manages to make gamers take his bait. Hook, line and sinker.
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Rendered Tangent
Banned
That's not true.
Just because YOU aren't interested, or I might not be interested (which I'm not), does not mean there aren't people who do care and are watching because they want to see who wins which award.
The trailers for new games are nice, of course, and I agree many people want to see them.
Ultimately, if nobody was watching and there were no cache in winning the award the ceremony would cease to exist and nobody is going to throw money down the drain for nothing.
Brigandier
Member
Telling winners to hurry up and get the fuck off the stage whilst unfunny cringe shitty actors like that Mackie guy who stank the stage out for 5 mins+ to announce an award was very questionable.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
But what about the people that like 80% of the show? I want more than trailers. Some of us are cultured.
WitchHunter
Banned
Who is the idiot here? Why do you need a group of clowns to give you an award?
Do you know wtf is Grigori Perelman? The guy who solved the poincare conjecture? And when he was said to attend the award ceremony for the fields medal, he just said:
"I'm not interested in money or fame; I don't want to be on display like an animal in a zoo."
And he declined the 1 million dollar that comes with the award too...
He is the king here, not the clowns who offer the award. Those people should come to his house and give him the award, end of story. So in essence you make a ceremony to give award to someone who is 15x more talented than you... The devs are the king, why they need peasants to give them a reward? Why do they feel belittled when they receive nothing, when the whole system reeks and it's a shitshow... is beyond me.
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WhamBamThankYouMaam
Member
Maybe it wouldn’t be so god damn expensive if they just skipped all the celebs?
I just watch it as a trailer-playlist the day after.
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Lokaum D+
Member
Go read a book or watch the Oscars.
Shut0wen
Banned
Thats what i was saying, he has to find a middle ground, these celebs lure ad companys to offer the largest amount of money to advertise on the show but at the same time there really is no reason to have the amount that we had, its not like the oscars that literally pays for itself with the amount of star power that it has
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
Interesting take, considering we have drama articles about game development discussed about twice a week around here, all year long.
Why even show up for the event if it’s blatantly not about the games of the year, but the games of next year?
Devs should just stay home and be like “oh, our game won? Gee, thanks, now wrap that trophy up and ship it here, we’ll have a thank you video up on YT and it’ll be as long as it takes for us to actually express gratitude to our fans.” This way there’ll be even more time to fellate Kojima onstage for showing an evolution of the tech used for Cain’s face in RoboCop 2.
donkey_oaty
Member
They should consider themselves lucky that he didn't shit on it for 8 minutes.