Devil's Advocate: Why should I trust Nintendo Switch to be any different than Wii U?
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Infinite_Daremo
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You can't. But unifying their mobile and console divisions should allow their game output to be more efficient. I still imagine 3rd party support to be dead in the water after the initial launch hypes died down.
Jawmuncher
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You should be skeptical. Hell im still skeptical. After the Wii and WiiU. Unless Snake in smash is in there, I might wait a bit to see how things play out.
bobbychalkers
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Its their only piece of hardware this go-around. aside from some late 3DS games its getting all their attention.
Earthpainting
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I guess it depends on what you expect from it. I am primarily a handheld gamer, and Nintendo's always done right by me in that scene. I see no reason why Switch would break this trend in this regard. If you're talking about Switch as a WiiU successor, then it can only improve from here for the aforementioned handheld ecosystem reasons. You're not going to get the high-end third party support, but if that expectation was still there after two decades of contrary evidence, your trust problems extend far beyond mere the consumer level type.
DrROBschiz
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The difference being Nintendo isnt going to abandon developing for the platform and wont gouge us on Memory
Completely flipped setup
semiconscious
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um, you shouldn't? not seeing any kinda 'devil's advocate' thing here whatever. just common sense
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The Strokes
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You shouldn't. Wait a year after it has come out, see how it performs, see what games are coming out and then judge for yourself.
Father_Brain
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No one's forcing you to buy one on launch day, or within six months of launch, or even within a year of launch. Wait and judge for yourself.
depends on what you mean by "third party support" I guess
I'm expecting the Switch to be an indie haven
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Muchi Muchi Pink
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Because you judge a console after it is released.
outunderthestars
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This really shouldn't have to be said, but apparently it does.
FreedomFighter
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The whole point of the Switch is to stop spreading Nintendo's teams across two platforms - which leads to excruciating droughts. We saw Nintendo combine their software and hardware dev teams. The writing's on the wall... the Switch is going to get the most steady stream of 1st party software yet.
Don't believe me, just watch...
Don't believe me, just watch...
Yuppers.
You can't be certain about some things. The same thing can be said about the Vita and Sony (and wether or not they plan to release any new handhelds in the future)
The Switch is based on a fundemantally different concept than the wii u which was build on top of the wii concept. Nintendo is showing that they have learned from their mistakes by a couple of points:
First: Switch has a very modern and powerful architecture which in contrasts to the Wii U's one isn't 15 year old tech. That alone is less of a hurdle for devs to put their games on the systems because it is scaleable and supports a lot of modern API's like Vulkan for instance.
Second: Their marketing is very different this time. Targeting young adults not only shows Nintendo's consciousness regarding the marketing failure for the Wii U, it also includes young kids due to the idea of "things adults do must be cool".
Third: By connecting they handeld and console divisions, Nintendo will be able to fully support on console only (I am certain that the Switch is meant to replace not only the Wii U but also the 3DS effectively at the end of next year). That means less droughts between game releases and more games in total.
These arguments should give you an idea how things will play out. I'm can't guarantee the success of the Switch but it will be much more successful than the Wii U.
You can argue about third party games skipping the Switch, but thats only because of the missing sales in this moment. I am certain that you will see much more third party titles once the Switch start selling good.
The Switch is based on a fundemantally different concept than the wii u which was build on top of the wii concept. Nintendo is showing that they have learned from their mistakes by a couple of points:
First: Switch has a very modern and powerful architecture which in contrasts to the Wii U's one isn't 15 year old tech. That alone is less of a hurdle for devs to put their games on the systems because it is scaleable and supports a lot of modern API's like Vulkan for instance.
Second: Their marketing is very different this time. Targeting young adults not only shows Nintendo's consciousness regarding the marketing failure for the Wii U, it also includes young kids due to the idea of "things adults do must be cool".
Third: By connecting they handeld and console divisions, Nintendo will be able to fully support on console only (I am certain that the Switch is meant to replace not only the Wii U but also the 3DS effectively at the end of next year). That means less droughts between game releases and more games in total.
These arguments should give you an idea how things will play out. I'm can't guarantee the success of the Switch but it will be much more successful than the Wii U.
You can argue about third party games skipping the Switch, but thats only because of the missing sales in this moment. I am certain that you will see much more third party titles once the Switch start selling good.
Yes, common sense.
I think this forum can't escape the "Nintendo is doomed" mantra of so many people that these threads pop up all the time.
Poetic.Injustice
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If everyone waits and sees the Switch will bomb regardless.
You need to buy the console on blind trust to get games. The same happened with the PS4 early on and only now has it gotten a decent game library.
You need to buy the console on blind trust to get games. The same happened with the PS4 early on and only now has it gotten a decent game library.
sugarhigh4242
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I don't see why this is the "devil's advocate" position. I thought skepticism was the consensus.
Fwiw, Switch is the first Nintendo system since N64 that looks like something I'd want to buy. The chassis looks like it was designed for people who can be trusted with an iPad.
If nothing else, the possibility of portable Skyrim is compelling. I'm kind of shocked it hasn't been possible before now. If they get Rocket League on there, I will have to buy it.
The Tegra hardware will be underpowered compared to PS4/Xbone, but should still be a decent upgrade over the WiiU.
My biggest concern is with online functionality. Nintendo has never produced a passable online system implementation.
Fwiw, Switch is the first Nintendo system since N64 that looks like something I'd want to buy. The chassis looks like it was designed for people who can be trusted with an iPad.
If nothing else, the possibility of portable Skyrim is compelling. I'm kind of shocked it hasn't been possible before now. If they get Rocket League on there, I will have to buy it.
The Tegra hardware will be underpowered compared to PS4/Xbone, but should still be a decent upgrade over the WiiU.
My biggest concern is with online functionality. Nintendo has never produced a passable online system implementation.
Yeah, that's the smart approach but at the same time if everyone took it then hardware launches would be fucked.
Maybe wait for next week. Might clarify some things. The concept itself was pretty clear in the announcement trailer so I am looking forward to Nintendos plans and the Switch release.
DryvBy
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The only thing I really care about is Nintendo's first party. Nintendo hasn't been my primary console since the Gamecube. And if I can finally play Pokemon on a big screensince I hate handheldsthen I'm fine with the purchase.
But I feel they've been pretty bad at consoles since the Wii. The WiiU actually has more enjoyable games than the Wii, and that's only a handful. We'll see how Switch works.
But I feel they've been pretty bad at consoles since the Wii. The WiiU actually has more enjoyable games than the Wii, and that's only a handful. We'll see how Switch works.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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Bullshit. It only "bombs" if sales don't pick up at any point. If the switch has enough content and people buy it later, it didn't "bomb".
DriftingSpirit
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I wonder about this.
Sony Bend, for example, was primarily a PS Vita dev before that ship sunk and they moved to PS4. They are now making an open world game for the PS4. They've seemingly been working on it for a while but the game would be lucky to hit this year. 2018 seems most likely.
If we carry this over to the Switch/3DS situation, shouldn't it be more about what the 3DS devs are making? If they plan on making games on par with the Switch's bigger games, it is going to take a while for games to come out. Even mid-sized game should take a cool minute.
Overall, when everything is said and done with the Switch, there will more than likely be a bigger list of quality games you can compile in comparison to the Wii U. However, I don't know if that necessarily means a steady stream of games on a yearly basis. Game development is too arduous to be certain of something like that.
That wouldn't entirely be Nintendo's fault either but it would obviously be interpreted that way because people (internet forums) are expecting significant quantity differences and yearly pacing.
I get the idea but I just think what I proposed is something to consider.
Devilgunman
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In term of 3rd party support, the Switch will not be very different from the WiiU. We will get a few big 3rd party games here and there but in the end people will buy the Switch to play Nintendo games just like they did to every previous Nintendo console. However, the main difference of the Switch to WiiU will be its longevity. Nintendo won't abandon it as fast as they did with the WiiU because this is the only hardware they will have in the market.
If you don't feel like you could justify the cost of the hardware on the games available at the time of purchase, don't buy the hardware. Wait a while and see if later on you can justify it. This is regardless of first or third parties. I personally feel a ±300 Zelda / MK / Splatoon machine I can play without holding the TV hostage is fine by me, but I'm not trusting it to be anything beyond that. I hope it is, but I'm not buying it out of that hope.
Consumerism shouldn't be about trust, it should be about informed decision and the balance between what you want and what's available. Don't trust Nintendo, don't trust the Switch to be more than the Wii U. It's fine.
Consumerism shouldn't be about trust, it should be about informed decision and the balance between what you want and what's available. Don't trust Nintendo, don't trust the Switch to be more than the Wii U. It's fine.
Or unless you just want to because you like it.
I do think we'll have smaller 3DS-sized experiences (in HD of course) along with larger Wii U type experiences.
Captain Toad on Wii U is a good example of a smaller 3DS-sized experience on an HD console. They sold it for less money and developed it in under 12 months. Yet the quality was high and the graphics were spectacular. I think we'll see more games like this on Switch.
In fact, I think we'll see brand new 1st party games that run the gamut from small $5 experiences to full fledged $60 titles as well as every price point between those two.
sixteen-bit
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b/c lightning never strikes twice
AquaWateria
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Also you shouldn't trust any company until they bring the goods.
Have you not been paying attention? This will have Nintendo's entire home console and portable console output on one device. I'd be surprised if software shortage is an issue as that's a lot of games.
always crazy bacon
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Ask the same question Gamecube vs Wii. I have good hope for the Switch. Backfoot Nintendo is the best Nintendo.
TriangularDuck
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If you're happy with the first party output for the Wii U and 3DS, the Switch is an absolute no brainer. I'll be happy if I can buy third party titles for it instead of my PS4 or Bone, but I'm not expecting to be.
YuriLowell
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It will have the combined outputs from the handheld and console divisions.
You buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games.
The switch won't change that analogy one bit.
You buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games.
The switch won't change that analogy one bit.
The main different is Nintendo won't be splitting their resources between two platforms anymore.
So, theoretically, instead of a year that gets 5 good first party games on Wii U and 5 good first party games on 3DS, you'd be getting 10 good first party games on Switch.
From a third party perspective... I'm not expecting much different. Nintendo continues to march to the beat of their own drum. But if increased first party output increases sales... who knows.
So, theoretically, instead of a year that gets 5 good first party games on Wii U and 5 good first party games on 3DS, you'd be getting 10 good first party games on Switch.
From a third party perspective... I'm not expecting much different. Nintendo continues to march to the beat of their own drum. But if increased first party output increases sales... who knows.
sugarhigh4242
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PS4 had many great games in its first year though. And there was never any doubt that PS4 would be one of the primary platforms for 3rd party publishers.
This is the only reason why I'll bite into a switch and if nintendo decides to cut it off short and release another handheld unit because things turn sour I will write them off entirely from that point.
Hippopuncher12
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You shouldn't trust it to be honest. I am in the same boat love Nintendo and although I enjoyed my Wii U occasionally it just never got the support it needed. I assume since the Switch is mobile it will have far better support but I am waiting until it has a good library.
Jaded Alyx
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Mmhm. One of a number of people who either forgot the 3DS is a thing or just fails to consider it for whatever reason.
calc84maniac
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I didn't think of it that way before regarding the kids, that actually makes a weird sort of sense.
I mean, look at all those 12-year-olds playing Call of Duty.
What's certainly amazingly confusing to me, is how Nintendo, rather than being all "let's forget about WiiU" is making EVERYTHING to present the Switch as a rebranded WiiU.
"It's a home console"
Its most important game is a WiiU game
It's filled with WiiU remasters.
I'm almost surprise they didn't call it WiiUP
I think i know why Nintendo does that, but it can backfire badly. I think for Nintendo, the Switch is a new hardware generation, but NOT a new software generation. For them WiiU was a biig step ahead in term of how they produce games, production value wise. It's their next gen. It was a failure cause of the hardware concept. So they're basically like "No way it was for nothing, we reboot it (software wise) like nothing happened!"
Except this is really risky of course.
Not that much if the Switch is pretty fast a good 3ds successor, cause that market is huge. But risky if it's perceived as a home console by everyone (the soft will tell)
"It's a home console"
Its most important game is a WiiU game
It's filled with WiiU remasters.
I'm almost surprise they didn't call it WiiUP
I think i know why Nintendo does that, but it can backfire badly. I think for Nintendo, the Switch is a new hardware generation, but NOT a new software generation. For them WiiU was a biig step ahead in term of how they produce games, production value wise. It's their next gen. It was a failure cause of the hardware concept. So they're basically like "No way it was for nothing, we reboot it (software wise) like nothing happened!"
Except this is really risky of course.
Not that much if the Switch is pretty fast a good 3ds successor, cause that market is huge. But risky if it's perceived as a home console by everyone (the soft will tell)
DrROBschiz
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I think this will be the best Nintendo Hardware release since Wii (And I only consider Wii a trendy brand success since they couldn't build off of it)
Im feeling really good about it
Im feeling really good about it