At the same time, cost wise, AMD is multiple classes cheaper than Nvidia price wise here, so
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DF: AMD FSR 4 Upscaling Tested vs DLSS 3/4 & - A Big Leap Forward - RDNA 4 Delivers!
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64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
the fact the FSR4 thread has more replies than the 9070 XT reviews is funny
GHG
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Firstly they needed an immediate solution for the new hardware they just released.
Secondly, the work they did with AMD on PSSR contributed to the advancements made with FSR4:
vaibhavpisal
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Next gen xbox is going to feature an amazing upscaler in 2026, thats for sure.
Skifi28
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It's a novel way to shit at Sony so I'm not really surprised.
I need time to watch all these videos man
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
This bodes well for next generation machines.
Even if I'm out of the console game, still excited to see how things go.
No more Nvidia GPU begging cuz AMD finally have a solution that's actually comparable to DLSS.
Don't understand why FSR4 isn't tested on Nvidia GPUs they have higher Int8 TOPS counts?
Don't tell AMD is arbitrarily blocking this tech to RDNA4 only?
Even if I'm out of the console game, still excited to see how things go.
No more Nvidia GPU begging cuz AMD finally have a solution that's actually comparable to DLSS.
Don't understand why FSR4 isn't tested on Nvidia GPUs they have higher Int8 TOPS counts?
Don't tell AMD is arbitrarily blocking this tech to RDNA4 only?
Mister Wolf
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Only works on RDNA4. Been known for a while, but AMD has been looking at RDNA3 integration.
The fact that a year ago people were boasting about Nvidia being the only choice because of DLSS CNN and yet here we are with two better versions one for Nvidia and one for AMD should be applauded.
Some more reading shows that DLSS Transformer is better at texture quality but FSR4 is better with particle details, that seems to be where they are trading blows.
Some more reading shows that DLSS Transformer is better at texture quality but FSR4 is better with particle details, that seems to be where they are trading blows.
Codeblew
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Well, PS5 Pro owners are happy they didn't wait 4 extra years for ai upscaling.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
FSR4 better be compatible with the Steam Deck 2's APU BTW. This kind of image quality on a device with a screen that small would enable me to save so much wattage
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bryanee
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Yup. And when implemented well it looks fantastic. Stellar blade, wukong and bunch more all look lovely with pssr.
All this tech will continue to get better over time. Win, win for everyone.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
I knew it didn't work on RDNA3 due to low Int8 TOPS but Nvidia cards have higher Int8 TOPS than the 9070XT what's stopping them from running FSR4?
Codeblew
Member
In your screenshot, FS3 to FS4 performance is 7.4% slower while cnn to transformer is 19.7% slower.No it's not, see I can cherry pick when to screenshot too...
GHG
Gold Member
Because AMD have finally decided to start fighting fire with fire.
Good on them for it too.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
GHG
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Depends on what generation of card they are currently on.
viveks86
Member
Yeah funny how several people kept correcting me when I was skeptical of Pro compatibility with FSR 4.
"Acshually, it is just an inference engine, it can run on any ML hardware."
It's so hard for people to wait for actual info and dependencies. Question is, will PSSR still be relevant next gen? They might as well work with AMD and have just one solution in the market and use the resources to build other things, like ray reconstruction etc.
ThisIsMyDog
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Is it able to operate below quality setting is the key question. FSR3 has issues but at 4K quality they are generally not noticeable, but anything below quality is immediately a mess. With DLSS 4 being able to use performance to create 4K surprisingly well, AMD need to be able to the same - especially in the mid range they are aiming for.
GHG
Gold Member
I get that, but if you're on a 20xx series card (or a 10xx series card which can't use it anyway) then you'll likely be looking at an upgrade for performance reasons alone.
What this now means is that AMD has become a viable option for those people.
yamaci17
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you didn't even bother watching the video did you
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what's the ground truth image quality? To me it appears like the 9070 XT on FSR 4 has a similar result to the old DLSS CNN model but 9070XT/FSR4 performs worse. 112fps vs 133fps. DLSS transformer model has a less than 3.5% lower fps but much better image quality.Seems to be a lot more performant than the Transformer model, at least in Rift Apart.
Honestly, the performance cost of DLSS4 is unacceptable in this case. It's 19% slower than DLSS3. Sure, you get much better IQ, but you're also knocked down an entire GPU class.
viveks86
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After watching the whole video, I must say, Alex did a great job with the analysis. Unbiased and evidence based.
The entire video was done with performance mode comparisons. Looks great!
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Luipadre
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you can force it in the driver for games that have fsr 3.1 support
Gaiff
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Rift Apart seems to be an outlier. Tim from HU has an entire video dedicated to DLSS4 and the performance doesn't typically drop by a whopping 20% like with Rift Apart compared to DLSS3. It's more around 7-9%.
In terms of quality: DLSS4>FSR4>=DLSS3.
Rudius
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Yeah, just look at the distance between the blue line and the green line (DLSS), much larger than the yellow and red (FSR).Seems to be a lot more performant than the Transformer model, at least in Rift Apart.
Honestly, the performance cost of DLSS4 is unacceptable in this case. It's 19% slower than DLSS3. Sure, you get much better IQ, but you're also knocked down an entire GPU class.
A good comparison would be between native 1080p and DLSS/FSR in 4K performance mode. That will show the true cost of upscaling.
twilo99
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Best case for AMD is actually maintaining their current market share instead of losing more to Nvidia
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Nope, caught red handed, saw the image comparing it to FSR 3 performance mode and thought why bother when even FSR balanced is dog shit. Good to see that they are already pretty close to Nvidia at the 'performance' level. Close enough that I wouldn't probably care or notice.
viveks86
Member
That still suggests that it is more performant (like others have pointed out). In addition, the 5070 Ti has almost double the TOPs and the 9070XT generally performs slightly behind in ray tracing workloads. Transformer is currently the heavier model, though clearly still much ahead in terms of quality.No it's not, see I can cherry pick when to screenshot too...
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Rudius
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In terms of price it is 9700 XT vs 5070, not the TI.At the same time, cost wise, AMD is multiple classes cheaper than Nvidia price wise here, so
599 to 749 is a huge difference, while 599 to 549 is less than a new game, and, in my opinion, worth it for the extra 4GB alone.
If we could imagine a 9700XT with 12GB of ram for the same price of the 5070, or a 5070 with 16GB, the 9700XT would be massively more performant for the same price.
I'm more concerned about the fact that the image quality seems to have regressed slightly in terms of particle effects with a performance hit on FSR4. Meaning it looks like AMD have DLSS30/CNN like image quality with only a 3.5% gain in performance over DLSS4 Transformer.
What is the native 4k ground truth image like? They should always have that as reference.
Insane Metal
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This is a game changer for AMD. Hopefully they manage to keep up.
Where are you getting this? Multiple videos have pointed out that FSR4 is handling particles sometimes better than DLSS Transformer.
vaibhavpisal
Member
I think 8gb cards from Nvidia is going to bury themselves in entry level.
AMD should offer 7700xt level performance in 9060xt with a 12 gb ram. Together with this upscaler and rt performance, it will be a proper home run for them.
So you're comparing one screenshot out of context compared to the videos showing it in motion?
viveks86
Member
The DLSS4 comparison seemed pointless. I don't think it even worked. Looked identical (and better in some aspects) to 3.7 though, which is great.
Given that this is much closer to DLSS 3.7, I guess this is currently doing better than PSSR in terms of quality? I guess there is no way to meaningfully compare which is better performing, given the TOPs requirements.
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Buggy Loop
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Seems to be a lot more performant than the Transformer model, at least in Rift Apart.
Honestly, the performance cost of DLSS4 is unacceptable in this case. It's 19% slower than DLSS3. Sure, you get much better IQ, but you're also knocked down an entire GPU class.
Not sure what's going on in these graphs at DF but, its typically more in the range of 5~10%
SweetTooth
Gold Member
People here are throwing shade at Sony because they were innovative and managed to carve a competitive custom solution out of their available specs. That's exactly why I love Sony, always thinking ahead and taking matter to their hands.
That's why they are number one and MS/Nintendo are simply taking whatever sh*t has been thrown out at them by AMD/Nvidia.
Notice that Sony managed a custom solution that workes on RDNA2 that competes with latest DLSS CNN, AMD...and with Project Amethyst I believe we will have great things for the upcoming most powerful console on earth (PS6)
That's why they are number one and MS/Nintendo are simply taking whatever sh*t has been thrown out at them by AMD/Nvidia.
Notice that Sony managed a custom solution that workes on RDNA2 that competes with latest DLSS CNN, AMD...and with Project Amethyst I believe we will have great things for the upcoming most powerful console on earth (PS6)
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twilo99
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Nvidia has a massive mindshare advantage so it really makes no difference what AMD is doing. They will have to sell their cards for $200 to get anything meaningful going on in terms of market share.
It very similar to the console market…