Angelus Errare
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I Saw The Devil.
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I Saw The Devil.
Are you using charged up + blessed ground? In packs it will proc rally (charged up hits proc. Proc coefficients on Dot Runes is like .033 which is why even with charged up it procs are low in single target instances) and when you stack it with FoTH Divine Well it gets crazy, to the point that you can spam impactful bombardments/every other cool down skill (blessed ground + provoke charged up = effective cool down while Akarat's Champion is up. The three have good synergy).
If you mean by itself then yeah it sucks, but if you are using Heavens Fury Blessed Ground (or any of the DoT runes) without provoke charged up then you are dong it wrong imo (if you are going to consider synergy then you need to include the whole kit).
Slap blessed ground with charged up, Akarat up and dive into elite packs as bombardments and condemns fly. you also gain the benefit of provoke spam which will give you near infiinite wrath (if you have the 4 piece set bonus. I still run into wrath spam issues as I only have 1 piece of the set still).
The only issue I run into is single target takes longer since it procs less, but I now take stuff like bowmen (whose idea was it at bliz to not have these proc rally. It wouldn't be broken at all if they did and is the only issue I have with this rune on Phalanx. Especially when you consider that shield bearers do proc rally with charged up active) and impactful bombardment to counter that issue.
As far as a Blessed Shield build, i'm still looking for the weapon and shield. Build looks amazing if you do not have the sader set.
Ah, really? Oh well, I'm sure she wouldn't mind having one then if it does happen.
Think it's act 3.
After Kadala gave me my fourth Povertyball. I was down in the dumps and seriously thinking of quitting this game. Decided to plough on for the night instead and told myself if I don't find a good/useful legendary before the end of tonight, I'll be done with the game for good.
Joined a public T3 game. Hit a rift. Random monster drops a leg belt just before the Rift Guardian appears. I pick it up and thought, "if this isn't Witching Hour, I'm done". Opened my inventory, belt looks suspiciously familiar behind the ? icon. ID'ed it:
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It's for a DH and I'm a goddamn Wizard but I don't care because I can roll that skil modifier to Intel anytime.
This fucking game.
Joined a public T3 game. Hit a rift. Random monster drops a leg belt just before the Rift Guardian appears. I pick it up and thought, "if this isn't Witching Hour, I'm done". Opened my inventory, belt looks suspiciously familiar behind the ? icon. ID'ed it:
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It's for a DH and I'm a goddamn Wizard but I don't care because I can roll that skil modifier to Intel anytime.
This fucking game.
After Kadala gave me my fourth Povertyball. I was down in the dumps and seriously thinking of quitting this game. Decided to plough on for the night instead and told myself if I don't find a good/useful legendary before the end of tonight, I'll be done with the game for good.
Joined a public T3 game. Hit a rift. Random monster drops a leg belt just before the Rift Guardian appears. I pick it up and thought, "if this isn't Witching Hour, I'm done". Opened my inventory, belt looks suspiciously familiar behind the ? icon. ID'ed it:
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It's for a DH and I'm a goddamn Wizard but I don't care because I can roll that skil modifier to Intel anytime.
This fucking game.
Lol. So sweet. The game taketh and the game giveth.
Do you guys have a better method of gearing alts than playing normal mode until they find some decent stuff? I can play hand-me-down with my wizard gear to my witch doctor, but all my other classes are still terrible. Loot 2.0 is great and all but does make it hard to find gear for other characters.
I don't know if you can really have a 'best' classes list. I do think you can have a list of "most to least amount of work to achieve the same results" list:
Least amount of work for same results:
1. Wiz
2. Witch Doctor
3. Demon Hunter
4. Monk
5. Barbarian
6. Crusader
Most amount of work for same results
and if I'm really honest with that list it's something like:
Wiz
WD
Everyone else
last place: Crusader/Barb
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Got this a little earlier and didn't think much of it for a legendary bonus (i had another belt with very similar stats), mainly as chest can be common in some areas and not in others and as such the bonus would be a bit uncommon to use in general..
But man is that description misleading, its not just chests - its anything and everything you can search (and these are very common in all areas). I did a Rift set in the Act 5 battlefield and due to the armour racks it was basically a permanent 105% increase in damage and it was glorious, its a shame the roll was on the lower scale and I'm sure this great boost is old news to others (i had no idea), but this is my new favourite toy.
I salvaged mine some time ago because I thought it strictly applies to chests. Never thought it meant everything. Fuck my life.
How the hell is Barbarian the worst class in the game?
And no way DH is the best, not even close.
KillerDark
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Sorry but theres no way Barb is harder to gear than Monk.
Wasn't really limiting it to gearing. Most work (viable builds/talents/gear/speed/efficiency/etc.) to get the same results. Like I said, the list is mostly Wizard/WD then everyone else. Probably Crusaders pulling up last spot pretty easily, you have to work twice as hard as every other class to get the same results. But to be fair, they're kind of half-baked at the moment and will probably go through a lot of changes still.
edit: it should probably be noted what part of the game the best/worst lists are for? End game? gearing up? leveling up? I was mostly referring to the whole journey.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
At endgame, Wiz is actually the worst class.
From best to worst:
WD
Barb
Crusader
Demon Hunter
Monk
Wizard
From best to worst:
WD
Barb
Crusader
Demon Hunter
Monk
Wizard
njean777
Member
Enjoying the crusader so far. Got her up to lvl 34 and am finally getting a better feel for her now that most of my skills are unlocked.
One question I have is I have a level 70 wizard and would like to get better gear for him, should I be focusing on the rifts in adventure mode for this? Or should I be doing the adventure mode quests? Story mode? Where do I get all this badass loot you guys are getting? And sorry if somebody answered before, I missed it, but what are blood shards used for?
One question I have is I have a level 70 wizard and would like to get better gear for him, should I be focusing on the rifts in adventure mode for this? Or should I be doing the adventure mode quests? Story mode? Where do I get all this badass loot you guys are getting? And sorry if somebody answered before, I missed it, but what are blood shards used for?
FINALLY got a nice Andariel's Visage last night for my DH... while farming for Pride's Fall. Rolled 20% Fire and low self-dmg. Didn't come with crit so I had to roll that.. I'm not sure if I should keep the crit or keep rolling for CA dmg.
Also.. I have switched back to using a quiver instead of 2x xbows. My archfiend gives me more IAS, 7% elite dmg, 10% crit, 15% CA dmg.. it seems to outweigh the second green gem in eDPS but not sheet dps. And unless it's nat+calamity I don't see a benefit when a quiver like archfiend exists.
Also.. I have switched back to using a quiver instead of 2x xbows. My archfiend gives me more IAS, 7% elite dmg, 10% crit, 15% CA dmg.. it seems to outweigh the second green gem in eDPS but not sheet dps. And unless it's nat+calamity I don't see a benefit when a quiver like archfiend exists.
Monk is definitely bottom 2 class in the game at the moment and here's why:
*Dexterity as a main stat sucks balls for defense. Monks are shoehorned into using OWE just to have enough toughness as Barbs hell even Crusaders. DHs don't need that much toughness because they are ranged and can just avoid many of the stuff in the game but Monk can't by virtue of their design as a melee character.
*Because you are reliant on OWE so much, Monks aren't like other classes where they need an item with just 3 stats to be good... Monks need 4 stats to be good so they can roll a secondary affix or they get the secondary resistance they want and roll one of the 4 primaries. It's much harder to efficiently gear Monks just so they can compete toughness wise with other classes.
*Their damage output is mediocre compared to the other classes. Not to say they can't do T5/T6 solo at a reasonable pace but it's still a bit slower than the other classes. Monks are good for enhancing kill speeds in a group which means they are better supports than they are main DPS dealers in a high Torment group (thanks to EP).
*Monks have the DEFINITIVE worst class set items in the game. The Monkey 2H set is garbage, the Lightning set gets trumped by single items and the Inna's set is currently bugged (and even if it wasn't it would still not be that good).
*Some weird class specific issues. Their best nuke type skill has a very bad hit box and is usually whiffing on targets unless you use one of the runes (which shoehorns you into making a Fire Monk). Their Spirit generators specifically Fist of Thunders suck ass...shoe horned into using WohF just so they can get some left click damage in and build some Spirit. Their elemental variety sucks compared to other classes... worse than Barbs in this regard. They don't have a way to spec for a pet based build like the other classes. They just have a single Mystic Ally... unlike stuff like CotA Barb build, Phalanx Commander Crusader, companion DH, pet WD and even melee Arcane Hydra Wizard.
I honestly think that if Monks didn't have Exploding Palm they would be the worst class in the game right now. Not to say they are horrible or unplayable... they do fine overall and can hold their own. This is all speaking in terms of relativity.
*Dexterity as a main stat sucks balls for defense. Monks are shoehorned into using OWE just to have enough toughness as Barbs hell even Crusaders. DHs don't need that much toughness because they are ranged and can just avoid many of the stuff in the game but Monk can't by virtue of their design as a melee character.
*Because you are reliant on OWE so much, Monks aren't like other classes where they need an item with just 3 stats to be good... Monks need 4 stats to be good so they can roll a secondary affix or they get the secondary resistance they want and roll one of the 4 primaries. It's much harder to efficiently gear Monks just so they can compete toughness wise with other classes.
*Their damage output is mediocre compared to the other classes. Not to say they can't do T5/T6 solo at a reasonable pace but it's still a bit slower than the other classes. Monks are good for enhancing kill speeds in a group which means they are better supports than they are main DPS dealers in a high Torment group (thanks to EP).
*Monks have the DEFINITIVE worst class set items in the game. The Monkey 2H set is garbage, the Lightning set gets trumped by single items and the Inna's set is currently bugged (and even if it wasn't it would still not be that good).
*Some weird class specific issues. Their best nuke type skill has a very bad hit box and is usually whiffing on targets unless you use one of the runes (which shoehorns you into making a Fire Monk). Their Spirit generators specifically Fist of Thunders suck ass...shoe horned into using WohF just so they can get some left click damage in and build some Spirit. Their elemental variety sucks compared to other classes... worse than Barbs in this regard. They don't have a way to spec for a pet based build like the other classes. They just have a single Mystic Ally... unlike stuff like CotA Barb build, Phalanx Commander Crusader, companion DH, pet WD and even melee Arcane Hydra Wizard.
I honestly think that if Monks didn't have Exploding Palm they would be the worst class in the game right now. Not to say they are horrible or unplayable... they do fine overall and can hold their own. This is all speaking in terms of relativity.
Nardonicus
Member
I used to run bounties in Expert, just to get them done with as quickly as possible, but I decided to switch to doing them in Torment 1 and I have had a lot more luck. I know Rifts are supposed to be where its at for Legendaries, but frankly I have had just as much luck doing my bounties in T1.
I got my first Set item from a treasure goblin just running a t1 bounty in act 3 (Danetta's) and also got my first MageFist last night running another bounty in T2 from an Elite. Of course the damn thing didn't roll with Crit Chance or Crit Damage.....fucking rng man.
I got my first Set item from a treasure goblin just running a t1 bounty in act 3 (Danetta's) and also got my first MageFist last night running another bounty in T2 from an Elite. Of course the damn thing didn't roll with Crit Chance or Crit Damage.....fucking rng man.
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Which is better to use? (I went lighting skill monk set up).
Also, what stat should I reroll for Odin to get a stocket?
obviously attack speed? don't think you can reroll lightning and you don't want to lose dex.
Damn.. been wanting an Odyn Son so badly. Pick it up from Kadala or Rifts?
Which is better to use? (I went lighting skill monk set up).
Also, what stat should I reroll for Odin to get a stocket?
fluffydelusions
Member
Can you elaborate on why this is exactly? Serious question btw
TL;DR: Wizard has great first impressions because the class isn't super gear dependant. Doesn't scale well with good gear into T6 though. The other classes scale much better, but feel weaker without good gear.
gimmmick
Member
Riffs, it was so odd on how I found it too. Two legendary maces dropped from the riff gaurdian, and I was so pissed I got echoing fury again in the same game I was in (did about 12 riffs , was on roll with this group). I didn't even notice I had another legendary until I started selling the loot in town lol.
Thanks for the replies guys.
jim2point0
Banned
What? Why?
From my experience, at the same gear level, wizards can take on higher torments than demon hunters.
I can't. I've been having a blast with it. Though that might be because of dual danetta's allowing me to vault permanently for almost no cost at all. Makes doing bounties a billion times easier.
Wizard is also insanely fun. DH and Wiz are probably the only classes I'd enjoy playing. Monks if they get some buffs and better set items.
If you're a barb, you play fire spec (so really one viable spec) or you're bound to suck and lag behind. That means you need a very specific gearset to be viable at higher Torment levels
Yes barbs were outrageous with SoH, but that ship has sailed.
Also the Raekor set sucks outside of the 6 pieces bonus, and good luck getting that (I have two pieces after 250 hours at max level)
Nope. Just nope.
gimmmick
Member
You would use Odin over Thunderfury?
I liked DH at first, more than my wizard. Then I realized almost every DH is fire and needs a Cindercoat for Cluster Arrow and when I didn't get one I got bored and switched back to my Wiz.
Are there any other elemental builds besides fire for DH? I haven't seen one.
I find Barb the most boring really. Only spec I like is WW and that gets old after a while.
Angelus Errare
Banned
lol @ DH being number 1.
Solo T6 yes,
But I've been watching Avoid's stream lately and his Wiz deals so much damage on their T6 rift runs.
jim2point0
Banned
There could be. It's mostly a problem with fire being the most OP element in the game due to the gear you can get. If there were equally as strong gear for other elements, I'm sure people would come up with some more builds. But fire is the way to go, and cluster arrow is probably the best fire skill.
The Lamonster
Member
Started my first DH last night...surprised at the rapid fire skill. I can just hold down a button and shoot a constant stream of arrows? Seems pretty awesome. Can't wait to check out the runes for that skill.
I don't have a starmetal so it's a bit different.
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100% agree with this and the list. People simply don't understand how much classes other than wizard scale with their class sets + specific legendaries. Wizard has nothing to look forward to from class sets, even Tal Rasha is shit honestly. The only end game they got is Wand of Woh.
jim2point0
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In my experience, the only time worth spending shards is when you've saved up 500. I still come out with nothing sometimes. Spending any less would seem like I'm just setting myself up for disappointment.
Behind SoH Odyn is our best weapon, so yes. WKL vs TF is closer, but I'd take 20+ light dmg over TF's proc. Not sure if you're aware, but TF proc isn't buffed by + lightning dmg, whereas Odyn is
Is that supposed to be a rare thing? I do full clears of T3 rifts, and three in a row with no legendaries is commonplace for me. Two days ago I was on an eight rift no-legendary streak, before finally getting a trash two-hander in the ninth rift. As for Kadala, it's been over 1500 shards since I got a legendary off of her.
I can't speak for TF cuz I don't have one, but Odyn Son is pretty legit now for a Monk. Even with my 1998 dps Odyn, the proc alone makes it shine. I've seen it crit upwards to 9 mil, and since it benefits from + lightning % dmg, the potential is there to make it stronger.
Posted this just now.
Since then, I have played a couple of Rifts and have found a Witching Hour then a Wand of Woh. Got some shards. Gambled and in less than 10 rolls, I found a Mirrorball with 2MM and overall some very nice rolls. Ran another Rift and found a Thunderfury.
I have no words.
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