Diablo immortal releasing on June 2

whyman said:
This is just a pure lie. You can keep playing even if you don't pay. What is your motive even?
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I've posted multiple news articles and videos of first hand accounts from beta testers. It is certainly not a lie because EVERY goddamn pay 2 win game functions like this.
Progression without shop-items will become so incredibly tedious, you're basically forced to pay. Rifts will not drop any legendary gems if you don't enhance them with items from the shop.

pleaseinsertdisctwo said:
How about you shut the hell up? It's just a mobile game. No one has their panties in a bunch except you. All of a sudden if people play a mobile game that features MTX that you don't have to buy, you don't have self respect.
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I'm loving the triggered responses from the braindead consumer horde.
 
worldwithpyramids said:
I mean, yes? These games are scams and they don't even have to hide it anymore because of people like you.

Babylon's Fall got absolutely demolished for this. This game deserves it just as much, if not more.
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Mobile F2P games are a huge thing now. Deal with it.

"People like me" lmao. I have never in my life spent a cent on a F2P game. If whales have the disposable income then have at it.
 
strange headache said:
I've posted multiple news articles and videos of first hand accounts from beta testers. It is certainly not a lie because EVERY goddamn pay 2 win game functions like this.
Progression without shop-items will become so incredibly tedious, you're basically forced to pay. Rifts will not drop any legendary gems if you don't enhance them with items from the shop.



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I'm loving the triggered responses from the braindead consumer horde.
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You are sooooo funny. "Braindead consumer horde" I've never spent a cent on a F2P game. Touch some grass
 
worldwithpyramids said:
I mean, yes? These games are scams and they don't even have to hide it anymore because of people like you.

Babylon's Fall got absolutely demolished for this. This game deserves it just as much, if not more.
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It's hopeless, you're arguing with the mobile generation who is used to being nickel and dimed by their mobile games and don't care about consumer protection.


pleaseinsertdisctwo said:
You are sooooo funny. "Braindead consumer horde" I've never spent a cent on a F2P game. Touch some grass
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How about you play some games that treat you with respect and value your time instead of defending this microtransaction garbage?
 
billyxci said:
i went with wizard (female). did do a bit of demon hunter on ipad. all feels good but i'm probably going to stick with the wizard class.

i'm not far enough to feel like i need to spend money/grind but so far i'm enjoying the shit outta it. i won't mind spending some money on maybe a battle pass but i'm not going to spend a lot of money on it.
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I am okay with spending $15 a month for the empowered pass. To me, it's same as paying for a WoW sub.
 
strange headache said:
It's hopeless, you're arguing with the mobile generation who is used to being nickel and dimed by their mobile games and don't care about consumer protection.



How about you play some games that treat you with respect and value your time instead of defending this microtransaction garbage?
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I play mobile games maybe for a grand total of 20 minutes every few months and if I download this it'll be no different.

No one needs you to tell them what to play and what not to play. A majority of people don't spend money, the ones that do usually have tons of disposable income, and I'm sure there's plenty of people like me that seriously only play them for a little bit every few months.

Stop being obnoxious and condescending and go outside. Yes we know that *gasp* F2P games try to get your money (no shit, it's not a charity service from the dev). You can stop repeating it.
 
pleaseinsertdisctwo said:
No one needs you to tell them what to play and what not to play. A majority of people don't spend money, the ones that do usually have tons of disposable income, and I'm sure there's plenty of people like me that seriously only play them for a little bit every few months.
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Nobody is telling anybody what to play, stop this ridiculous straw-manning.
People are trying to make others aware of the predatory monetization and the pay 2 win mechanics, which is important information.

If people wouldn't get hooked on these games relying on casino tactics to reel them in, then they wouldn't make millions. What you're saying is demonstrably false, otherwise we wouldn't have crappy monetization like this.
 
strange headache said:
Nobody is telling anybody what to play, stop this ridiculous straw-manning.
People are trying to make others aware of the predatory monetization and the pay 2 win mechanics, which is important information.

If people wouldn't get hooked on these games relying on casino tactics to reel them in, then they wouldn't make millions. What you're saying is demonstrably false, otherwise we wouldn't have crappy monetization like this.
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You're telling people to play games that "respect the players." So yes, you are telling people what to play.

Just let people be adults and make their own decisions. If they enjoy this game they aren't *insert ad hominem. There is a lot of fair criticism being tossed around here about this game without resorting to personal attacks.
 
Tygeezy said:
You're telling people to play games that "respect the players."
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Predatory monetization and game mechanics that force you to pay money under the false premise of a "free game" is the literal definition of not respecting players.
It's the reason why Blizzard is going down the drain, because they don't respect their player-base anymore and treat them like moneybags.

Like it or not, but you are supporting these practices by playing this game.
 
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This thread sure is interesting.

Anyways, the game seems fine. Actually kinda impressed with the game on PC. Just wish it had more graphical options but I imagine that those will come down the road. On the phone it feels pretty solid and smooth but I guess maybe I am old school in feeling like the Diablo experience and isometric RPG feels just more "right" on PC.
 
strange headache said:
I've posted multiple news articles and videos of first hand accounts from beta testers. It is certainly not a lie because EVERY goddamn pay 2 win game functions like this.
Progression without shop-items will become so incredibly tedious, you're basically forced to pay. Rifts will not drop any legendary gems if you don't enhance them with items from the shop.



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I'm loving the triggered responses from the braindead consumer horde.
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No you straight up lied. That you had to pay to keep playing. You know the game is still playable as long as the servers are up even if you don't pay. You can keep replaying content etc.

If you don't like those kind of games just don't play it. Diablo 3 is available and 4 is on the way. I'm enjoying the hell out of this one and I don't mind supporting devs with the battle pass.
 
Been watching Asmongold play, looks like a good & fun Diablo entry. I can see it doing pretty well for Blizzard.
I'll just wait for Diablo 4 though. (Like Lost Ark, the game is actually banned in my country)
 
strange headache said:
Exactly, paywall hits you hard mid- to late-game.

The first couple of hours are just honey to get you hooked and bait you into opening your wallet once you've put enough time into it.
This is not healthy monetization since some items have zero drop chance unless you pay up. In essence, late-game progressions is tied to the online shop, so it is not merely a question of practicing restraint.
Sooner or later you are either forced to pay or to stop playing altogether.
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strange headache said:
So just remain a scrub and keep replaying the same content, because meaningful progression is locked behind a paywall... sure sounds like fun :messenger_tears_of_joy:
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Well at least you admit you spread a lie about the game.

Well that's the point. You might not think it's fun but why can't others enjoy and support it?

From everything I've read you can play the story from start to finish without paying anything. If you want to be "the best" at pvp you have to pay but Diablo was never about pvp for me. So it's a fun game that I hope people who like the game will support. ☺️
 
Played maybe an hour, uninstalled. Same brainless gameplay as D3, but they really went to extreme with money grab:

Finished Act 1 - chest in shop
Finished Act 2 - chest in shop
Progressed a bit - Battle Pass
Progressed a bit more - another monthly sub

Jesus Christ.
 
Joke's on Blizzard - I never went for endgame min-maxing in Diablo 3 after buying the CE so I'm sure as hell not going for it in a game I'm not even paying for!
 
Cyberpunkd said:
Played maybe an hour, uninstalled. Same brainless gameplay as D3, but they really went to extreme with money grab:

Finished Act 1 - chest in shop
Finished Act 2 - chest in shop
Progressed a bit - Battle Pass
Progressed a bit more - another monthly sub

Jesus Christ.
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Psssht, can't criticize this or you'll be called a 'crusader' for pointing out shitty monetization.
 
Cyberpunkd said:
Played maybe an hour, uninstalled. Same brainless gameplay as D3, but they really went to extreme with money grab:

Finished Act 1 - chest in shop
Finished Act 2 - chest in shop
Progressed a bit - Battle Pass
Progressed a bit more - another monthly sub

Jesus Christ.
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The base Diablo 4 will most likely start at $70 and will no doubt have MTX too. The way of service games now.
 
I can personally see both sides of this argument. The game is a lot of fun, and it looks like it's entirely possible to "beat the game" without spending any money. Meanwhile, late-game progression is locked behind a paywall. Also, spending money is pushed in your face constantly. There isn't a clear delineation of what things you pay for are cosmetics and what items have an effect on PvP. The game is undeniably predatory, while simultaneously being generous for people who don't give a shit about PvP or the endgame loop. The battle pass system is a good stop-gap for people who don't want to pay much money, but still plan on actually playing the game rather than just buying all the good equipment.

There are some people (myself included) that don't really mind this arrangement. I've played tons of F2P mobile games, so I kinda know the drill by now. But I definitely wouldn't put this game in the hands of a small child or gambling addict.
 
strange headache said:
Psssht, can't criticize this or you'll be called a 'crusader' for pointing out shitty monetization.
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You're definitely crusading. You've been harassing everyone in this thread and insulting them. There's nothing wrong with criticizing intrusive MTX. What you're doing is being incredibly annoying. I almost want to spend money on the game just to spite you.
 
I played for about an hour on my phone while I watched TV. Had the screen really low and still was doing a number on my battery and the phone was getting pretty hot. Game play loop was decent but I don't see myself going back.
 
strange headache said:
Exactly, paywall hits you hard mid- to late-game.

The first couple of hours are just honey to get you hooked and bait you into opening your wallet once you've put enough time into it.
This is not healthy monetization since some items have zero drop chance unless you pay up. In essence, late-game progressions is tied to the online shop, so it is not merely a question of practicing restraint.
Sooner or later you are either forced to pay or to stop playing altogether.
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Man, sooner or later you can spend some money to progress faster. Other games rob you from the get go of your 60-70 bucks. At least this one wines and dines you first. Games cost money. What a revelation! Braindead AF aren't you? Let's see if I can call names without the Gaf Gold armor this idiot has without getting banned.
 
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DavidGzz said:
Man, sooner or later you can spend some money to progress faster. Other games rob you from the get go of your 60-70 bucks. At least this one wines and dines you first. Games cost money. What a revelation! Braindead AF aren't you? Let's see if I can call names without the Gaf Gold armor this idiot has without getting banned.
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pleaseinsertdisctwo said:
F2P game MTX is geared towards whales, news at 11.
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Stop normalizing this crap.
You are literally making the gaming landscape worse for everybody else by defending these intrusive monetization practices.
 
Does Gaf not have a thread ban feature? Get this bozo the fuck out of here. Did you crusade against digital games in their inception too? Why are we paying for things we can't even hold. Wtf is wrong with us, paying for pixels on a screen. The horror
 
strange headache said:
Stop normalizing this crap.
You are literally making the gaming landscape worse for everybody else by defending these intrusive monetization practices.
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I'm not the one spending money on them. My point is that nothing you've said in here has been news to anyone in this thread. You have just been very annoying and condescending, which ends up having the opposite intended effect when you're trying to persuade people. You've also made so many assumptions whilst insulting people, too: you're acting like everyone who downloads it is going to play it for hours every day and spend hundreds on it. Most people will not spend a cent and will barely play it.
 
DavidGzz said:
Does Gaf not have a thread ban feature? Get this bozo the fuck out of here. Did you crusade against digital games in their inception too? Why are we paying for things we can't even hold. Wtf is wrong with us, paying for pixels on a screen. The horror
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You are the reason why legislation needs to happen.

pleaseinsertdisctwo said:
I'm not the one spending money on them.
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It doesn't matter if YOU don't spend money, you are still supporting the game by playing it. Even worse, you are attacking the people who are criticizing these shitty practices.
It's obvious that plenty of people are falling for these monetization practices, otherwise they would not be implemented.
 
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Don't have a phone? Well don't fret, Diablo Immortal was released (in Beta) on PC today, so check out the opening minutes of this brand new campaign captured on PC in 1440p 60fps.

Diablo Immortal is available on mobile phones and PC starting June 2, 2022. Players can experience the world of Sanctuary in a persistent, always-online adventure anywhere, anytime with Diablo Immortal, a PC and mobile Massively Multiplayer Online Action RPG entry in the Diablo franchise.
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strange headache said:
You are the reason why legislation needs to happen.



It doesn't matter if YOU don't spend money, you are still supporting the game by playing it. Even worse, you are attacking the people who are criticizing these shitty practices.
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Girl………. have some self-awareness (of which you seemingly have very little). I'm gonna let someone else deal with you, have a fantastic day ❤️
 
strange headache said:
The fact that you don't care about it, doesn't mean that others don't.
Plenty of members here, the press, popular WOW players and streamers are criticizing the same thing.

Deal with it.
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Here's the difference between people like me (rational) and people like you:

I generally don't post in threads of games I don't like, and I certainly don't spend all of my time shit-posting about them. Nobody gives a fuck about your agenda. If you don't like games that allow you to purchase content, don't play them.

Imagine going this far out of your way to change somebody's opinion when you can't even form your own. Keep doing what twitter tells you to do.
 
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pleaseinsertdisctwo said:
Girl………. have some self-awareness (of which you seemingly have very little). I'm gonna let someone else deal with you, have a fantastic day ❤️
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Go buy some lootboxes and enjoy your "surprise mechanics" :messenger_tears_of_joy:





nikos said:
Here's the difference between people like me (rational) and people like you:

I generally don't post in threads of games I don't like, and I certainly don't spend all of my time shit-posting about them. Nobody gives a fuck about your agenda. If you don't like games that allow you to purchase content, don't play them.
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So people aren't allowed to talk about the shitty monetization just so you can enjoy your shiny new toy? How very rational.
 
Strange Headach owns a fireworks stand and wants legislation to only allow what is acceptable.
Doesnt matter that I did not spend money on a big boom sparkly. But I'm not allowed to watch a big boom sparkly either.
 
amigastar said:
I'm not willing to pay anything for this game. I hope i still get some gameplay worth out of it. So far it doesn't seem like it. Watched a Preview and they said you get to a point where you have to really grind for better items.
Either you have to grind, have a bit of luck or pay to win basically.
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Diablo is literally a grind game
 
SirKicksalot said:
>complains about money
>ignores the time and grind issues which are what make these games dangerous to addictive personalities since Diablo 2

>crusades against exploitative game
>is exploited by videos that look like this:
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Have you actually watched these videos ort did you just look at the thumbnails? Because if you would have actually bothered, they explain the monetization in detail and without much hyperbole.
Also, what makes these games dangerous are the casino-like gambling features that get young people hooked on bad consumer habits.

It is literally gambling:

www.theverge.com

Diablo Immortal skips Dutch and Belgian launches and loot boxes might be to blame

Everyone else will be able to play on June 2nd.
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com
arstechnica.com

Two European countries won’t get Diablo Immortal because of loot box laws

Belgium, Netherlands ruled in-game random item boxes “illegal gambling” in 2018.
arstechnica.com arstechnica.com
www.techradar.com

Diablo Immortal is already banned in two countries

It's fallen foul of European gambling laws
www.techradar.com www.techradar.com

In the past Blizzard took out these mechanics to adhere to these laws, nowadays they just don't give a f*ck anymore.
 
strange headache said:
Predatory monetization and game mechanics that force you to pay money under the false premise of a "free game" is the literal definition of not respecting players.
It's the reason why Blizzard is going down the drain, because they don't respect their player-base anymore and treat them like moneybags.

Like it or not, but you are supporting these practices by playing this game.
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Silence is violence? Maybe you should care less about what other people enjoy.

You being a dick and insulting people for what they like isn't going to change their mind.
 
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so sad that I am not excited about a new Diablo game :(
I actually don't even care about this one. I hope Diablo 4 makes up for all this mess.
 
Apparently Tomb of Fahir is super buggy on PC right now. I matchmade with randos from my phone and they all fell off the map at the end of the elevator section lol. Had to carry the final boss on my own
 
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