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[Kataploom]

No, there was never a war, it was just the kids yelling at each other in the street park

 

[Three]

Nintendo bowed out of traditional home consoles with Wii U.

 

[Venom Snake]

Yes: 49,2%
No: 50,8%

 

[Kotaro]

 

[Mr Hyde]

Yes: 49,2%
No: 50,8%

Yes: 50.3%
No: 49.7%

 

[Madserb2023]

What I will say regarding this is that Nintendo makes money on the hardware. So ig the argument is purely who is doing better in the literal hardware business, its the one that actually makes money on the hardware.

 

[Felessan]

50% of Sony bros against all others?
Sonygaf confirmed

 

[Venom Snake]

Yes: 50.3%
No: 49.7%

 

[SnapShot]

Nah

 

[cireza]

All Playstation games have been cancelled.

See, I can write nonsense too. High five!

The main difference is that what I wrote has been largely verified during the entire Switch lifespan, while what you say is mostly wrong.

 

[Astray]

Nintendo have what will likely be the single best selling SKU family out there (Switch 1), but their issue is they had to retreat towards handheld, they managed to grow that pot really nicely and it was driven what were arguably their best games in multiple verticals, but that created a new urge for competitors to start coming after that market with varying intensities.

Nintendo have what is simultaneously the most advantageous position in terms of individual moneymaking, but also the most precarious because they literally rely on one source of revenue: The Switch. If that +%90 hegemony changes in any meaningful way, then there will be trouble, look at how bad Playstation had it when Xbox only took %40-50 of the global trad console market..

 

[SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

Your mum says it's bedtime.

Yours bought the system to play Animal Crossing. And it's funny how you pretend like what i said isn't true. The difference between Nintendo that was competing with the rest, and the current one where anything and everything goes is massive, but let's ignore that, it doesn't suit my argument, so we don't talk about it.

 

[ecosse_011172]

The main difference is that what I wrote has been largely verified during the entire Switch lifespan, while what you say is mostly wrong.

Sure, Cyberpunk 2077, Street Fighter 6, Borderlands 4, Star Wars Outlaws, the EA sports stuff.
All missing, except they're not.

 

[duck_sauce]

Why does there have to be a "war" in the first place, and why must someone "win" it?

At the end of the day, these are corporations aiming for profit. Different business models lead to different financial results. End of story.

The whole "console war" thing is mostly about kids, or adults who haven't quite grown up, needing to justify their purchases by declaring a "winner." That way, they can reassure themselves that they made the "right" choice in picking a particular console or ecosystem.


Honestly, it's pretty pathetic.

 

[ecosse_011172]

Yours bought the system to play Animal Crossing. And it's funny how you pretend like what i said isn't true. The difference between Nintendo that was competing with the rest, and the current one where anything and everything goes is massive, but let's ignore that, it doesn't suit my argument, so we don't talk about it.

 

[ecosse_011172]

Why does there have to be a "war" in the first place, and why must someone "win" it?

At the end of the day, these are corporations aiming for profit. Different business models lead to different financial results. End of story.

The whole "console war" thing is mostly about kids, or adults who haven't quite grown up, needing to justify their purchases by declaring a "winner." That way, they can reassure themselves that they made the "right" choice in picking a particular console or ecosystem.


Honestly, it's pretty pathetic.

Indeed.
The hilarity in laughing at upset fanboys never gets old though.

 

[Felessan]

Nintendo have what will likely be the single best selling SKU family out there (Switch 1), but their issue is they had to retreat towards handheld, they managed to grow that pot really nicely

NDS is 154 mil, Switch atm 153m
Where is growth? They just retreated to portable and replicated NDS success

Nintendo have what is simultaneously the most advantageous position in terms of individual moneymaking

What advantageous position for moneymaking Nintendo have? They heavily relied on hardware margin for profits and it's gone with Switch2
Sony has x2 revenue and x3 profit of Nintendo now.

 

[cireza]

Sure, Cyberpunk 2077, Street Fighter 6, Borderlands 4, Star Wars Outlaws, the EA sports stuff.
All missing, except they're not.

You are listing Switch 2 games. So you basically validate my point, as I was talking about Switch 1.

The first Switch was too weak and didn't receive big third party games, and the few ones were absolutely butchered. Years later, you are finally receiving some ports, and they still run largely below what we had on release date on proper, traditional consoles.

Switch 2 will be the same story. Inferior ports until they don't bother porting at all. And we are already seeing this, because current late ports are all PS4 games. As soon as a game will start entirely skipping PS4, they will also skip Switch 2. This is already happening, the vast majority of the big third party games announced recently are skipping Switch 2. And if they eventually come, it will be later and a largely inferior version.

Examples ?
Silent Hill f
Pragmata
Resident Evil Requiem
Code Vein 2
Ninja Gaiden 4
etc...

Keep your expectations in check.

 

[SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

You do. Nintendo back in the day, and the current one don't have the same goals, which leads to covering a niche with no, or minmal competition. Since when does a company delivers the best possible product when they're trying their hardest to NOT compete?

If you like them now, you're luck. I don't. I want the old Nintendo that cared about what a non casual feels is important in games.

 

[ecosse_011172]

You are listing Switch 2 games. So you basically validate my point, as I was talking about Switch 1.

The first Switch was too weak and didn't receive big third party games, and the few ones were absolutely butchered. Years later, you are finally receiving some ports, and they still run largely below what we had on release date on proper consoles.

Switch 2 will be the same story. Inferior ports until they don't bother porting at all. And we are already seeing this, because current late ports are all PS4 games. As soon as a game will start entirely skipping PS4, they will also skip Switch 2. This is already happening, the vast majority of the big third party games announced this summer are skipping Switch 2.

Examples ?
Silent Hill f
Pragmata
Resident Evil Requiem
Code Vein 2
Ninja Gaiden 4
etc...

Keep your expectations in check.

You should learn what a hybrid console is.

You posted in another thread "I couldn't care less about Xbox or PS having the most powerful console, since all the games they make suck ass. "
You also don't like any Nintendo games except Metroid

So, if all consoles and console games are shit, why are you in a console war thread?

 

[Madserb2023]

I think these polls always come do which brand do you like. The topic is about the hardware. Nintendo makes money on their hardware, the others do not. Nintendo is even increasing the price of the Switch 1 from 2017. If either Sony or Microsoft was making money on their hardware they would not be trying to move away from hardware. I don't like like Nintendo hardware but I appreciate the acument that allows them to sell somebody a potato.
I feel like if this was about car companies, it would be ev95/5 in favor of the company that made money on every car instead of a loss. Now, in regards to non hardware focused, well Sony and Microsoft are making money but not from the hardware.

 

[cireza]

You should learn what a hybrid console is.

Hybrid, as in "Not traditional". The very reason why I voted No to the poll.

You posted in another thread "I couldn't care less about Xbox or PS having the most powerful console, since all the games they make suck ass. "
You also don't like any Nintendo games except Metroid

So, if all consoles and console games are shit, why are you in a console war thread?

Console war ?

Clearly, looking at your other posts, the stakes are high lol. Glory to Nintendo haha.

As far as I am concerned, I am just stating facts or personal preferences.

Yes, Sony and Microsoft first party games all suck ass, that's my opinion. And Nintendo too, except for Metroid and some Kirby games (which are not even made by Nintendo anyway). What's the point of digging my previous posts ?

 

[TheGodfather07]

Nintendo are separate and are not part of the console war. That was between Xbox and PlayStation who were directly competing against each other for the same audience and have pretty much the same library of games. Nintendo have a whole difference audience and library games. They haven't competed against Sony and Microsoft for years.

 

[VGA-Games]

Yes

Nintendo benefits the most of Sony's and Microsoft's Multiplatform Strategies.

 

[ecosse_011172]

Nintendo are separate and are not part of the console war. That was between Xbox and PlayStation who were directly competing against each other for the same audience and have pretty much the same library of games. Nintendo have a whole difference audience and library games. They haven't competed against Sony and Microsoft for years.

 

[ecosse_011172]

Console war ?

Just calling a spade a spade.

 

[Impotaku]

Nintendo already won without even trying.

Sony ran away from japan to cater to the west with dumbed down movie games and other slop. Now they have screwed themselves out of a whole region as japan no longer wants anything to do with PlayStation outside of a small niche of deluded Sony faithfuls that will buy regardless of anything new to play. They struggle to even sell 10k a week there not a good look when your current gen system is only halfway through its life. Even the crusty old switch is still destroying its ass in sales because it actually has games still releasing and people buy switches to play. Nobody wanted shit stranding 2 it slid down the charts like a runny turd and barely anything else seems to release and chart for ps5. Its basically the new Xbox.

Sony better wine & dine the west as that's all they have now.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Can you tell me how Nintendo are a competitor to Sony and Microsoft? They don't even have the same games so how can they be? What are they competing in exactly? Do customers need to decide between a switch and a PS5 or Xbox Series for GTA VI? Exactly.

 

[ecosse_011172]

Can you tell me how Nintendo are a competitor to Sony and Microsoft? They don't even have the same games so how can they be? What are they competing in exactly? Do customers need to decide between a switch and a PS5 or Xbox Series for GTA VI? Exactly.

Consoles have to have the exact same games to be competitors?

 

[Astray]

NDS is 154 mil, Switch atm 153m
Where is growth? They just retreated to portable and replicated NDS success

I mean Switch 1 in one gen did what the DS family of devices did in multiple gens.

What advantageous position for moneymaking Nintendo have? They heavily relied on hardware margin for profits and it's gone with Switch2
Sony has x2 revenue and x3 profit of Nintendo now.

I mean Mario/Zelda etc have never been more lucrative, and those series are Nintendo's bread and butter.

Nintendo reports revenue differently from Sony, they only report their %30 cut as revenue, while Sony reports the full %100.

 

[Felessan]

I mean Switch 1 in one gen did what the DS family of devices did in multiple gens.

DS is also one gen. If you mean versions - Switch also has 3 versions (NDS had 4)

Nintendo reports revenue differently from Sony, they only report their %30 cut as revenue, while Sony reports the full %100.

Is there proof for this?
It's actually doesn't matter even if true. Nintendo has 80% ratio of 1st party in revenue (those recognized by 100%), so change from 30% to 100% for 3rd party will be only 16% on software revenue. Negligent in the whole picture.

 

[tanners]

first time in gaf a vote is 50/50, wow

 

[ByWatterson]

Not really.

Playstation makes way more money than Nintendo does, including by expanding somewhat into other platforms. Microsoft may yet have a similar path as a publisher. They do this because they need growth, and for Sony at least, it works.

Nintendo didn't win as much as they're the only ones still playing at that smaller table. Sony is playing for more than what the console war can provide.

 

[jm89]

He thinks Sony are stepping aside lol.

There talks from reputable sources like keplar not only is a ps6 coming but a handheld.

Sony are also working with amd more then they ever have.

But they are stepping aside

 

[PeteBull]

Amazing to read the mental gymnastics some of you are doing to avoid giving the W to Nintendo .

Is it such a hard ask for ninny to launch proper stationary console that runs all switch1/2 games and is around ps5/xsx power (both launched 4,5 years ago) for 500-600usd/euro?
Im not telling them to have separate stationary console with its own games, im perfectly happy to play same games just at better res/fps, and since from my pov portability is a waste i want proper stationary console instead, i want to get good deal when i dont have to pay 450$ for handheld+120$ for deck to receive gimped stationary console experience

 

[Astray]

DS is also one gen. If you mean versions - Switch also has 3 versions (NDS had 4)

Lol that's my bad, thought that DS figure included the 3DS gens too.

Is there proof for this?
It's actually doesn't matter even if true. Nintendo has 80% ratio of 1st party in revenue (those recognized by 100%), so change from 30% to 100% for 3rd party will be only 16% on software revenue. Negligent in the whole picture.

I believe it's true, seen it in multiple places already.

But I haven't dug around the corporate disclosures myself tho lol.

You are right that it won't change a lot.

 

[bosnianpie]

No, they didn't.

 

[ecosse_011172]

Things I've learned:

• If your console of choice has the biggest sales, it's important , if it doesn't, it's meaningless.
• If your corporation of choice makes the most money, it's important , if they don't, it's meaningless.
• Growth is important in other consoles, not your console of choice.
• Nintendo are competition if they sell less, but in a different market if they sell more.

 

[Spyxos]

I am not even Nintendo fan, but yes.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

The grammar in the title hurts me.

 

[RoadHazard]

When did Sony leave the traditional video game business model? Are you talking about the PC ports they do one year later?

 

[Jakk]

I would say Nintendo is definitely winning in terms of annoying fanboys who act like 12-year-olds.

 

[tr1p1ex]

The war don't end. But it win biggest battle.

 

[Kurt]

Well of course there will be people that vote no. But it's already a fact that Nintendo is the only one who stick with being a first party developer.
So Yes, Nintendo won in terms of the last remaining exclusive console. There is just no other way.

 

[Amin_Parker]

Lets pretend that handheld consoles never happened…

Let's also pretend like the color TV game 15 or the game and watch never existed. Nintendo has been making video game consoles ever since the first generation of gaming back in the 1970s.

 

[Zathalus]

They sell the most consoles but they don't make the most profit or revenue. So hard to claim they won.

 

[Unknown?]

Their last traditional console bombed so hard they had to combine their handheld and console business into one.... So no.

 

[PlayStaytion]

The traditional console war was over long before the warriors fighting it figured it out. It was over 5 years ago. What has been happening for the last 5 years is that hardware manufacturers have been succumbing to their own inability to keep their ecosystem alive with their first party output.

Xbox succumbed first. Their purchase of ABK wasn't a bid to save the Xbox console as some believed. They already knew that was over. It was a play for software revenue. They will continue to sell hardware as a vehicle for Game Pass, which is all their hardware is now.

PlayStation had a longer runway due to their cut of third party, but they would not be able to run PlayStation the way they do today without third party. I'm willing to bet that the reason they're pushing live service so hard is that it gives them a recurring first party software revenue stream that stabilizes them while it takes forever for their single player games to release. They must be able to rely on their own output for long term success, because if third party hits the toilet they're in trouble. So it makes sense they're going to want as wide of a first party sales pipeline as possible. They'll probably also stay cross gen for longer with PS6 because I'm thinking they're going to have a tough time hitting $499 for their next console unless they want to eat losses, so they'll need the PS5 install base for longer.

Nintendo is the only one of the three that has been able to survive mainly on their first party output. That's why they'll be the last to go with a multiplatform strategy. They do get third party revenue from their store, but they're also the only one that can sell 30+ million copies of a single first party title at full price for many years.

I don't believe the notion of old executives making harmful choices to the companies for their own benefits like retiring, it just doesn't work these days. As a multi millionaire entrepreneur, I could humbly tell these days Jensen Huang is not that different from the average person.

 

[Woopah]

Microsoft is out, but both Nintendo and Sony are vary much part of the war still. So no this is nonsense.

 

[EruditeHobo]

There is no reason to place much value or importance on whatever you mean by the term "traditional console war". It will mean different things to different people who hear it unless you explicitly define what you're talking about.

Nintendo has been overwhelmingly mediocre for a pretty substantial portion of the last 25 years or so, so I don't know how they could be considered to have won anything in an overall way. Switch was a huge success and Switch 2 looks really good, and that's a pretty great upswing, so good for them and everything... but Sony has been killing the game for literally 30 years, with some admitted blips in there that can and do happen to everyone. Hell, Sony has operated much more within the "traditional console" space than Nintendo has for decades now, haven't they? If anyone is suggesting the Wii, WiiU, Switch, or Switch 2 are more "traditional" than PS3 through PS5, I'd love to hear the reasoning as to why or how.

Again, this term is probably just not useful without specifics.