Did Nintendo won the traditional console war?

Nintendo won?


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Did Nintendo won the traditional console war?

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By Sony and Microsoft stepping aside from the traditional video game business model centric in their hardware sales…. Do you think that Nintendo won the console war?
Sony is stepping aside from consoles only in your dreams, you are desilusional.

Sony kicked out out of the home consoles business Sega, Nintendo and now Xbox. And like Sega (+others) and now Xbox, Nintendo did stop making home consoles with WiiU because they lost their war against Sony in that field.

It's really nonsensical and dumb to think Sony would leave the home consoles market now that PlayStation will have this market for themselves only (as Nintendo had the portable console market for themselves only with Switch).

Even more considering that Sony is breaking many all time records in gaming history for any console maker in most metrics, plus are in a multi year low growth pattern in most areas.
 
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Remove the TRADITIONAL and you will have the one that has sold most consoles(Handheld, Home Consoles and Hybrid) and thats "UR WINNER". Oh Also first party Exclusive Developer that is not closing studios. Where the Devs are happy if it counts.
 
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Yes. And with diminishing returns being ever more prominent with their "underpowered" switch 2 producing great facsimilies of ps5 games they will go from strength to strength with their IP and profitable unique hardware (despite a few missteps) each generation.

Sony will continue to have a great business and when hardware becomes more affordable over the coming decades the boxes maybe manufactured by a range of companies and we will only care about the games. I expect playstation will become a standard like dvd.

Microsoft will continue to be Microsoft, the only question is how long they stay interested in this side arm.
 
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The switch "won" as It sold more than its contemporaries.

Switch 2 also shows super strong sales but they have a ton of work ahead if they want their exosystem to be appealing to mass consumers and third party developers. So far its not going well and their PR is the worst its ever been.
 
There is no console war between Sony and Nintendo to win. One companies success doesn't negatively impact the other. They serve different segments of the market. In the areas where they do converge, they are supplementary to each other for most of this market segment.
 
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The switch "won" as It sold more than its contemporaries.

Switch 2 also shows super strong sales but they have a ton of work ahead if they want their exosystem to be appealing to mass consumers and third party developers. So far its not going well and their PR is the worst its ever been.
We dont count nintendo cus....
 
Sony kicked out out of the home consoles business Sega, Nintendo and now Xbox. And like Sega (+others) and now Xbox, Nintendo did stop making home consoles with WiiU because they lost their war against Sony in that field.
Everyone can play Donkey Kong Bananza on their TV sets with NS2 and a joypad in hand, just like in the old days with Donkey Kong Country on SNES, Donkey Kong 64 on N64 or Donkey Kong Country Returns on WII. Even better, they can choose between TV mode, handheld mode, or tabletop mode in any given session—and even switch modes mid-game if they feel like it.
Also people can play to PlayStation's Lego Horizon Adventures on Switch on their TV sets if they wish so.

PlayStation fanboys should cherish their memories of bickering with Xbox fanboys because, of the two twins, Xbox was always conveniently the "dim-witted" sibling (weaker party).
That dynamic just doesn't translate to Nintendo whose big success and unique business model set it apart from the other external big corporations that joined the videogame console business after its establishment.
 
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I don't see how you could argue they didn't. Of the traditional console manufacturers from back when the console wars were way more competitive, they are the only company left that sell consoles entirely on their software lineup, and the entire first party production remains console exclusive.
 
Everyone can play Donkey Kong Bananza on their TV sets with NS2 and a joypad in hand, just like in the old days with Donkey Kong Country on SNES, Donkey Kong 64 on N64 or Donkey Kong Country Returns on WII. Even better, they can choose between TV mode, handheld mode, or tabletop mode in any given session—and even switch modes mid-game if they feel like it.
Also people can play to PlayStation's Lego Horizon Adventures on Switch on their TV sets if they wish so.

PlayStation fanboys should cherish their memories of bickering with Xbox fanboys because, of the two twins, Xbox was always conveniently the "dim-witted" sibling (weaker party).
That dynamic just doesn't translate to Nintendo whose big success and unique business model set it apart from the other external big corporations that joined the videogame console business after its establishment.
Yes, Switch 1 & 2 are portables but have tv out, like PSP2000, PSP3000, PSP Go and all these Android and PC handhelds.

Switch also has the Sony made (even if not published by them there) MLB The Show.

Apparently, Nintendo's the only one that understands Exclusives Still Matter.
No, it's the only big publisher whose non-top selling games have low enough budgets to continue being profitable in a single console.

Which isn't the case for the AAA publishers, who see that their budgets skyrocket every generation but the revenue they generate doesn't grow at the same pace. So in the last 2-3 generations expanded their multiplatform and GaaS businesses to chase extra revenue and better profitability.

Btw, PlayStation has many exclusives even if some are console exclusives, crossgen, or timed. And constantly break records in most metrics, in many cases not only for them but for any console maker in gaming history. Meaning they are performing better than Nintendo in most areas. Sony is so successful that soon PlayStation will be the only home console left after having defeated all their direct competitors. And now has the majority of the console market share when also including Nintendo's portable. Meaning, Sony knows what they are doing.

There is no console war between Sony and Nintendo to win. One companies success doesn't negatively impact the other. They serve different segments of the market. In the areas where they do converge, they are supplementary to each other for most of this market segment.
Yep, right now they aren't directly competing as they did in the past. In portables Nintendo won and Sony moved away with PS Vita, so Nintendo got the portables market for themselves.

In the opposite way, Sony won in home consoles and Nintendo moved away WiiU to focus on portables. And now PS killed Xbox, PlayStation will have the home console market for them.

As of now, they work as two complementary markets with different market behaviour, demographics and relatively little business overlap.

But seems it may change in 2-3 years because apparently Sony is making a portable. I assume conceptually will be a next gen PS Portal successor that now can also run the games natively.
 
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You'd pretty much be missing out on everything that happens in the industry besides Nintendo mascot games if you only owned their consoles in the last 20 years. So, no.

2026 looks to have insane 3rd party output from Capcom to SEGA, yet most games will probably not see a Nintendo release for at least another generation. Nintendo owns their casual niche, but if you want more than that from gaming, they are highly insufficient.

And I say that as someone who has put tens of thousands of play hours into their games.
That's why you go PC + Switch 2
 
Sony kicked out out of the home consoles business Sega, Nintendo and now Xbox. And like Sega (+others) and now Xbox, Nintendo did stop making home consoles with WiiU because they lost their war against Sony in that field.

This thread is an overreaction to this painful truth.

It's hilarious to claim that Nintendo have won any home console market, when they left 3 gens ago, after the colossal failures of Gamecube and Wii U. Afterward, they needed to cannibalize Nintendo 3DS to get Switch running.

People claiming that a console that WILL NOT have GTA 6 winning anything is wild. And I dont give a shit about GTA, but come on.
 
It's hilarious to claim that Nintendo have won any home console market, when they left 3 gens ago, after the colossal failures of Gamecube and Wii U. Afterward, they needed to cannibalize Nintendo 3DS to get Switch running.
And yet apparently everybody now wants to have their own handheld/hybrid now.

Nintendo innovates and the industry imitates.
 
Every playstation ever released since the very beginning have been media players that also play games. Nintendo out there been the ones actually making traditional consoles that focus on games first not just a glorified CD/DVD/Buray player, although that would explain why ponies love those movie games it's ingrained in them.
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although that would explain why ponies love those movie games it's ingrained in them.

"Ponies" love "movie games" and Nintendo fans love "children's games".

Why is it warriors can't come up with anything new? Rehashing the same old lines for decades now.
 
The fact that the switch still hasn't caught up to PS2 sales; from a time when there was 3 billion less people in the world.. I'd say no.

Besides, Nintendo hasn't made a good controller since the SNES era. Their hardware is only alive and sells because of their software.
 
Sony is stepping aside from consoles only in your dreams, you are desilusional.

Sony kicked out out of the home consoles business Sega, Nintendo and now Xbox. And like Sega (+others) and now Xbox, Nintendo did stop making home consoles with WiiU because they lost their war against Sony in that field.

It's really nonsensical and dumb to think Sony would leave the home consoles market now that PlayStation will have this market for themselves only (as Nintendo had the portable console market for themselves only with Switch).

Even more considering that Sony is breaking many all time records in gaming history for any console maker in most metrics, plus are in a multi year low growth pattern in most areas.
They primarily aim at some different audiences, but wouldn't say either Sony or Nintendo have a market to themselves. Nintendo still has a foot in the home console market via the Wii audience part of Switch buyers, and it looks like Sony will be pushing a foot more into that makret with whatever new portable device they release (and of course they already have the Portal).
 
PC is easily the best by far and it ain't even close and the gap will keep growing bigger and bigger.

Between PS and Nintendo, it's a tie, PS got some good timed exclusives while Nintendo only really got Zelda and the Zelda games within the last decade aren't even the best Zelda. Mario Kart is a fun game but nothing major.
 
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The fact that the switch still hasn't caught up to PS2 sales; from a time when there was 3 billion less people in the world.. I'd say no.

Besides, Nintendo hasn't made a good controller since the SNES era. Their hardware is only alive and sells because of their software.
PS2 sold for like twice as long as the Switch, kept selling in developing markets long after the PS3 released and for pennies at that. Switch managed to sell almost just the same never getting a price cut.
 
PS2 sold for like twice as long as the Switch, kept selling in developing markets long after the PS3 released and for pennies at that. Switch managed to sell almost just the same never getting a price cut.
Well, with switch 1 literally being increased in price just recently, those numbers are going to decelerate pretty quick. Topped with inflation, among other factors, it's just not the same impact, imo.
 
Not everyone wants the endless tedium of PC gaming.
PS5 Pro + Switch 2 = Dream Team
True but that's a dying breed. Steam went from some niche 1% of the PS2 userbase store to having more monthly active users than PS4 and PS5 combined. Steam and PC gaming is the biggest platform (not counting mobile) now and continues to grow while the console user has stopped growing because kids play on phones and tablets and the ones really into games move to PC. So if kids can handle a PC I'm sure most people are fine and that's exactly how steam grew into the behemoth it is now, PC is not some mysterious esoteric thing if kids can handle it just fine.

The future is the present: mobile gaming and second to that PC. Consoles are not attracting new users like they used to, because why would they when a kid has all he needs as soon as his parents buy him a tablet.
 
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Nintendo will never chase « trends ». They would make exclusive games on an alarm clock before 3rd party

And don't get me wrong, I would love Nintendo games outside their hardware, just ain't seeing it happening in my lifetime

Lmao, people like this are the ones that flip out the hardest when it eventually happens. And it will 😂😂🫵.

Anyways, here's the reality:

PlayStation won the Perception War of making gaming societally acceptable and the Console War through game with set pieces and grand moments. Absolutely amazing IP till PS4.

Microsoft won the innovation war of getting console MP off the ground and no matter how you look at it, almost 80% of all gaming PC's are windows. Microsoft has you all by the balls.

Nintendo won through handheld and hybrid consolidation of presenting their IP to overgrown kids and on cheap hardware to keep it profitable.

Winner?

PC 🤣🤣😂. Play anything you want, any platform that came before. PC lets you truly be free and be platform and hardware agnostic. Console, Hybrid, Handheld. You got everything on Steam, Epic, GeForce Now. Emulation, Mods, Trainers. Why the fuck would anyone support consoles now is beyond me. While paying for "live" services. You fools are getting scammed.
 
True but that's a dying breed. Steam went from some niche 1% of the PS2 userbase store to having more monthly active users than PS4 and PS5 combined. Steam and PC gaming is the biggest platform (not counting mobile) now and continues to grow while the console user has stopped growing because kids play on phones and tablets and the ones really into games move to PC. So if kids can handle a PC I'm sure most people are fine and that's exactly how steam grew into the behemoth it is now, PC is not some mysterious esoteric thing if kids can handle it just fine.

The future is the present: mobile gaming and second to that PC. Consoles are not attracting new users like they used to, because why would they when a kid has all he needs as soon as his parents buy him a tablet.
I'm sure you're right for the kids.
I don't see Nintendo going anywhere soon though.

It's not for me though, I've done the PC gaming thing, I still have my HTPC-cased Gaming PC in the living room next to my AV receiver, I'm much happier with PS5 Pro and Switch 2, all the endless fannying about with settings, drivers etc. chasing optimum settings is not for me, I want to sit down and start a game, choosing "performance" mode is enough for me.
 
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PC 🤣🤣😂. Play anything you want, any platform that came before. PC lets you truly be free and be platform and hardware agnostic. Console, Hybrid, Handheld. You got everything on Steam, Epic, GeForce Now. Emulation, Mods, Trainers. Why the fuck would anyone support consoles now is beyond me. While paying for "live" services. You fools are getting scammed.
Because some people have a life outside gaming and have no interest in spending endless hours tinkering on PCs.
 
Because some people have a life outside gaming and have no interest in spending endless hours tinkering on PCs.

Lmao, its literally plug and play now on Steam. Do you live in 2004? Literally 5 minutes of tinkering for emulation or drivers whatever you want from a lifetime free of cucked console slavery. You act like consoles don't get 15 minute firmware upates.
 
All the endless fanning about with settings, drivers etc. chasing optimum settings is not for me, I want to sit down and start a game, choosing "performance" mode is enough for me.

Aaaahh, yes classic. Your PRO counterparts are chasing the same thing on consoles. With Quality or Performance.

Here let me help you:
Settings > Graphics > Toggle For:
Low, Medium, High or Ultra

If game has DLSS, FSR, Xess
Quality, Performance or any variation of it.

Please don't lie about things being literally 3 clicks at max.
 
Lmao, its literally plug and play now on Steam. Do you live in 2004? Literally 5 minutes of tinkering for emulation or drivers whatever you want from a lifetime free of cucked console slavery. You act like consoles don't get 15 minute firmware upates.
"its literally plug and play now" - PC Gamers have been saying that for 20 years and it's nonsense.








Just a tiny sample, PC gaming might be much easier than 30 years ago but it's miles away from consoles.
 
Aaaahh, yes classic. Your PRO counterparts are chasing the same thing on consoles. With Quality or Performance.

Here let me help you:
Settings > Graphics > Toggle For:
Low, Medium, High or Ultra

If game has DLSS, FSR, Xess
Quality, Performance or any variation of it.

Please don't lie about things being literally 3 clicks at max.
And that's what PC gamers do?
Don't lie about things that basically don't happen.
 
And that's what PC gamers do?
Don't lie about things that basically don't happen.

YES. What the actual fuck. Those who like to tinker can. God, why is customization a bad thing. You're wasting time on a forum aren't you as an example? Is this good use of our time. No. But still, its part of your choices. People have them. Let me guess, you have an iPhone as well?
 
YES. What the actual fuck. Those who like to tinker can. God, why is customization a bad thing. You're wasting time on a forum aren't you as an example? Is this good use of our time. No. But still, its part of your choices. People have them. Let me guess, you have an iPhone as well?
Yes, I have an iPhone, yes I'm posting here while working.
How many PC games do you know who don't tinker?
How many do you know who just use high settings and off you go?
How common are driver problems and instability?
 
"its literally plug and play now" - PC Gamers have been saying that for 20 years and it's nonsense.








Just a tiny sample, PC gaming might be much easier than 30 years ago but it's miles away from consoles.


Should I bring in RROD or YLOD from back in they day? People getting banned on consoles for no reason? Or why game purchases are never reverted back? Or games that brick your consoles? You paying for live services that don't deliver? Lmao, and most of these cases are rare for PC and Consoles. If you go looking around for shit, you'll find it.
 
It's such a shame people have to be ridiculous fanboys.
Every platform has weakness, it's down to what's important to you.
"PC Gaming is as plug and play as a console" is like "my PS5 can outperform any PC" - it's nonsense.
There is a convenience/performance tradeoff and always has been.

You can be an adult and say "to me the decreased convenience is worth it for all the other benefits" but no, it has to be complete denial.
 
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Yes, I have an iPhone, yes I'm posting here while working.
How many PC games do you know who don't tinker?
How many do you know who just use high settings and off you go?
How common are driver problems and instability?

1. Choices.
2. I tinker alot. Part of my choices. I want the best experience. I'm also a snob for my gaming requirements. You may treat it as a lunchtime experience. For me its an 8 course meal with 4K, 120 Fps and beyond at all times. I respect my hobby. If I can't afford to, I deal with it. But at least my wallet isnt getting scammed.
3. Many. All converted console players with a higher end card.
4. None whatsoever since I download Geforce Drivers as soon as they drop. I like nVidias offerings better. But AMD is open, so if things ever came to supporting a company, it would be AMD.
 
Should I bring in RROD or YLOD from back in they day? People getting banned on consoles for no reason? Or why game purchases are never reverted back? Or games that brick your consoles? You paying for live services that don't deliver? Lmao, and most of these cases are rare for PC and Consoles. If you go looking around for shit, you'll find it.
Sure, bring up a hardware problem from 3 generations ago, that'll win the argument.
 
It's such a shame people have to be ridiculous fanboys.
Every platform has weakness, it's down to what's important to you.
"PC Gaming is as plug and play as a console" is like "my PS5 can outperform any PC" - it's nonsense.
There is a convenience/performance tradeoff and always has been.

You can be an adult and say "to me the decreased convenience is worth it for all the other benefits but no, it has to be complete denial.

Lol, you can't be a fanboy for hardware thats platform agnostic 😂🫵. That's like saying I can't eat eggs from the supermarket because I prefer the ones from Amazon delivery. Maybe if you were running a PC you wouldn't even be here. I just got off playing BF6 Open Beta with my leisure experience 🧐. And here I am arguing with a dude tied to a piece of hardware. One is a platform and the other is hardware. Get it right.
 
1. Choices.
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2. I tinker alot. Part of my choices. I want the best experience. I'm also a snob for my gaming requirements. You may treat it as a lunchtime experience. For me its an 8 course meal with 4K, 120 Fps and beyond at all times. I respect my hobby. If I can't afford to, I deal with it. But at least my wallet isnt getting scammed.
Good for you, you tinker and get higher performance AT A COST, that's the point that you're denying. Why are you talking about being able to afford something?
3. Many. All converted console players with a higher end card.
Sure, that's the norm.
4. None whatsoever since I download Geforce Drivers as soon as they drop. I like nVidias offerings better. But AMD is open, so if things ever came to supporting a company, it would be AMD.
All the endless thousands of posts with people having problems are fake. Gotcha.
 
Lol, you can't be a fanboy for hardware thats platform agnostic 😂🫵. That's like saying I can't eat eggs from the supermarket because I prefer the ones from Amazon delivery. Maybe if you were running a PC you wouldn't even be here. I just got off playing BF6 Open Beta with my leisure experience 🧐. And here I am arguing with a dude tied to a piece of hardware. One is a platform and the other is hardware. Get it right.
The PC is the platform and you know it.
The whole PCMR thing is so incredibly cringeworthy.
 
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Good for you, you tinker and get higher performance AT A COST, that's the point that you're denying. Why are you talking about being able to afford something?

Sure, that's the norm.


All the endless thousands of posts with people having problems are fake. Gotcha.

1. Choices. Figure it out.
2. What's the cost on a mid end card? You can even by the older ones that cost less than a console and still be future proofed.
3. -
4. Lol, right... people have problems, they post about it. I've done it too. But I'll never leave the convenience of the PC. It's way too precious.
 
Is it nintendo is win war of traditions? Likey noes but they is makings strange console for much generation and is that why my reason to think.
 
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