Desprado123
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Yes if game is designed on PC first than Xbox Series X will take 10% advantage over PS5 in performance just like in Capcom games.
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Digital Foundry: Alan Wake 2 Xbox Tech Review - Excellent On Series X, But What About Series S?
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T4keD0wN
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You are right, tested it now and it makes a pretty big difference in performance
In the game itself ? Or do you mean on my end?
That could explain why i had normal performance at most points and ~30 at others (which just happened to be after long session).
I though it was just foliage+lightning being very demanding which given how well it looks seemed fair.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Series s underwhelming again
Negotiator101
Member
The true next gen looking games should run better on Series X given the power difference.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Its a bug in the game. Affects latter levels if you play for a long time. they are investigating it.
And yes, turning down the post processing setting will net you the same performance enabling RT reflections will do. Its like 20% hit to framerate just like RT reflections but little to not visual difference. You will notice it in some depth of field shots where there is extra shimmering but during gameplay it will be very hard to notice.
Freeman76
Member
The game looks awful in some places on series X in perf mode. Lockers and other metallic surfaces have tiny white dots everywhere, also appears in Sagas hair, and surfaces in general have an oily, fuzzy sheen to them. Other areas look amazing, its odd. At first I thought it might be my Oled, but its the same on my wifes TV, she also plays on series X. I had the same issue on Cyberpunk. I think its the fact that some of the effects they use just dont work on consoles yet.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I was expecting Series X to outperform PS5 in Alan Wake 2.
Little Chicken
Member
wow Xbox Series S SHINES when it isn't being ravaged by incompetence and complacency!
Remedy didn't just copy/paste code over to Xbox and hit "that'll do" like most third party developers do.
Inspirational
Remedy didn't just copy/paste code over to Xbox and hit "that'll do" like most third party developers do.
Inspirational
Desprado123
Member
At least someone is happy for Xbox Series X.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
For the folks who suggested Alex's Alan Wake analysis was not biased in any way, please explain this?
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SEGAvangelist
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Huh? It actually looks like Remedy did a really great job with the Series S version.
Negotiator101
Member
What he's saying is right though.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Insane Metal
Member
Been playing in Quality mode on PS5 and they're right. There are quite a few segments where the game runs at lower than 30fps, it's very noticeable.
It’s really going to blow your mind to learn that people who buy affordable GPUs don’t expect the same visual performance as those who buy pricey GPUs.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Nothing to explain he is right.
AW2 runs like trash on ps5.
It's still devs fault. They should just put out identical version to XSX is the console has "weaker compute" whatever that is
Caio
Member
Great performance for XSX, I'm gonna play it very soon. I stopped playing games on Day One, as I prefer to wait for a couple of patches and have the most possible "polished" experience. The atmosphere of this game is amazing, and the only way to wait, is playing Dead Space Remake first, and then Alan Wake 2 oh yeah.
ps : really happy it looks and runs great on XSX.
oh yeah.ps : really happy it looks and runs great on XSX.
Negotiator101
Member
PS4? Really? Maybe PS4 Pro on certain games and One X definitely but PS4, I don't think so.
Senua
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Because they were using 1920x2160 to checkerboard to 4K on the PS4 Pro, not 1505x847 to upscale to 4K/1440p. Additionally, the much simpler rendering pipeline had less elements to consider in the final resolve. There's a reason we dropped AA techniques like MSAA that were fantastic in older games but started to look like shit in more visually complex titles.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
absolutely.
Play uc4, tlou2, death stranding, horizon and few other games.
Sure, it's 1080p but stable. This fsr breakup and shimmer is crap.
That's what I've complained about in my topic year or so ago.
These modes are just an excuse not to make any of the modes good.
Usually, at least 30fps/40fps modes have better image quality or RT and 60fps modes are just low res. In case of AW2, quality mode is barely 30, no rt, no reflections and terrible image quality.
Imo, there should be no modes. Just make the game in ONE GOOD WAY and over "fps unlock", so we don't need patches with ps5 pro/ps6 etc.
Saying that though, I do appreciate 40fps modes.
mrBarrelNut
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It's the FSR2 upscaling with it's artifacts.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
No he isn't as he doesn't understand other factors like Data Streaming which no gaming device does faster than PS5 so it can't be utilized with 3rd party games.
Tried saying this the other day... some are conveniently blind.
Better looking games can be found last gen vs this so called current gen consoles version of AW2.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
ps4 slim. my shots from 2017. And these games are mostly stable in motion. in AW2 everything shimmers and flickers even when you don't move. When you move, it's tragedy.
Mister Wolf
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The truth hurts sometimes. This happens on the PC side of gaming too. People with old hardware get their balloon popped all the time.
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MDSLKTR
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Oh, what's wrong with it?
SEGAvangelist
Member
Where is the bias in Alex's X post?
ChuckeRearmed
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Obligatory
I guess Microsoft was waiting for ABK deal to close
I guess Microsoft was waiting for ABK deal to close
Negotiator101
Member
Alex is far more knowledgeable than you, he is also a PC gamer so has no bias between consoles.
GHG
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
pc gamers tend to dislike consoles with a bias.
And they also are mvoe favorable to xbox brand because they release on pc as opposed to ps
Skifi28
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Negotiator101
Member
I've seen Alex criticise Xbox plenty but if you say so.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
DS is upscaling from a native pixel count of 4.1 million pixels. thats what 4kcb is.ps4 slim. my shots from 2017. And these games are mostly stable in motion. in AW2 everything shimmers and flickers even when you don't move. When you move, it's tragedy.
Alan Wake is upscaling from a native pixel count of around 2.8 million pixels. 1290p. or 1800p cb. They probably shouldve targeted FSR quality instead of balanced and lowered the settings instead.
Mr Moose
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I thought he used to a while back, can't seem to find posts by him though, maybe a name change or something?
He said PS4 slim.
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TheRedRiders
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Too much flip flopping around "teraflops don't matter" to "teraflops do matter".
This game and its engine are heavily compute bound because it makes extensive use of mesh shaders so it was very likely going to run better on the Series X than the PS5.
This game and its engine are heavily compute bound because it makes extensive use of mesh shaders so it was very likely going to run better on the Series X than the PS5.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
That's just 1080p native. shots from ps4 slim.
yeah agree. FSR should not be used with THIS low res. Especially not with this many specular and grainy assets
Feel Like I'm On 42
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Right? And they made a big deal about dualsense
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
FSR
There you go contorting stuff again with your daft self. Who was saying people who buy affordable GPUs expect the same visual performance as those who buy pricey GPUs?It’s really going to blow your mind to learn that people who buy affordable GPUs don’t expect the same visual performance as those who buy pricey GPUs.
I'm saying I don't see how this is a triumph in optimisation on series S that makes other devs like Capcom seem incompetent when Remedy have halved the framerate, lowered the settings considerably AND cut back resolution. Was just pointing out how that half framerate has become normalised all of a sudden.
The cheek of you talking about expectations too when the expectation was "the same just at a lower resolution", now you're getting all three cutbacks, to framerate, to settings and to resolution. Even your own past posts thought differently.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
In Alex's case, he's being stubborn because he was one of those saying Xbox would be running games better based on the specs sheet. He's using this as a "told ya" moment, instead of admitting that basing everything on TFlops was foolish.
3 years later, a handful of games perform significantly better on the Xbox and he thinks he's vindicated. I vaguely recall the same narrative being peddled with A Plague Tale: Requiem but it was back to the status quo after. Perhaps this has something to do with mesh shaders but games using that features are scarce so I'm not expecting to see such a performance difference often, assuming it's even due to the usage of mesh shaders.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I guess Microsoft was waiting for ABK deal to close
CMA would have denied approving if they saw the mesh shaders in effect. Smart move.
MarkMe2525
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GHG
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I'm begging to all things holy that you guys are joking right now.
I could just imagine judge Corley saying "and what is this mesh shader that you're talking about, someone please explain it to me".
Would have been a hoot.
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