Digital Foundry crew bash Windows for 18 minutes straight
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pudel
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Sorry, never used trainer. But most mods are working. Just not sure about memory injections.....that might need "tinkering" as
rodrigolfp
would say. 
StereoVsn
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Going to research this a bit. I need my CheatEngine tables for Open World games, especially for UbiSlop!Sorry, never used trainer. But most mods are working. Just not sure about memory injections.....that might need "tinkering" as
pudel
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Let us know if it works. I am also new to this whole linux world. A quick search gave me this:Going to research this a bit. I need my CheatEngine tables for Open World games, especially for UbiSlop!
...so there are ways.
rushgore
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I am considering getting a Radeon GPU instead of waiting for Nvidia to fix their crap
Felessan
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I ask again - why you keep mentioning QA when QA doesn't fix anything. Do you really believe that MS doesn't know about most issues their products have when literally anybody can report bug to MS and it really used in professional environment?
And yes, btw, with current technologies and trends (when devs do autotests themselves) - you don't need that many QA anyway. It used to be around 1-2 QA for 1 dev and now it's 1 QA for 2-3 devs as approach changed and responsibilities reshuffled.
I worked in proper dev teams and dealt with MS professionally as both QA and as a part of big customer that wanted tailored needs. They surely ain't perfect and they have their large share of problems. But they are 3 trillion company - so at least they know how to make their product sellable - and lots of their high-value products are not as irreplaceable as some people think.
Just the amount of stupid shit fantasies I see from people who have zero idea about how this stuff actually work is astonishing. And I don't really fond of people going around and bitching about tales from elven forest. Because if it was not MS but someone else in exact same situation - quality of product might be better, but only marginally so. Lots of this stuff with poor performance and lots of legacy etc. WILL be there regardless of those who code it.
It's like so in any big project, nothing new
People tends to think that IT is for 3 people highly enthusiastic projects, while 95% projects, especially corporate IT, are very mundane, strictly structurally organized and people there motivated strictly by money and not some idealistic bullshit.
nowhat
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Basically most (all?) *nix filesystems have the concept of "inodes" that allows a process using a previous version of a library/file to keep running, while a newly launched process depending on the same library/file will use the updated version. Once no process uses the previous version, that storage space can be freed. So yes, up to a point, you can do updates without rebooting. Logging out and back in when it comes to GUI library updates is advisable though. And for kernel upgrades, a reboot is required*).
*) yes, I'm aware of ksplice (basically patching a live kernel), but I'm not aware of anyone doing that within a desktop context
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sadly Nvidia is so far ahead I have a hard time even looking at Radeon.
Unless price is the focus - which it isnt for me
Thebonehead
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Crossed $4 Trillion today
Durin
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I think the time to pull that legacy support will be when something like Proton or another translation layer can do the x86 to ARM conversion near flawlessly. ProtonDB recently showed about 90% of the Steam library works on Linux using Proton, so they've done most of the heavy lifting on translating the graphics API part...the next step is the translating the instruction set, and ARM doesn't have the baggage of x86.
I've had more issues with Microsoft's Xbox app in the last year than the last 15 with Steam. The whole UWP packaging format and their connected game services + drm attached to it is just inferior to pretty much any other generic windows installer, when it comes to ease of use. Only reason I put up with it was the earlier price of game pass.
Kenneth Haight
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alabtrosMyster
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I said this to Windows on my personal computers:
Crayon
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keefged4
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So tried bazzite today, specifically with Kingdom Come Deliverance 2. Desktop Nvidia build worked fine with VRR and played well, but in game HDR doesn't work yet. So tried the nvidia-deck version as I heard it does have in game HDR working, which it does, but VRR now doesn't work properly at 4k 120hz with HDR enabled. Whole screen Is garbled.
It's so close. But not quite there yet.
As others have said, once Nvidia support is up to par with windows, I'll jump ship no question. At the moment there's too many compromises and performance loss for it to be a viable option, even with Windows being as shit as it is now. I'll stick with Chris Titus and OOSU+ for now.
It's so close. But not quite there yet.
As others have said, once Nvidia support is up to par with windows, I'll jump ship no question. At the moment there's too many compromises and performance loss for it to be a viable option, even with Windows being as shit as it is now. I'll stick with Chris Titus and OOSU+ for now.
Broad Spectrum
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There's a Steam launch options command you can try if you haven't already. I think it's PROTON_ENABLE_WAYLAND PROTON_ENABLE_HDR %command%
CamHostage
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...Why so short? 
PlayStaytion
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I know people very close to me and passed away in the most recent years who are fan of Linux " All of us in the tech industry" and spend most of their time playing on Linux, and I could tell you because of that we don't have many things in common, gaming related, to share with each other. In the end, it's not worth arguing over which OS is better cause the consequences are way bigger than you could imagine and I mean it.
Radical_3d
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Windows in pathetic but everyone here saying they are switching to Linux before Valve makes it user friendly…
keefged4
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Thanks, I'll try this next time.
DarkStream
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What?
I'm not sure I follow - are you saying people died because they preferred Linux? Or that their preference somehow robbed you of having things in common?
That seems like a significant leap from OS preferences. I argue as an IT professional, not as someone arguing about life and death.
As a professional, it is worth arguing about it as it does affect my day to day work as well as concerns about privacy.
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nowhat
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Hmm, interesting. While SteamOS (and derivatives, I'm assuming) use a custom compositor as opposed to KWin when not running the desktop mode, I thought Wayland was already in use? I don't need to try any launch options right now, just out of curiosity.
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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eeeeemmm yeaaaa but Windows sucks since like forever and it only gone worse since Windows 8. By the way, Windows users aren't part of the PC Master Race. They're hostages in a GPU arms race they never asked for. Every update: 6 GB of telemetry, 12 new bugs, and a random Cortana resurrection. Meanwhile, Mac users whisper: it just works, and Linux users whisper: it just compiles. We don't flex our hardware, we survive it. 
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PlayStaytion
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You misunderstood, I'm talking about videogames, not the job industry. Videogames create relationships, there are many friendships based on videogames and if I'm not mistaken videogames friendships last longer than other friendships.
Cyberpunkd
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Although I dislike DF since I don't think masturbating over pixels is what matter in enjoying the game they make a great point - one guy mentions switching to MacOS, and all the bullshit problems that pop up randomly just go away.
There will always be people who will say that Windows runs on all machines, and something that complex just cannot work well, but I don't buy that explanation. It can always run better, it's a matter of priorities. I suspect it's simply technical debt accumulated over decades that weight down the OS, I have absolutely no idea if Microsoft is able to rebuild Windows from the ground up while enforcing back compatibility.
There will always be people who will say that Windows runs on all machines, and something that complex just cannot work well, but I don't buy that explanation. It can always run better, it's a matter of priorities. I suspect it's simply technical debt accumulated over decades that weight down the OS, I have absolutely no idea if Microsoft is able to rebuild Windows from the ground up while enforcing back compatibility.
Radical_3d
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Hmmm... sounds familiar. If you look it that way it seems Microsoft treats all their franchises the same way.
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DarkStream
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Ar¢tos
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Linux kills people!
Live on GAF, the return of Freedom Gate Co.!
Broad Spectrum
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So take this with a grain of salt because I'm guessing. Wayland is enabled for your system but isn't enabled yet in games. I remember reading that these commands were added in Proton Experimental recently to enable Wayland specifically in Steam games. HDR needs Wayland to function on Linux, so without it, it won't work in games. What I had to do was use that command and turn HDR on in my desktop video settings and it then worked.
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JCK75
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I am a PC Gamer for life but I do agree.. Microsoft is just fucking everything up on every front.
working in IT 11 has been a nightmare, I'm currently trying to convert MDT to Powershell and get it working because they will soon block VBscript and fuck up our imaging system which I maintain.
I keep hoping SteamOS/Bazzite takes enough of a hold to where anti-cheat software allows multiplayer games on the OS..when that happens I very may well jump ship.
working in IT 11 has been a nightmare, I'm currently trying to convert MDT to Powershell and get it working because they will soon block VBscript and fuck up our imaging system which I maintain.
I keep hoping SteamOS/Bazzite takes enough of a hold to where anti-cheat software allows multiplayer games on the OS..when that happens I very may well jump ship.
Walliwallipaloo
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Windows deserves it. It's flagrantly hostile to the customer.
Kataploom
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Windows definitely got worse, PC gaming in general is way better in the sense it's basically plug and play for me despite what some "bug muh drrrrriverssss!!!11" fellas bitch about, but Windows in terms of game performance and fluidity has gone downhill in many games.
Some months ago I refunded R&C because I had windows open for whatever reason and installed it there, being the performance not optimal enough so I'd rather save it for when I upgrade my GPU, then I installed it on Linux just to see how it ran and it was buttery smooth and even at higher resolution
so I cancelled the refund request right away and the game played amazingly, even with HDR, which I can't do on Windows because it's dimm af.
The only recent game that hasn't worked great for me on Linux is FF16, I mean it's playable and shit, but there are small graphical glitches in the borders of the UI elements and performance is worse than in Windows in general, but that has been the only game. I actually don't care about switching OS, I'll use Linux most of the time unless it's a non-Steam game or something like that, I don't want to deal with Windows gaming performance, it's just absurdly bad these days, not unplayable or something, it just feels like you're not getting 100% of your hardware many times, which I don't feel with Linux.
Some months ago I refunded R&C because I had windows open for whatever reason and installed it there, being the performance not optimal enough so I'd rather save it for when I upgrade my GPU, then I installed it on Linux just to see how it ran and it was buttery smooth and even at higher resolution
so I cancelled the refund request right away and the game played amazingly, even with HDR, which I can't do on Windows because it's dimm af.The only recent game that hasn't worked great for me on Linux is FF16, I mean it's playable and shit, but there are small graphical glitches in the borders of the UI elements and performance is worse than in Windows in general, but that has been the only game. I actually don't care about switching OS, I'll use Linux most of the time unless it's a non-Steam game or something like that, I don't want to deal with Windows gaming performance, it's just absurdly bad these days, not unplayable or something, it just feels like you're not getting 100% of your hardware many times, which I don't feel with Linux.
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Nydius
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This is absolutely true. I spent my career in CS and IT until 2017 and mainly supported Microsoft clients and servers (so I spent way too much maintaining my Microsoft certifications) and I'm here to say that the underpinnings of Windows 10 and Windows 11 date back to Windows NT 4 and Windows 2000. They just keep bolting things onto it, making minor tweaks here and there, but the core kernel has changed very little since NT/2000.
It's the Gamebryo Engine of OS's. Make a few tweaks and call it something else (Creation Engine), make a few more tweaks and call it something else yet again (Creation Engine 2), but at its core it still has all the issues of the original Gamebryo.
Being beholden to "legacy software" is exactly why Windows is in the state it's in.
I'm reminded of when Apple migrated from PowerPC to x86 with Mac OS X and only kept PowerPC backwards compatibility for a very short time then ended it. If Apple felt required to support PowerPC software in perpetuity, Mac OS would as much a mess as modern Windows.
keefged4
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Unfortunately this command just stops the game from booting full stop. Any other ideas? What distro would you recommend with an Nvidia GPU?
alabtrosMyster
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Too late, already done it months ago, for the refular day to day stuff it's not any more complex than windows.Windows in pathetic but everyone here saying they are switching to Linux before Valve makes it user friendly…
I'd say that getting rid of the constant nagging in Windows is worse than any technical issue you may or may not encounter while making the switch.
Salty Pickle
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Windows peaked with Windows 8.
hououinkyouma00
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If SteamOS can ever fix the issues with anti-cheat then I'd jump ship but it's just not there and until I can play stuff like Battlefield 6 I'm out.
I could dual boot and use it for my single player stuff but that's too much work.
I could dual boot and use it for my single player stuff but that's too much work.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Almost the same.
Salty Pickle
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Up until Windows 11 you could double click top left corner of a window to close it, even though it was nothing there. That is an ancient artifact from Windows 3.11 and they switched to top right corner with Windows 95.