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Digital Foundry crew bash Windows for 18 minutes straight
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KiteGr
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Steam OS runs almost everything, and since it uses Linux, it runs everything much lighter despite the emulator running in the background. Running Linux with the Proton emulator is lighter than running native on Windows.
Here you can check the compatibility.
Poppinfresh
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You forgot to mention how much Linux gaming sucks if you have an NVIDIA GPU, which is what most people are going to have.
Last time I checked, a bunch of stuff wasn't working properly, and when it did work, you lost significant performance compared to using the NVIDIA GPU on Windows.
And let's not forget that essentially any game that uses a kernel-level anti-cheat is unplayable on Linux.
One day, Linux might be the better OS for gaming, but right now, Windows still wins hands-down, except in certain circumstances. Most of those being handhelds with very specific non-NVIDIA hardware.
Broad Spectrum
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At 1440p in a 20 game average Windows runs at 171 FPS versus 149fps on Linux which is a difference of 22 FPS on an NVIDIA 4080. I think the people recommending Linux as a viable gaming platform don't realise how unplayable 149 FPS is versus 171 in the grand scheme of things. You might as well be gaming on a Nintendo 64 at that point.
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winjer
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But that is not an issue with Linux. It's an issue with nvidia drivers for Linux.
Nvidia gives very little support for Linux. Though it has been worse. There is a reason why Linus said this about nvidia.
Broad Spectrum
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Yep and AFAIK they're actively working on a fix for the performance difference because they've identified the bug causing it. So it's not going to be an issue forever. You do get better performance in Linux on AMD but people characterising NVIDIA on Linux as awful and unplayable are not being honest.
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Liopleurodon
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Nice try.
Still gonna continue using Windows.
Still gonna continue using Windows.
BeardSpike
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What lack of gaming support you speak of?
I mainly play on Linux. And on nonraytraced games I have better experience than on Windows.
I even managed to play Helldivers 2 and Arc Raiders on Linux without any problems.
Currently playing Cronos New Dawn without any issues too.
Also Steam on Linux auto downloads pre-compilated shaders from Valve servers, so for example Silent Hill f would be absolutely stutter free experience.
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ReasonBeing
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I'll just stick with OS2 Warp, thank you very much
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
So it's more issue using Linux vs Windows.
BeardSpike
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I recently saw Matt switch from RX 9070XT to RTX 5070TI
Doesn't seem like a bad experience.
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Wolzard
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It has already been discovered that the blame for the low performance in DX12 lies with Vulkan. Nvidia uses a lot of DX12 resources, and Vulkan doesn't always have an equivalent. Therefore, Kronos will rewrite some of Vulkan's code to fix this. This type of bug also affects Intel.
Nvidia offers more Linux support nowadays than AMD. Their GPUs work day-one, many new features appear in the drivers (DLSS, ray tracing, etc.), and they even have a small management software package. AMD GPUs work well on Linux thanks to Valve's efforts in creating a driver separate from AMD's. The effort is from the community.
This rant was during the Optimus era, laptops with Nvidia APUs, which were quite buggy at the time. Shortly after, Nvidia took action and Linus gave them a thumbs up. Many years later, Linus said that Nvidia was one of the companies he liked the most.
Torvalds gives Nvidia software thumbs up, not middle finger
In a surprise reversal, the graphics chip designer has released experimental software to help open-source programmers use its new Tegra K1 mobile processor.
www.cnet.com
KubeCon China - at 33-and-a-third, Linux is a long player. So, why does Linus Torvalds hate AI?
Linux prime mover Linus Torvalds travelled all the way to Hong Kong to explain his dislike of AI hype. We should be grateful for him.
diginomica.com
BeardSpike
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I'm tempted to upgrade in the future to Nvidia due to recent AMD decisions and I mostly game on Linux. Gonna dive into Nvidia side of things more when I think it will be a time to upgrade. But I like what I see generally. It's nice to have more options in the future tbh.It has already been discovered that the blame for the low performance in DX12 lies with Vulkan. Nvidia uses a lot of DX12 resources, and Vulkan doesn't always have an equivalent. Therefore, Kronos will rewrite some of Vulkan's code to fix this. This type of bug also affects Intel.
Nvidia offers more Linux support nowadays than AMD. Their GPUs work day-one, many new features appear in the drivers (DLSS, ray tracing, etc.), and they even have a small management software package. AMD GPUs work well on Linux thanks to Valve's efforts in creating a driver separate from AMD's. The effort is from the community.
This rant was during the Optimus era, laptops with Nvidia APUs, which were quite buggy at the time. Shortly after, Nvidia took action and Linus gave them a thumbs up. Many years later, Linus said that Nvidia was one of the companies he liked the most.
Torvalds gives Nvidia software thumbs up, not middle finger
In a surprise reversal, the graphics chip designer has released experimental software to help open-source programmers use its new Tegra K1 mobile processor.
KubeCon China - at 33-and-a-third, Linux is a long player. So, why does Linus Torvalds hate AI?
Linux prime mover Linus Torvalds travelled all the way to Hong Kong to explain his dislike of AI hype. We should be grateful for him.
I should resume watching Matts channel in the meantime to see what's what.
His channel always was and will be a huge help and info gold mine about Linux gaming from what I see.
And him gaming and making content on Nvidia should help me in the future, since I know how my RX 9070XT works on Linux anyways.
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Poppinfresh
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For all the Linux gamers out there, help me out.
I have a 5090, 9800X3D, 64 GB RAM
I use Windows 11 and don't have any major issues with it.
I mainly game on a PC hooked up to my LG OLED. The PC boots directly into Steam Big Picture Mode.
Why should I switch to Linux? What would switching to Linux improve for me ?
I have a 5090, 9800X3D, 64 GB RAM
I use Windows 11 and don't have any major issues with it.
I mainly game on a PC hooked up to my LG OLED. The PC boots directly into Steam Big Picture Mode.
Why should I switch to Linux? What would switching to Linux improve for me ?
BeardSpike
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Shader pre-compilation stutters.
It autodownloads precompiled shaders from Valve servers on Steam.
For example Silent Hill f would be stutter free experience.
I've been playing Evil West on Windows and it was a stutter fest. On Linux it is flawless.
It downloaded like 2GB of shaders uncompressed it and voilà top notch experience
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pudel
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If you dont have issues with windows than stick with windows.
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BeardSpike
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Dunno, if he wants to try it why not. If I didn't try it myself, I wouldn't have known what I know now. And I know I love GNOME with Dash-to-dock and Windows gives me an ick everytime I must hop on to play some kernel level anticheat games.
Poppinfresh
Be sure to dual boot though. And install it on a separate SSD disk, not partition.
I recommend CachyOS, setting secure boot on it is a breeze.
Gaming with CachyOS Guide
It covers essential package installation, Steam gaming with Proton, various Proton version options, Lutris as a central hub for all games, and script installers for popular games.
wiki.cachyos.org
Edit: https://www.protondb.com/ is also useful to see what games can run on Linux.
I've been copying Helldivers 2 launch parameters from there and haven't have had any issues tbh.
Poppinfresh
you can PM me if you have any issues. Although I'm on RX 9070XT I think I can still help setting up CachyOS and whatever Kernel to use and how to install NVK drivers we can always see what's Mattscreative has been using for his RTX 5070TI and we can go from there. I think he uses BORE kernel but Cachy has a pretty useful Kernel Manager and we can install bunch of Kernels and see what's what generally.I'm using newest RC kernel 6.18 and I haven't have issues yet.
I'm on rEFInd boot manager btw and I recommend it big time for dual booting.
Offered Boot Managers
Description and recommendations for the currently offered boot managers
wiki.cachyos.org
And you can switch kernels on the fly.
I also have custom launch parameter in there to unlock gpu overclocking and I use LACT to achive same settings I basically have on Windows drivers.
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BeardSpike
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Poppinfresh
I also like how I can basically change everything in Linux from icons to mouse cursor, to basically force dark mode in any app whatsoever, or theme. I can have coherent menus, if something is dark themed I right click and the menu list is dark themed also. Lmao.Even exe files I run under Wine/Proton can run with dark outlines, something which absolutely pisses me off on Windows. As my PC monitor can get as bright as a sun in both HDR and SDR. And sometimes late at night similar apps in Windows burn my eyes out, and not on Linux. There's some peace in that also that you can tweak what you basically want and it's not that hard to do so also, so it's not like you have to sit at it for hours lmao like some would want you to believe.
Be sure to install TimeShift and use it, it will save you a lot of headaches.
Another distro I would recommend after CachyOS is Nobara. I think you can basically just let it autoinstall everything for you. And it can do so also with Nvidia drivers. Could be a nice first experience with Linux as you won't have to touch terminal at all. It also uses CachyOS kernels so it will be nice and secure distro with top-notch kernel improvements. Also GloriousEggRoll is really helpful if you have any issues they will try to help you in any way they can.
FYI OptiScaler just works on Linux so you can use DLSS all you want.
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Broad Spectrum
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Gaming wise, you're likely not going to notice much of a difference beyond what has already been mentioned.
The one thing I've heard is that distros like Bazzite are much easier than Windows to manage the operating system when using an HTPC or computer plugged into TV. Bazzite has a dedicated install ISO that will load directly into Steam Gaming mode on boot.
But if you're happy with Windows and the telemetry/bloat doesn't bother you it's probably easier to just stick with what you've got. There's going to be a bit of a learning curve switching to a new operating system as not everything functions exactly like Windows.