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[ShadowkillXNA]

Helldivers 2 needs new factions for the new war.
I nominate the RWP (Rainbow War Pony Coalition) and the Gabenites.

 

[gpn]

I want to like this since I'd really like a Steam console to hook up to my TV, but it's looking pretty weak. If it's over $300 for the lower-end model, I don't see it doing very well. If this would have been at least as good as 4070 with 12 GB (what I have in my PC), I'd have definitely picked one up, now I'm going to hold off and see what Microsoft offers in the next Xbox.

 

[neocycle]

Feel free to pay $70 for new games and paid online.

Paid online sucks but you can get most games cheap in sales on console.

 

[icecold1983]

700$ seems like a realistic starting point for the 512GB tier. Maaaybe 600$. Expecting anything lower than that is lunacy. Considering this will perform somewhere between a PS5 and Seriex S, I struggle to understand the market for such mediocrity.

 

[lastmessiah]

700$ seems like a realistic starting point for the 512GB tier. Maaaybe 600$. Expecting anything lower than that is lunacy. Considering this will perform somewhere between a PS5 and Seriex S, I struggle to understand the market for such mediocrity.

$700 at the lowest imo.

 

[Pimpbaa]

I'd probably get this to play less demanding PC only games and last gen games that never got a current gen update and of course emulators. It definitely wouldn't be my primary gaming device like the PS5 is. Even with system reserves, ps5 and series x can use more of it's pool of ram as vram in games (probably already said in the video but I couldn't only take 5 minutes of them talking). That Xbox pc thing coming out has considerably better specs and can do the same things this can, but it will probably be double the price.

 

[Neo_game]

I've discussed this at length in other topics related to other products, but a price point of $1200 is a big ask for non-upgradable hardware.

Once you get to that sort of price category for PC gamers, you tend to be dealing with more savvy customers, and most will be reluctant to dump that kind of cash in to dead end hardware.

I think the next Xbox hybrid or whatever it is, will attract more entry level PC gamers than this device with 7600m gpu.

 

[Darkness_Arises]

No way it'll be £349. Not a chance.

I'm hoping it's no more than £500. I have no idea how much it costs Valve to make. Are Valve expecting to make a profit from day one, or will they be selling it at a loss? No idea.

It is worse at playing games than a PS5. If it was using an Nvidia GPU, I would have made excuses for it being underpowered as DLSS4 can help a lot especially with a 200W power envelope. Unfortunately, it is a bandwidth starved anemic RDNA3 GPU. I got my PS5 for 315£ on sale last year. I am not paying more than 349£ for this.

512 GB is not enough storage for a PC. PS5 game sizes are easily 20-30% smaller than PC eg. BL3 on the Steam Deck is 83GB, while same game is around 58GB on the PS5. They could sell a storage-less or 64GB cheap ass model for 300£, I will add my own 2TB 2280 card. The decision to go with a 2240 SSD is also rather baffling as according to DF there is enough space for a 2280 SSD there. 2280 SSDs throttle less thanks to the larger surface area for heat dissipation and often come with more DRAM cache. If anybody wants to get 2 TB storage, I would recommend getting the 512 GB model and upgrading to a cheap 2280 2 TB SSD. An SD card is pretty useless for games that I want to play on the big screen, I do not put any AAA/AA game from the past 10 years on my Steam Deck's SD card. It just chokes on game start up and updates.

The RAM situation is also kind of weird. Why did they go with 16 GB system RAM and just 8 GB graphics memory? It would have been better to go with 8GB RAM and 16 GB graphics memory, especially since the system RAM (unlike the non-upgradeable graphics memory) is SODIMM and can be easily upgraded by the end user.

Feel free to pay $70 for new games and paid online.

Sales are on par between Steam and PSN. I am primarily a single player games kinda guy. I do not pay for PS+ and the only reason I bought the Steam Deck and am interested in the Steam machine is for single player games. Most popular multiplayer games have kernel level anti-cheat and do not work on these steam machines. If you want to play Fortnite, Roblox, CoD, BF, the steam machines are an easy skip. For single player gamers, there is no meaningful cost of ownership difference between Steam and PS5.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Sales are on par between Steam and PSN. I am primarily a single player games kinda guy. I do not pay for PS+ and the only reason I bought the Steam Deck and am interested in the Steam machine is for single player games. Most popular multiplayer games have kernel level anti-cheat and do not work on these steam machines. If you want to play Fortnite, Roblox, CoD, BF, the steam machines are an easy skip. For single player gamers, there is no meaningful cost of ownership difference between Steam and PS5.

I'm not sure about sales - are the largest discounts still linked to PS+? If so that's what you need to factor in. On PC you got also key sites, prices there are sometimes way cheaper e.g. Rogue Trader never went below 20€ on Steam, whereas I got a key for 9€.
For the kernel anti-cheat - Linux technically supports it, it's the developers that don't want to put in the work. Still doesn't change the end result - I guess if you are a heavy MP gamer then that's an issue.

I find the Steam Deck to be the best gaming hardware probably since the DS, so having a beefier machine for TV play + streaming to Deck for playing in bed is perfect.

 

[Esppiral]

The hardware is quite anemic.

 

[Kikorin]

How it compares to base PS5? With Sony going full multiplatform, I'd could see me selling my PS5 for this and embrace the full Steam library (and game prices). I'd only regret not using the PS5 controller, but I guess it'll be compatible? Also, we need the price in €.

 

[IDKFA]

It is worse at playing games than a PS5. If it was using an Nvidia GPU, I would have made excuses for it being underpowered as DLSS4 can help a lot especially with a 200W power envelope. Unfortunately, it is a bandwidth starved anemic RDNA3 GPU. I got my PS5 for 315£ on sale last year. I am not paying more than 349£ for this.

512 GB is not enough storage for a PC. PS5 game sizes are easily 20-30% smaller than PC eg. BL3 on the Steam Deck is 83GB, while same game is around 58GB on the PS5. They could sell a storage-less or 64GB cheap ass model for 300£, I will add my own 2TB 2280 card. The decision to go with a 2240 SSD is also rather baffling as according to DF there is enough space for a 2280 SSD there. 2280 SSDs throttle less thanks to the larger surface area for heat dissipation and often come with more DRAM cache. If anybody wants to get 2 TB storage, I would recommend getting the 512 GB model and upgrading to a cheap 2280 2 TB SSD. An SD card is pretty useless for games that I want to play on the big screen, I do not put any AAA/AA game from the past 10 years on my Steam Deck's SD card. It just chokes on game start up and updates.

The RAM situation is also kind of weird. Why did they go with 16 GB system RAM and just 8 GB graphics memory? It would have been better to go with 8GB RAM and 16 GB graphics memory, especially since the system RAM (unlike the non-upgradeable graphics memory) is SODIMM and can be easily upgraded by the end user.

I hear you. I'm hoping the decision to go with 16GB RAM and 8GB VRAM is to make the device as affordable as possible.

I don't think it'll be as cheap as £349, but I'm hoping it's less than £500.