Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
There isn't an FOV slider in the console version? Because there is one in HZD for PC.
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Digital Foundry - Horizon Forbidden West PC vs PS5: Enhanced Features, Performance Tests + Image Quality Boosts!
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MisterXDTV
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You weren't here 4 years ago with the SSD SSD SSD SSD mockery?
Most people still think that PS5 focused too much on SSD...
But hey most people don't get that I/O is not just about storage
Lumpyoatmeal
Member
I’m not sure why the author of the video never pointed this out, that stuff matters.
Mithos
Member
According to Steam Survey result of Feb 2024, 0.90% of the asked/users have a 4090.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Lol pretty much.
Watching this video on my OLED right now and all this video does is show how close PS5 is to PC.
So close, that if going by these Playstation PC port comparisons, there is very little reason to go PC over console.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Fess
Member
Unfortunately I think so yeah, among enthusiasts we’re fairly common I think but among mainstream gamers we’re just an annoying tiny group of overspending lunatics.
I’ll hopefully try it out in a couple hours, downloading on both PCs, one with a 7900x+4090 and one with a 7800x3d+4080S.
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ChiefDada
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I think that was the max settings bit in the beginning of the video.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
It’s a port, not a remake. Running higher frame rates at higher resolutions and higher settings requires a lot more power.
Pop
Member
You think normies will spend $1500+ on a gpu? That's the 1%
And? Ports can look better vs original game release, depending on the hardware and effort in the porting process. Realistically, Sony isn't going to invest in making a PC port of their games look noticably better.
What seems standard are higher frame rates and minor graphical tweaks.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Hey in my defense, I almost threw up after impulse buying the card. Literally ran to Gaf like a lil bitch and made a thread about it.
I kinda consider it an investment. I bought the 3080 for 950 bucks...sold it for $500, bought 4090 for $1650 (gags) I'll probably sell it for like $11-1200....then buy the 5090 for hopefully under $2000
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
It's the exact same game. Were you somehow expecting them to remodel the characters and overhaul the entire lighting model and replace it with RTGI?
Some of you guys are just so damn insecure about your favorite toys.
Grow up.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
But at least is better and cheaper.So what is the verdict? Another safe, lazy port that barely improve a game that originally run on a fucking 2070super and laptop cpu?
GymWolf
Gold Member
Barely.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
Rip in peace PS5 magic SSD.
Direct storage putting in work.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
Yea it wasn't great even at launch so that makes sense but the 5800X 3D is gonna eat it's lunch.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I wouldn't call this a lazy port. It's a competent port that offers little over the original but runs well and has nice QOL features like ultrawide, frame generation, and DLSS.So what is the verdict? Another safe, lazy port that barely improve a game that originally run on a fucking 2070super and laptop cpu?
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
It was fine but maybe for a year or two.
And I went in hard.
I got x570 + 3700x both at release.... and man what a pain it was. I had to replace the motherboard because it was faulty, then I had to flash it without a cpu with quick flash.
Then the pc was booting for 40+ seconds while my 2500k was doing 11 seconds.. and after new firmware every month for over a year, it got to acceptable state. csm disabled and all. normal modern boot.
not to mention amd chipset famous usb problems...
It grew to be a very stable platform. I don't have any problems but it was a failed purchase at best.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Just saying what I see.
This video does show how close PS5 is to PC.
Or do you rather want to compare HFW to Dragon's Dogma 2, which had PC as lead-platform?
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
But it didn't stop there. You're trying to use this as a justification to diminish PC. "Hur hur hur, you don't need a PC," completely omitting the fact that you can run DLSS at 1800p Performance Mode and get better image Quality than on PS5, something that probably requires an RTX 2060.
What has this got to do with anything? This a port of a PS5 game. For it to look different, they'd have to completely revamp several things which wouldn't make sense. It doesn't make PC any less good because of this. You'd know this, but you're more interested in platform warring than a genuine discussion. Does little Timmy feel better knowing PC doesn't make his purchase worthless? Does he need his pacifier?
It is a competent port that is good on PS5 and PC. PC is worth it if you didn't play the game on PS5. You could have left it at that but nope, had to war.
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Killjoy-NL
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From a console-gamer's perspective, that's true.
DF compares PS5 to PC in this video, so don't complain when someone points out that both are close enough to make a valid statement that PC might not be worth the investment for minimal visual differences.
You can come up with the technical aspects of it, but from just looking at it on my tv, the differences are minimal to the eye.
The average consumer probably doesn't even notice any differences straight away.
It's to point out that what you're saying is irrelevant, as PS5 is more than capable to compete with games that did have PC as lead-platform.
If people don't like this discussion, then ask DF to not make a direct comparison between PS5 and PC.
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GymWolf
Gold Member
I know people chose to play on pc for a multitude of reasons, but i play on pc to play MUCH BETTER than console, so a port like this is utterly useless to me.
I guess it's a good port for people without a ps5.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
No, that's moronic because no one is going to invest in a PC build just to play one game. Furthermore, PCs can range from cheap to very expensive. Does this game being similar on both platforms somehow invalidate all the games that aren't similar? What about Cyberpunk with path tracing. Did it stop working on PC following the release of this game?
Again, stupid argument. What investment? Is this the only game out there?
I don't mind the discussion but this isn't what it is. This isn't you simply pointing out that this game isn't much better on PC, this is you trying to bring down the entire platform because a single game that is a PS5 port doesn't look leaps and bounds better on PC.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Cyberpunk lacks the polish a game like HFW has.
As do most PC exclusive games, or those with PC as lead-platform.
This is exactly what diminishing returns is all about.
When a high-end graphics card is more expensive than a console, it most definitely is an investment.
And who is acting insecure now? All I said was that based on this comparison, PC isn't worth the investment for the minimal visual upgrade. I was expecting much more since PC gamers always brag about how they will wait for the PC port, which is always supposedly vastly superior.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
And Horizon lacks a halfway decent lighting model. Besides that's not even the point, the point is that supposedly, Horizon looking similar on PC makes the whole platform worthless. Clearly, Cyberpunk cancels that out because it looks much better on PC. What about Alan Wake 2? People were pissing and moaning here because of the awful image quality on consoles. Skull & Bones runs at an internal resolution of 720p on consoles and the image quality is a mess. Baldur's Gate 3 tanks to 20fps on consoles with shitty 4x AF and so on. I could go on but you get it.
You don't need an high-end graphics card to play this game? Alex just ran it on a 2070S+3600. On what part of the globe is this a high-end rig?
You literally made that shit up and thank you for admitting you weren't actually interested in discussing the game but merely wanted your gotcha moment. HFW looks similar on PC, everyone! Throw away your rigs. You don't need them anymore.
Your argument makes no fucking sense. I already have a high-end rig but not a PS5. Would it make more sense for me to get this on PC or go buy a PS5 to play it? Clearly, for someone owning a PC, this is a worthwhile investment since they need something like an RTX 2060S+Ryzen 5 3600 to play at quality levels similar to PS5. Again, this is something you should know but you didn't think this through. You were too busy salivating at putting back PCMR in their place because your precious console is comparable. Wow!
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daninthemix
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The PC version has unlimited resolution and framerate. Unlimited. If you don't understand why that's a big deal - being that you are most probably a warring console peasant who will lord it over Xbox fans when your version of the game has a mere 5% performance advantage - I have nothing more to say.
It will already obliterate what a PS5 Pro could do with this game on a 4090. And guess what? Nvidia's next gen is right around the corner...
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I hear you but we got a decent port. We really aren't entitled to more. It's awesome when they add new stuff like RT but if not, no big deal.
Which is what is most important. It's not a disaster like TLOU. It scales well enough above PS5 in terms of IQ and frame rates and is stable. All I ask is a game that runs well and looks at least as good as its console counterpart with unlocked frame rates, upscaling options, ultrawide, and frame generation. Anything more is an awesome bonus.
MisterXDTV
Member
Unlimited Resolution*
*RTX 4090 not included with the game, costs $2000. RTX 5090 coming soon for $2500 **
**GPU doesn't turn on by itself, requires other PC components
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Killjoy-NL
Member
People on Gaf are bitching and moaning all the time, when in reality games like Cyberpunk and AW2 have minimal visual differences with consoles when just playing the game or seeing the comparions, unless you go zoom in and get into technicalities.
No shit. But the most notable difference would be between consoles and high-end PCs.
Who was insecure again?
Next time I'll add "to me" when I'm saying it's not worth the investment.
Then you don't have to feel attacked.
Very cool, but on my tv the differences are negligible.
And I never cheered about 5% performance advantage of PS5 over Series.
I've always said performance would be similar between PS5 and Series, with each platform having it's own pros and cons, during the time when Gaf was still all about the tflops pre-release.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Ah yes, minimal differences between 874p upscaled to 1440p and 4K with path tracing. In that case, there must be no difference to you between a PS5 and a PC from the year 2016. If we're going to be dishonest, why stop there?
Then clearly, PC is a worthwhile investment because having a high-powered $3000 rig isn't needed to play games.
The manchild who was mad at PC gamers saying they always got the best version and felt the need to come to this thread just to appease his insecurities.
Next time, don't say something false and nonsensical.
Imtjnotu
Member
Looks like the ps5 versionGame looks really great and runs really good, everything maxed out in 4K Ultrawide with DLSS Quality on a RTX 4080:
Zathalus
Member
A 4060 is $299 and offers better image quality as well. You can build a 4060 PC for around $650 if that strapped for cash.
Unlimited Resolution*
*RTX 4090 not included with the game, costs $2000. RTX 5090 coming soon for $2500 **
**GPU doesn't turn on by itself, requires other PC components
4090 is only needed for native 4k/120 which is 4x the FPS of the PS5.
daninthemix
Member
The PS5 version looks like the PS4 version.
Either both statements are true, or neither are.
SolidQ
Gold Member
Killjoy-NL
Member
Cool story.
Know what the average person's reaction to these comparisons is?
Because the differences are negligible in practice, unless you resort to comparisons like this one from DF.
But I'll leave it at that. Like I said, next time I'll add "to me", so you don't have to get so touchy.
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MisterXDTV
Member
You should have actually read my post...
The poster was bragging about UNLIMITED RESOLUTION for the PC version
That's a lie. To push the game to the highest possible resolution/performance you need top of the line hardware...
Try that with a $650 PC and tell me how that goes....
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
PC is worth the investment just for mouse+kb non handicapped gameplays with minimal input lag, plus ultrawide, mods, near perfect IQ, more than 60fps, forever forward compatibility, etc, etc...
MisterXDTV
Member
And by the way this $650 PC thing is getting on my nerves....
It's just theoretical talk to dump on consoles by the Master Race cult....
Too bad the PCMR builds $3000 PC to feel good about themselves...
It's just theoretical talk to dump on consoles by the Master Race cult....
Too bad the PCMR builds $3000 PC to feel good about themselves...
Killjoy-NL
Member
All preferences.
Meanwhile, I don't see any noteworthy differences in this comparison, hence my comments.
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