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Digital Foundry - Horizon Forbidden West PC vs PS5: Enhanced Features, Performance Tests + Image Quality Boosts!

Zathalus

Member
Does my post highlighting Alex’s terrible reporting upset you?
It did nothing of the sort. You are getting so triggered by what Alex has said that you are completely missing the context of why he said it. Much superior in the context of DLSS/DLAA vs the PS5 checkerboard implementation. This is not really up for debate, in every metric DLSS is just the better AA and upscaling method. Just like PSSR would be over checkerboard rendering.
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
It did nothing of the sort. You are getting so triggered by what Alex has said that you are completely missing the context of why he said it. Much superior in the context of DLSS/DLAA vs the PS5 checkerboard implementation. This is not really up for debate, in every metric DLSS is just the better AA and upscaling method. Just like PSSR would be over checkerboard rendering.
But but 1800p checkboard is sharp...
 

clintar

Member
Huh? PS5 is doing checkerboard upscaling?

Anyway, seems a lot of places PC has lower texture resolution or something. Check face and scarf at 9:05 and tell me why that looks so blurry in PC? I can't upload images for some reason.
 

BennyBlanco

aka IMurRIVAL69
It did nothing of the sort. You are getting so triggered by what Alex has said that you are completely missing the context of why he said it. Much superior in the context of DLSS/DLAA vs the PS5 checkerboard implementation. This is not really up for debate, in every metric DLSS is just the better AA and upscaling method. Just like PSSR would be over checkerboard rendering.

Don’t worry dude. The NeoGAF avengers of autism will completely change their tune about AI upscaling when Sony does it. Even when it turns out to be way behind Nvidia tech.
 
It did nothing of the sort. You are getting so triggered by what Alex has said that you are completely missing the context of why he said it. Much superior in the context of DLSS/DLAA vs the PS5 checkerboard implementation. This is not really up for debate, in every metric DLSS is just the better AA and upscaling method. Just like PSSR would be over checkerboard rendering.

His comments weren’t just about the up scaling, you seem to be triggered by a journalist being called out on comments that are (imo) hyperbolic.

Feel free to disagree
 
Don’t worry dude. The NeoGAF avengers of autism will completely change their tune about AI upscaling when Sony does it. Even when it turns out to be way behind Nvidia tech.
This is exactly it. When Sony has something comparable... it will be FAR SUPERIOR to the shitty upscaling quality type stuff that came before...


But somehow DLSS isn't at the moment.... :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Just push the couch/tv back a few feet. Problem solved! LOL
 
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yamaci17

Member
Huh? PS5 is doing checkerboard upscaling?

Anyway, seems a lot of places PC has lower texture resolution or something. Check face and scarf at 9:05 and tell me why that looks so blurry in PC? I can't upload images for some reason.
because this game uses heavy sharpening on PS5. they probably didn't port sharpening pass to the PC version
 

Puscifer

Member
"1800p with DLSS Performance (900p internal) looks better than PS5's Performance Mode"

Lol God damn, not even quality.
 

Bojji

Member
How many times did Alex say FAR SUPERIOR…and yet?

GIF by Tokkingheads

Looks FAR SUPERIOR to me here (watch in 4K)



Don't worry, PS5 Pro will get image quality update in this game.
 

yamaci17

Member
This is exactly it. When Sony has something comparable... it will be FAR SUPERIOR to the shitty upscaling quality type stuff that came before...


But somehow DLSS isn't at the moment.... :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Just push the couch/tv back a few feet. Problem solved! LOL
this time it will create a gap between base and pro users :) you will have pro users trying to defend their purchase by saying "yes, you get 1440p 30 FPS, I get 4K PSSR Quality 60 fps but I get much better image quality then you!" They will then understand how DLSS folk felt for years trying to explain that 900-1080p with DLSS upscaled to 4K looking better than regular upscalers rendering at 1080p-1440p
 

Skifi28

Member
Nice to know the port is ok and not a disaster.
copy pasta the ps5 pixel for pixel
2024 PC playing a game a console from 2013 could also play
Good job.
Yes, it's good that more people have access to good games regardless of what platforms they were available on before.
 
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yamaci17

Member
"1800p with DLSS Performance (900p internal) looks better than PS5's Performance Mode"

Lol God damn, not even quality.
extremely horrible oversharpening does not really help the horizon forbidden west. as a baseline, most people got used to it, but with sharpening out of the way, the game finally looks like how it is supposed to look like

I've spoken about this a lot of times, even 1440p dlss performance (720p internal) looks better than most consoles games running around 1080p-1200p that upscales to the same 1440p output resolution

1800p dlss performance will look better than most games that runs around at 1440p on console, it is not even an outlier
 

RagnarokIV

Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/

Mate, I quit GAF. Logged out, cleared cache and deleted my password so I’ll only ever lurk.

Then this shit made me reset my password and login just to say WTF did I just see?!

Too much internet for this lifetime. Goodbye world.
 
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I can’t stand Alex Bugaga. I always avoid watching videos he’s featured in.
No one cares. Why are you even posting here then?

Mate, I quit GAF. Logged out, cleared cache and deleted my password so I’ll only ever lurk.

Then this shit made me reset my password and login just to say WTF did I just see?!

Too much internet for this lifetime. Goodbye world.
It's from a photo shoot for some Fashion/Art magazine he was hired as a model for. GAF (and certain members who seem to get a hardon anytime he's mentioned) love to bring it up for some reason as some sort of "gotcha" moment when all it does is make them look dumb.





Looks like another good port from Nixxes.
 
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Mortisfacio

Member
DF makes these videos just to say "Hey look, this PS5 game that's a couple of years old looks better on a present day PC that costs 3 times as much". What would we do without them? :pie_eyeroll:

To be fair, had it released day 1 on PC, it'd still look far superior. Considering the rough equiv GPU on this performance wise to PS5 is a 2018 GPU.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
DF makes these videos just to say "Hey look, this PS5 game that's a couple of years old looks better on a present day PC that costs 3 times as much". What would we do without them? :pie_eyeroll:
correction - gpu alone is 3x as much lol.
And wow! it loads 3 seconds faster which is considered a success since pc ports usually load as fast or slower than sp5
 
Boring but solid port, miss ports like the Returnal's one which looked a generation ahead of PS5's one, but it's undestandable since Nixxes is rushing ports right now at full speed, now they got a couple months until their next release (Ghost of Tsushima)

Maybe once they are done porting the biggest franchises they can put more work and time on each port.
 
Boring but solid port, miss ports like the Returnal's one which looked a generation ahead of PS5's one, but it's undestandable since Nixxes is rushing ports right now at full speed, now they got a couple months until their next release (Ghost of Tsushima)

Maybe once they are done porting the biggest franchises they can put more work and time on each port.

Wait what?

Returnal was the good port and this isn’t?
 

Zathalus

Member
His comments weren’t just about the up scaling, you seem to be triggered by a journalist being called out on comments that are (imo) hyperbolic.

Feel free to disagree
In the section he talks about superior image quality it is all about DLAA/DLSS. In the previous section about DOF he clearly says you won't be able to tell a difference or how the LOD upgrades are 'minor'.

Which 2018 gpu?
The 2080.
 

Fess

Member
DF makes these videos just to say "Hey look, this PS5 game that's a couple of years old looks better on a present day PC that costs 3 times as much". What would we do without them? :pie_eyeroll:
The port could’ve been shit. DF is there to tell us if it’s a great port so we can buy the game without worries, and they’re doing a good job. If you rather buy the games and find out yourself if you wasted your money then just don’t look at their content.
 

SHA

Member
Pretty much

Guy is a clown

In the same breath he’ll say the ps5 pro isn’t worth it but sperg out on some small insignificant setting on a pc port

Hate this guy
It's the same when someone spend on an expensive GTR and complain about mustang, dodge charger, doesn't mean it's bad, it's his wallet that made him behave like that, like indirectly reacting to how expensive is his rig that he paid for but won't admit it.
 

T4keD0wN

Member
PC gamers don’t like to admit that graphics aren’t much different to consoles, hence why they always focus on frame rate.
Well duh, its the same game so the only things that will differ is frame rate and resolution. Maybe there will be some extra settings here and there, but those rarely make a difference.

But usually you can disable chromatic aberration, depth of field, motion blur, vignette or whatever vomit filter you want so the same games will look better even on otherwise the same graphical settings.
 
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yamaci17

Member
People claiming at PS5 launch, can't reach RTX 2060, then 2070.
And now i'm very sure my 5800X / RTX 2060S can't reach PS5 settings in many ways.
you get better quality per pixel due to DLSS. you can, if you want to, effectively get equivalent or better image quality at much lower internal resolutions while also maintaining similar or maybe potentially better performance. even in the video, 1440p dlss performance is competitive with PS5's performance mode in terms of image quality despite ps5's performance mode rendering more pixels. and chances are, you would get very good framerates at 1440p dlss performance with a 2060 super.

this will change with ps5 pro though, as PSSR is shaping up to be a proper competition for DLSS

regardless, PS5 always had rasterization performance around 2070super. 2060-2070 thing was mostly had to do with ray tracing

you have a techonology in your hand that gets you better quality per pixel rendered, and since 2019. a techonology tha Sony will paywall behind a Pro upgrade.
 
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Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
People claiming at PS5 launch, can't reach RTX 2060, then 2070.
And now i'm very sure my 5800X / RTX 2060S can't reach PS5 settings in many ways.
PS5 was pegged as being 2070S/2080 in rasterization and 2060S with heavy use of RT.

With your setup, I don't think you can quite match the PS5's settings but may get reasonably close even with a lower internal resolution since DLSS is better than checkerboard rendering.
 
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Yeah, usually SSD speed differences didn't show up that much in PC games before this

You also have to hand it to the PS5 architects for seeing where this was going and getting hardware decompression in there when they were designing it probably more like a decade ago now, and launching 4 years ago

I remember when Cerny was mocked for the "useless faster SSD" after the Road to PS5 video...

I guess he's laughing now....
 

King Dazzar

Member
Looks FAR SUPERIOR to me here (watch in 4K)



Don't worry, PS5 Pro will get image quality update in this game.

It genuinely doesn't to me and I've just watched it on an 85" panel. I expected a bigger leap tbh. However, if you have a top tier GPU and can run it natively at 4k with high frame rates, that would be great.
 
Wait what?

Returnal was the good port and this isn’t?
This is a good port, solid, but it runs well even in the series 2000 graphic cards from NVIDIA.

Returnal's max graphics on PC scaled much more compared to the PS5's version.

But as i said, understandable when you realize Nixxes got 2 months to release their next port, and Returnal was done by a different studio AFAIK with more time to work on it 100% sure
 

Fess

Member
But usually you can disable chromatic aberration, depth of field, motion blur, vignette or whatever vomit filter you want so the same games will look better even on otherwise the same graphical settings.
Plus mods. And I bet this game will have some sweet sweet mods! Been looking forward to this for awhile now, looked great on PS5 and looks even better now. Can’t wait to jump in again!

Next up is Ghost of Tsushima, one of my final double dips, after that I only have GT7 left from my old PS5 library to move over to PC.
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
correction - gpu alone is 3x as much lol.
And wow! it loads 3 seconds faster which is considered a success since pc ports usually load as fast or slower than sp5
What GPU in that video is 3x the price of the PS5?
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
PC gamers don’t like to admit that graphics aren’t much different to consoles, hence why they always focus on frame rate.
Alex states in the video and I state in the OP that the graphics on PC aren’t much better. Yet you have the usual trolls shitting up the thread.
 
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