A Serious Man
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And thus began the great Nintendo/Leapfrog war.
Digital Foundry: Nintendo Switch CPU and GPU clock speeds revealed
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MDSLKTR
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You'd love that wouldn't you lol
Wow, I don't think I've agreed with you so much on a post before.
But yeah, I definitely think Nintendo being able to go 'all-in' on one platform is going to be the strength and deciding factor here.I suppose that it really depends on who you ask. As it will most certainly be a console for me. I plan to leave it docked at my TV and will play with that nifty looking new pro controller.
In terms of power, it should offer enough of a bump above the Wii U to make me happy, as I already own an Xbox One and a PS4 for all of the other stuff. And will then be getting a Scorpio sometime in 2018 for the power jump.
In other words, with the combined handheld and console libraries, I think it will definitely have it's place and I am kind of glad it is not trying to clone what I already have and/or plan to buy in the future. It will be a Nintendo system with a bigger library of Nintendo games that are no longer separated.
LordRaptor
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It's a portable more than a "handheld".
Its a bit big to be called "Handheld".
I also credit the general population with having the intelligence to understand the concept of a dockable portable - like the laptops they've been using for years - as not being a thing that only fits into one specific category.
Even if seemingly a large number of people on GAF (intentionally?) choose not to.
PS2 also had the aura of being a DVD player and game system in one...
Which is out the question with the Switch.
And I dont think thats been talked about too much. With the XBO getting praise for adding UHD blu ray drive, and Sony getting flack for not adding one...Nintendo went full on N64 era and didnt include a disc drive at all.
Loading times will be great tho.
So this means ever since they finally went to using a disc drive starting with the Gamecube they have.....never....had cd/dvd playback.
And the streak seems likely to continue. Gotta give it to Nintendo for sticking to their guns. Meanwhile at some stores there were XBO S deals that included a UHD movie. Hopefully UHD upsell at those stores with future XBO S owners. Maybe even grab a couple more movies while at the store.
Its not causing the XBO S to fly off the shelves but still its a bullet point.
But the Switch is to be seen as a home console...that went back to using cartridges. Does Nintendo plan on marketing loading times....shelf space...
This thing screamed handheld from the day it was revealed.
mario_O
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I don't think that's true. It's 176 vs 150 (switch).
Colonel Mustard
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You mean the trailer that showed the Switch being played portably for 90% of it?
A slightly underpowered console. Something like 2/3 of an Xbone docked would have been awesome. Weaker than Wii U in portable mode is a disaster.
Wii U cannot run Mario Kart in 60FPS for 4 players and it's way less detailed. It's choking on Zelda BotW (current state). If the switch really is 75% of a Wii U in portable mode, we can say goodbye to open world games and even Nintendo's own games will be seriously hindered by the performance bottleneck.
ArchedThunder
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The majority of the reveal was people playing it on the go. Nintendo may call it a home console, but they are already marketing it as a handheld.
People expecting PS4 specs in a handheld are crazy.
I would suggest you to visit the official site of nintendo, even there they call it home console.
They don't want to do that because then they can't sell it at home console like prices. I'm only in at launch at 200 or lower. If its higher and at these specs I'm sitting on the sidelines until I grab it in a sale or some other technology comes along to entice those dollars away.
Wishmaster92
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It just hit me how awesome it would be if Zelda botw had proper GI like quantum break even if at 720p, or lighting like horizon zero dawn, it's not like Nintendo cares about realistic motion capture animations which would free up more resources. It would've looked absolutely amazing. Oh well, they can only squeeze so much juice. I just wished it was on par with Xbox one when docked, at the very least. I guess it was too much to ask
Everyone so dissapointed but what were you expecting anyways?? This is Nintendo. A company who released a console with pretty much the same specs of the Gamecube as it's successor and managed to sell gangbusters thanks to it's waggle waggle gimmick. Here with the Nintendo Switch it seems it's going to be pretty much the same situation. A new console wich is just a bit slightly powerful than it's predecessor that will be carried on with the main gimmick it offers in this case the portability and the detachable controllers. Now just hoping it manages to sell like the Wii did wich... I'm optimistic despite of this new info and I think NS will do great in sells. The system itself looks sleek and sexy af, it will have top notch console Nintendo games that you can play anywhere and the ability to instantly have a gaming set on the go with two controllers available for local multiplayer is just a great selling point.
Wat?? Well then, the dream of seeing FFXV on Switch is not dead yet!
the last i hear is that ffxv runs better on x1
Wat?? Well then, the dream of seeing FFXV on Switch is not dead yet!
Still makes it an absolute beast of a handheld and when docked it's more powerful than the Wii U. I'm happy but I'm not a spec geek.
GhostTrick
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Then again, it's Nintendo themselves. As I said, I consider it as a handheld. But Nintendo wants to market it as a home console you can take anywhere. Which is their big mistake IMO.
You can see the reception on gaf itself. If you told people "Next Nintendo's handheld is 6 to 8 times faster than PSVita", people would be all over the place. Instead we're getting "Next Nintendo's home console is 2 to 3 times slower than Xbox One".
AtomicShroom
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It's nice for Nintendo to want things. Nintendo also originally wanted the press to refer to the GameCube as the "NINTENDO GAMECUBE" in all caps, even going as far as sending notes to press outlets to write it as such. It's only when they all collectively told Nintendo to fuck off that they conceded that "GameCube" was also acceptable.
Let's call this what it is, shall we? It's a portable that can be docked to a TV. At the very best, it's a hybrid. This is not exclusively a home console if you can play it 100% on the go in a portable manner with no need for external display/power.
Papacheeks
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Well then them saying it's a new console in emails, and marketing.
Also showing it as a console with it being docked in the beginning, middle, and end showing it as almost a portable console with the dual joycon controllers.
PdotMichael
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Nintendo needs an economic stable platform to replace the WiiU disaster and the shrinking 3DS market first.
What happens post-Switch or even alongside is a different topic. And it's already pretty safe to assume that Nintendo will change quite a lot in the next decade.
i'm confused as to why they need a fan at all given those specs? If the thing is down clocked that much, I'd expect it to run fine using passive cooling like the Pixel C, which is clocked much higher (1.9 GHz CPU and 850 MHz GPU) and doesn't use a fan.
This thing should be producing much less heat than previous X1 implementations.
This thing should be producing much less heat than previous X1 implementations.
LordRaptor
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Let's not kid ourselves; if that had been how it was unveiled, discussion would be "LOL good luck with that Nintendo, nobody buys handhelds anymore, my iPad is way more powerful than that"
Yep. If it's their console line (by their own admission), then it's potentially a step backwards in terms of power if they need to support the handheld mode.
I could've sworn, however, that the Eurogamer article says it's still more powerful than a Wii U, even in handheld mode though.
GhostTrick
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http://www.nintendo.com/switch/
Maybe, but that'd be console war territory. On a more grounded conversation, Nintendo markets it as a home console. And as a home console; Switch is slow. As a handheld, it's the opposite. It's actually amazing that on portable mode, it's at the very least faster than Wii U. On a spec note though, these clockspeeds are either disappointing or not painting the full picture.
Depending on the memory configuration, those 150Gflops could still be more powerfull than the Wii U.
Papacheeks
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Yup, my point exactly. Thanks Ghost.
Yeah Skyrim isn't super demanding and I don't think DS3 is either. But I think as long as the switch sells decently that 3rd party will put the extra effort into porting.
I remember there being a quote from someone about the switch being easy to port to. Maybe that still holds true. I'm hoping for the Switch to get as many 3rd party AAA titles as possible over it's lifetime.
With developers already making games for PS4pro/Scorpio and working to get them on PS4/XBone it wouldn't be a huge deal to get them on Switch too
Honestly I think people were being a bit unrealistic with their expectations since this is obviously a handheld first and foremost despite NoA's PR nonsense. I expected a slightly more powerful than Wii U handheld and it seems that's what I'm getting, so I'm pleased.
The only thing that worries me is that I still expected some current gen ports like the rumored Dark Souls trilogy one, but we'll see. As far as I'm concerned this is Nintendo's Vita 2 with built in PSTV functionality and that alone is fantastic, I just want Nintendo's next handheld after all.
The only thing that worries me is that I still expected some current gen ports like the rumored Dark Souls trilogy one, but we'll see. As far as I'm concerned this is Nintendo's Vita 2 with built in PSTV functionality and that alone is fantastic, I just want Nintendo's next handheld after all.
Kssio_Aug
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I do agree it is also a handheld. It's a hybrid, and it's a very good one concept wise. I will be playing it more undocked than docked probably, so I am not disagreeing with you on that.
And maybe you're right. And also, maybe they plan to make people look at it as the cheaper home console that also can be played on the go.
I really hope they price it along $199, I'll be aboard.
ArchedThunder
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And yet the majority of the reveal was it being played on the go.
Nintendo is already clearly marketing it as a handheld.
Anyone expecting ps4 specs in an affordable battery powered handheld device is a crazy person.
Dreams-Visions
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Well...because many of us don't give a single fuck about mobile gaming. The real question is why do so many seem to believe they can deflect console expectations, criticisms and disappointments with mobile stats, as if mobile and consoles are the same thing, bought by the same audiences for the same purpose.
I'm sure this won't surprise you, but many of us are grown ass adults that drive to work and don't have enough interest (or opportunity) to game while mobile anymore. We work at work and game at home where we have full access to a TV/monitor which can give us a superior experience to the often hand-cramping, poor resolution experience that typifies mobile gaming (at least on Nintendo and Sony handhelds). Mobile was good shit K-12 and through part of college, but that was the end of that for me. Maybe if I lived in a subway city, I'd still have use for mobile gaming, but I don't.
So yea, for those of us who only play at home on a proper console, Nintendo hasn't offered a platform with good 3rd party support since the SNES. It is what it is. No need to attempt to spin that reality; I've been playing on Nintendo platforms longer than half this forum has been alive. I know what time it is.
Xdrive05
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That's apples to oranges though. If Wii-U was the same Tegra chip then it would be fair. Even 150gf in a modern GPU architecture should trounce Wii-U easily. Not to mention the CPU and RAM being light years beyond the Wii-U...
Mikey Jr.
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Kinda crazy that Nintendo is going from 2 gaming devices to essentially just one.
Atleast with the wiiu failing, Nintendo could fall back on the 3ds. Now? Seems like a lot is riding on the switch.
Like, let's say the switch fails commercially. Feels like Nintendo will be up shit creek without a paddle.
Though I suppose 3ds sales and mobile could keep them above water.
Atleast with the wiiu failing, Nintendo could fall back on the 3ds. Now? Seems like a lot is riding on the switch.
Like, let's say the switch fails commercially. Feels like Nintendo will be up shit creek without a paddle.
Though I suppose 3ds sales and mobile could keep them above water.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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7DollarHagane
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Not even. The pixel c is a $700 device, and even that is just breaking the ps4/xb1 performance level.
Serious question, what happened to their inital NX (X-plattform)plan?
They should have started with a WiiU Pro without Tablet 149$ in 2014/2015 and fully BC to WiiU then release Switch with or without dock fully compatible to WiiU2. Now they are fully banking on a huge market for handhelds. If this assessment is proven to be wrong, then they're fucked.
Many things happened since 2011...
So this will have zero support from third parties after a while. Really disappointed in the spec, even if the price matches it.
I think I will still get one for my son eventually, but my own interest just plummeted after reading the article (assuming its true)
Bring on Scorpio!
I think I will still get one for my son eventually, but my own interest just plummeted after reading the article (assuming its true)
Bring on Scorpio!
Spieler Eins
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Please have popcorn ready at all times for these upcoming events: Skyrim being a PS360 port instead of a remaster. Dragon Quest XI being an HD port of the 3DS version.
DragonSworne
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Yep, I'll believe when I see it.
Slight concerns aside, some of y'all need to calm the fuck down.
It's mostly a portable system masquerading as a home one so Nintendo can say they're not dropping out of the home console race. Don't give me that "but NOA says..." shit, the reveal trailer mostly had the actors playing the Switch away from home. Actions speak louder than words.
Nintendo is never releasing a traditional home console ever again. They are never competing with hardware specs ever again. Get this through your head.
It's mostly a portable system masquerading as a home one so Nintendo can say they're not dropping out of the home console race. Don't give me that "but NOA says..." shit, the reveal trailer mostly had the actors playing the Switch away from home. Actions speak louder than words.
Nintendo is never releasing a traditional home console ever again. They are never competing with hardware specs ever again. Get this through your head.
LordRaptor
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Its hard to analyse what they are marketing it as, when there was literally no descriptive terms used (or speech at all) in the 3 minute teaser that comprises their entire marketing effort to this point.
PR from NOA, is exactly that - PR from NOA, and it was always unlikely that they were ever going to say "Hey, that one viable hardware we're currently selling in the lead up to the biggest sales period of the year? You might as well not buy one, because we have a successor coming in 3 months that is waaaaaaaaaaaay better".
it looks worse, but it runs better 8)
It's kind of interesting, that Digital Foundry in there YouTube Video explained, why most Pads can go away with better specs. Those devises are not designed to be push to those high states for more than maybe one hour. Anything beyond that point, heats up the machine and drags down framerate hard. Nintendo needs the Switch be constant for up to four hours or even more. So the X1 needs to stay cool for longer time and therefore don't reach its full-potential.
You know, I don't think the PS4 comes with it's own screen or speakers. You know, you do have to pay a premium to get a portable console, right?
How much do you think a portable PS4 slim would cost?
Beerman462
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CPU 1.9GHz
GPU 850MHz
So still higher clocks than Switch docked mode.
Nintendo shooting for 540p while mobile?
azertydu91
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That quote was from an Nvidia rep so I wouldn't give it much credit (it can be port from an architecture to another).
But anyway there will still be problems porting games and even more so demanding games and that will always limit 3rd party games on the Switch.
Proelite
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2015 2016 Nvidia flop vs 2008 AMD flop.
I expect the Nvidia flop to be 50% better in real world perf.
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