Shin-Ra
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Shadows still look pretty ropey to me, and this is in an enclosed zone with shorter draw distances.
Digital Foundry: Performance Analysis: Destiny on Xbox One
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Windom Earle
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edit: nvm, screenshot posted enough
Shadows still look pretty ropey to me, and this is in an enclosed zone with shorter draw distances.
Yup, I have noticed no such improvement in shadow quality on the PS4 version. That's actually another area that could have been quite a bit better.
Shadows still look pretty ropey to me, and this is in an enclosed zone with shorter draw distances.
Not sure if that shad in particular is dynamic though.
I notice it on moving objecst more.
Or if you run around a corner you can see the shadows get sharper if they are on screen for more than a sec.
BibiMaghoo
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I say this as someone who owns a PS4 and not an Xbone.
Not every game needs to use a systems full power, nor does it need to reach top end visual qualities. The suggestion that it does, is ridiculous at best, completely laughable at worst.
I would wager that on every console ever made, there are more games that do not use a systems full capabilities, than there are games that do. Thousands of them. This is console warrior nonsense.
I'm not sure if you understand what a hypocrite is.
Thank you for giving me a headache...
Pathfinder
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How does that work?
Sho_Nuff82
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That's...not what that word means.
CassidyIzABeast
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give this man a tag
Same thing is always said of Diablo 3.
There is a lot going on in both games.
If Bungie could push higher frame rates they would.
InfYn
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eddfromtheriver
Banned
Well they got complacent with the PS4 version and decided to get the XBO version up to snuff instead, not surprising. They could've made the PS4 version better, they just chose not to...
ShadowSoldier89
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as primarily a PC gamer i would very much prefer they did. On PC I at least get all the sliders I want to play with, and if those arent enough I get to use GPU tools or mods to enhance it further. On my consoles I dont get those options, so its up to the devs to give me the greatest possible, so if they fail to do that it is quite disappointing.
Of course I dont expect indie developers to do it, but AAA development can.
Can you support a developer that did a fantastic job of it on PS3 though?
The filtering that Destiny uses on shadows for interior area lights is pretty cool, "correctly" adjusting softness by distance to light, although:Shadows still look pretty ropey to me, and this is in an enclosed zone with shorter draw distances.
1-it has quite a bit of visible dithering, and
2-the shadows that use it are super low-res even on eighth-gen platforms.
I'm not familiar with the demands of the technique, and I've wondered if the low resolution and the filtering are closely related. I haven't seen the release PS3 version, but it would be interesting to know if it still lacks this shadow filtering like it did in the beta; interior area light shadows looked really silly on PS3 because they were low-res like the other versions but without any of the benefits of the filtering.
The exterior hard shadows in Destiny look much cleaner.
Flintty
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I wanted to say something like this but you worded it far better than I can be bothered to at this moment int time. A* post.
Bungie (with help from MS) did an awesome job of optimizing Destiny on X1. Well done indeed.
Destiny is also a PS360 game, right?
Wait a second...what?
BibiMaghoo
Member
Answer me this.
What is the difference between artist A and artist B's vision.
Artist A has a $200,000.
Artist B has a $2000.
Can you guess what the answer is?
ethomaz
Banned
Well.
R7 265 is a Pitcairn card... PS4's GPU is a Bonaire with 8 ACEs... PS4's GPU have 1152 SPs and not 1024....
R7 260X is a Bonaire card... Xbone's GPU is a Pitcairn with 2 ACEs... Xbone's GPU have 768SPs and not 896...
You are using a weaker GPU in PS4 side and a strong GPU in Xbone side... even so the difference in framerate is over 30%.
Are you criticizing criticizers of critics?
ShadowSoldier89
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IQ and vision are not comparable
Hockeymac18
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Stop with this real-world performance logical nonsense...all we want to discuss are on-paper specs, damnit!
You should honestly put this in the op of every XB1/Ps4 thread to get the parity comments out of the way
Goodness this amazing.
Holographix
Banned
Well.
R7 265 is a Pitcairn card... PS4's GPU is a Bonaire with 8 ACEs... PS4's GPU have 1152 SPs and not 1024....
R7 260X is a Bonaire card... Xbone's GPU is a Pitcairn with 2 ACEs... Xbone's GPU have 768SPs and not 896...
You are using a weaker GPU in PS4 side and a strong GPU in Xbone side... even so the difference in framerate is over 30%.
Performance difference on consoles would be much more pronounced since it's single-spec engineering/programming.
Air Zombie Meat
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Surely not, that would be hypocritical. Anyone who's hypocritical of hypocrites is a critic of critics. I think.
pixellated_man
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Exactly. That is something that should be obvious to people after the news that Microsoft sent out their engineers to help out with optimizing the Xbox One version. It's not that one version was 'gimped', it's more like the weaker hardware got extra attention thanks to Microsoft going the extra mile to help out with the development. If Sony had done the same then probably things would have worked out different. Like you say, pc gamers are used to this sort of thing and Ps4 owners should be prepared to do the same as I'm sure we will be seeing many more cases like this.
QuantumZebra
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Why not address the reality of it? People are upset because Destiny could run better/look better on PS4, and was held back due to X1.
Anyone who criticizes critics of parity criticism BUT DOES NO criticize parity is a hypocrite.
Eddie Griffin
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343, the better devs, gave them some Halo 5 code to work with. /s
Shmuely Bully
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If by amazing you mean silly, sure. Given the notable performance differences on the hardware you'd expect to see some differences on the software side unless you're hitting a common bottleneck.
That isn't something you'd expect to be the case unless there is a very fundamental limitation on CPU performance that can't be gotten around by offloading stuff to the GPU.
Get with the times, mang! LibreOffice is the new thing these days.
Pathfinder
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Isn't the use of "M$" frowned upon here?
intheinbetween
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good lord, this thread.
it seems MS's decision in sending some engineers to help Bungie to improve their XB1 version really paid off. MS should do this more often, wish they learn from this.
too many game developers/coders here, many of them appear to think it would've been so easy to make PS4's version 1080/60, pretty good stuff here
it seems MS's decision in sending some engineers to help Bungie to improve their XB1 version really paid off. MS should do this more often, wish they learn from this.
too many game developers/coders here, many of them appear to think it would've been so easy to make PS4's version 1080/60, pretty good stuff here
Eddie Griffin
Banned
Probably about COD Black Ops demanding with better textures and more shiney.
intheinbetween
Member
and.. more colorful?
BibiMaghoo
Member
No? What if that vision is to deliver a specific level in IQ? I'm not going to dig up examples, mainly because I have no idea what games you play, but you've very likely seen this your entire gaming life, and have just never actually considered it.
Windom Earle
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HighResTomato
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Oh so Bungie's VISION was a low amount of AF, [relatively] low-quality shadows, and no object-based motion blur. Got it.
You're looking at it from the wrong direction. Look, if the graphics are not up to snuff in ways that don't have anything to do with the artistic vision, and you have a platform that is capable of doing more than the other, why not take advantage of it?
Being held back and not optimizing further are two different things...
Cizeta-Moroder
Banned
All quiet on the power gap front?
Real-world performance logical nonsense, okay. So you'd rather take his non-console "real-world performance logical nonsense" instead of actual real-world performance differences between the hardware, in the manner of many games rendering at a significantly higher resolution on PS4 than XB1, higher framerates in some cases, graphical features on PS4 missing on XB1, etc.
shinobi602
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About 9000 power level.